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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 1, 2022 15:01:45 GMT -8
Please...no one respond! Don't you know, if you have a great coach and TE pretty much any 6th rd pick could win more games, throw for more yards and TDs than anyone in NFL history. Some takes just deserve a head shake and a short snicker. Straw man arguments are my favorite, as well. So, your sole arguments are: TDs and yards? Ok, let's look at TDs and yards. Most Pass Attempts in History: #1 Tom Brady
If he did not have more yards and more TDs than everyone else, I would be worried. Also second all-time in career sacks behind (ahead of?) only Ben Roethlisberger. First all-time in games started. Passing Yards/Attempt (1500+ pass attempts): 1. Otto Graham
2. Sid Luckman
3. Deshaun Watson
4. Norm Van Brocklin
5. Patrick Mahomes
6. Steve Young
7. Kurt Warner
8. Tony Romo
9. Ed Brown
10. Bart Starr
11. Russell Wilson
12. Philip Rivers
13. Aaron Rodgers
14. Johny Unitas
15. Earl Morrall
16. Kirk Cousins
17. Jameis Winston
18. Dan Fouts
19. Len Dawson
20. Roger Staubach
21. Peyton Manning
22. Dak Prescott
23. Drew Brees
24. Trent Green
25. Matt Schaub
26. Ben Roethlisberger
27. Sonny Jurgensen
28. Daunte Culpepper
29. Joe Montana
30. Frank Ryan
31. Marcus Mariota
32. Steve Grogan 33. Tom Brady Touchdown Pass Percentage (1500+ pass attempts): 1. Sid Luckman
2. Frank Ryan
3. Patrick Mahomes
4. Len Dawson
5. Aaron Rodgers
6. Daryle Lamonica
7. Sammy Baugh
8. Russell Wilson
9. Charlie Conerly
10. Bob Waterfield
11. Earl Morrall
12. Sonny Jurgensen
13. Norm Van Brocklin
14. Deshaun Watson
15. George Blanda
16. Don Meredith
17. Eddie LeBaron
18. Peyton Manning
19. Tony Romo
20. Otto Graham
21. Bob Griese
22. Johnny Unitas
23. Steve Young
24. Y.A. Tittle
25. Tom Brady
Players ahead of Tom Brady on both lists:
Len Dawson
Otto Graham
Sonny Jurgensen
Sid Luckman
Patrick Mahomes
Peyton Manning
Earl Morrall
Aaron Rodgers
Tony Romo (Undrafted)
Frank Ryan
Johnny Unitas (9th Round)
Norm Van Brocklin
Deshaun Watson
Russell Wilson
Steve Young
Tom Brady's three best years were 2007, 2010 and 2016. Matt Ryan outplayed Brady in the 2016 regular season, but Brady walked away with the ring in Super Bowl LI. Tom Brady was undoubtedly the best quarterback in the NFL regular season in 2007 and 2010. However, Brady got outplayed by Eli Manning in Super Bowl XLII and got thoroughly outplayed by Mark Sanchez and the Jets in Foxboro in the 2011 Playoffs. In Brady's other 19 years, there was always a quarterback somewhere in the NFL that put together a better season. Brady was generally great in the playoffs, but he was never all that great in the Regular Season.
I remain unconvinced.
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 1, 2022 15:46:27 GMT -8
Please...no one respond! Don't you know, if you have a great coach and TE pretty much any 6th rd pick could win more games, throw for more yards and TDs than anyone in NFL history. Some takes just deserve a head shake and a short snicker. Straw man arguments are my favorite, as well. So, your sole arguments are: TDs and yards? Ok, let's look at TDs and yards. Most Pass Attempts in History: #1 Tom Brady
If he did not have more yards and more TDs than everyone else, I would be worried. Also second all-time in career sacks behind (ahead of?) only Ben Roethlisberger. First all-time in games started. Passing Yards/Attempt (1500+ pass attempts): 1. Otto Graham
2. Sid Luckman
3. Deshaun Watson
4. Norm Van Brocklin
5. Patrick Mahomes
6. Steve Young
7. Kurt Warner
8. Tony Romo
9. Ed Brown
10. Bart Starr
11. Russell Wilson
12. Philip Rivers
13. Aaron Rodgers
14. Johny Unitas
15. Earl Morrall
16. Kirk Cousins
17. Jameis Winston
18. Dan Fouts
19. Len Dawson
20. Roger Staubach
21. Peyton Manning
22. Dak Prescott
23. Drew Brees
24. Trent Green
25. Matt Schaub
26. Ben Roethlisberger
27. Sonny Jurgensen
28. Daunte Culpepper
29. Joe Montana
30. Frank Ryan
31. Marcus Mariota
32. Steve Grogan 33. Tom Brady Touchdown Pass Percentage (1500+ pass attempts): 1. Sid Luckman
2. Frank Ryan
3. Patrick Mahomes
4. Len Dawson
5. Aaron Rodgers
6. Daryle Lamonica
7. Sammy Baugh
8. Russell Wilson
9. Charlie Conerly
10. Bob Waterfield
11. Earl Morrall
12. Sonny Jurgensen
13. Norm Van Brocklin
14. Deshaun Watson
15. George Blanda
16. Don Meredith
17. Eddie LeBaron
18. Peyton Manning
19. Tony Romo
20. Otto Graham
21. Bob Griese
22. Johnny Unitas
23. Steve Young
24. Y.A. Tittle
25. Tom Brady
Players ahead of Tom Brady on both lists:
Len Dawson
Otto Graham
Sonny Jurgensen
Sid Luckman
Patrick Mahomes
Peyton Manning
Earl Morrall
Aaron Rodgers
Tony Romo (Undrafted)
Frank Ryan
Johnny Unitas (9th Round)
Norm Van Brocklin
Deshaun Watson
Russell Wilson
Steve Young
Tom Brady's three best years were 2007, 2010 and 2016. Matt Ryan outplayed Brady in the 2016 regular season, but Brady walked away with the ring in Super Bowl LI. Tom Brady was undoubtedly the best quarterback in the NFL regular season in 2007 and 2010. However, Brady got outplayed by Eli Manning in Super Bowl XLII and got thoroughly outplayed by Mark Sanchez and the Jets in Foxboro in the 2011 Playoffs. In Brady's other 19 years, there was always a quarterback somewhere in the NFL that put together a better season. Brady was generally great in the playoffs, but he was never all that great in the Regular Season.
I remain unconvinced.
They are mine too, add blustery, excessive blathering leading to intentional obfuscation, and constant attempts at gaslighting... you're always the "winner" on this board. I mentioned some facts, no argument. Plain and simple TB12 is the Greatest QB EVER in terms of achieving the ultimate NFL goal... championships. Ask any NFL player, that's what they care about after getting paid. Saying any other QB could equal his success if dropped into his situation is complete fabrication. He did it. He did it with rosters of key players that changed every season. There is no way to prove anyone could equal his work. PERIOD... it'd be fantasy blather. PS- your "argument" is really based on two of the most meaningless QB stats of all time? REALLY? LOL Remain unconvinced. No one here was trying to change your mind. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 1, 2022 16:40:03 GMT -8
Even Robb Thomas hates this thread.
I hate all GOAT arguments. It's all a matter of opinion. Different eras and a different game completely over the years. QB's can barely be breathed on and DB's can barely put their hands on receivers anymore. QB's of today wouldn't have been able to play for 20+ years in the 60's through the 80's when DL's could knock their heads off. Comparing Sid Luckman to Tom Brady is stupid. It's just like the basketball talking heads that think it has to either be Jordan or Lebron and leaving out numerous other candidates.
But Brady is the Winningest QB of all time....that is for sure.
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Post by irimi on Feb 1, 2022 20:39:40 GMT -8
Please...no one respond! Don't you know, if you have a great coach and TE pretty much any 6th rd pick could win more games, throw for more yards and TDs than anyone in NFL history. Some takes just deserve a head shake and a short snicker. Straw man arguments are my favorite, as well. So, your sole arguments are: TDs and yards? Ok, let's look at TDs and yards. Most Pass Attempts in History: #1 Tom Brady
If he did not have more yards and more TDs than everyone else, I would be worried. Also second all-time in career sacks behind (ahead of?) only Ben Roethlisberger. First all-time in games started. Passing Yards/Attempt (1500+ pass attempts): 1. Otto Graham
2. Sid Luckman
3. Deshaun Watson
4. Norm Van Brocklin
5. Patrick Mahomes
6. Steve Young
7. Kurt Warner
8. Tony Romo
9. Ed Brown
10. Bart Starr
11. Russell Wilson
12. Philip Rivers
13. Aaron Rodgers
14. Johny Unitas
15. Earl Morrall
16. Kirk Cousins
17. Jameis Winston
18. Dan Fouts
19. Len Dawson
20. Roger Staubach
21. Peyton Manning
22. Dak Prescott
23. Drew Brees
24. Trent Green
25. Matt Schaub
26. Ben Roethlisberger
27. Sonny Jurgensen
28. Daunte Culpepper
29. Joe Montana
30. Frank Ryan
31. Marcus Mariota
32. Steve Grogan 33. Tom Brady Touchdown Pass Percentage (1500+ pass attempts): 1. Sid Luckman
2. Frank Ryan
3. Patrick Mahomes
4. Len Dawson
5. Aaron Rodgers
6. Daryle Lamonica
7. Sammy Baugh
8. Russell Wilson
9. Charlie Conerly
10. Bob Waterfield
11. Earl Morrall
12. Sonny Jurgensen
13. Norm Van Brocklin
14. Deshaun Watson
15. George Blanda
16. Don Meredith
17. Eddie LeBaron
18. Peyton Manning
19. Tony Romo
20. Otto Graham
21. Bob Griese
22. Johnny Unitas
23. Steve Young
24. Y.A. Tittle
25. Tom Brady
Players ahead of Tom Brady on both lists:
Len Dawson
Otto Graham
Sonny Jurgensen
Sid Luckman
Patrick Mahomes
Peyton Manning
Earl Morrall
Aaron Rodgers
Tony Romo (Undrafted)
Frank Ryan
Johnny Unitas (9th Round)
Norm Van Brocklin
Deshaun Watson
Russell Wilson
Steve Young
Tom Brady's three best years were 2007, 2010 and 2016. Matt Ryan outplayed Brady in the 2016 regular season, but Brady walked away with the ring in Super Bowl LI. Tom Brady was undoubtedly the best quarterback in the NFL regular season in 2007 and 2010. However, Brady got outplayed by Eli Manning in Super Bowl XLII and got thoroughly outplayed by Mark Sanchez and the Jets in Foxboro in the 2011 Playoffs. In Brady's other 19 years, there was always a quarterback somewhere in the NFL that put together a better season. Brady was generally great in the playoffs, but he was never all that great in the Regular Season.
I remain unconvinced.
Silly stats. Dan Marino doesn’t show up on either list, but I would have him QB my team ahead of probably most of the guys on either of those lists. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 2, 2022 12:38:03 GMT -8
Straw man arguments are my favorite, as well. So, your sole arguments are: TDs and yards? Ok, let's look at TDs and yards. Most Pass Attempts in History: #1 Tom Brady
If he did not have more yards and more TDs than everyone else, I would be worried. Also second all-time in career sacks behind (ahead of?) only Ben Roethlisberger. First all-time in games started. Passing Yards/Attempt (1500+ pass attempts): 1. Otto Graham
2. Sid Luckman
3. Deshaun Watson
4. Norm Van Brocklin
5. Patrick Mahomes
6. Steve Young
7. Kurt Warner
8. Tony Romo
9. Ed Brown
10. Bart Starr
11. Russell Wilson
12. Philip Rivers
13. Aaron Rodgers
14. Johny Unitas
15. Earl Morrall
16. Kirk Cousins
17. Jameis Winston
18. Dan Fouts
19. Len Dawson
20. Roger Staubach
21. Peyton Manning
22. Dak Prescott
23. Drew Brees
24. Trent Green
25. Matt Schaub
26. Ben Roethlisberger
27. Sonny Jurgensen
28. Daunte Culpepper
29. Joe Montana
30. Frank Ryan
31. Marcus Mariota
32. Steve Grogan 33. Tom Brady Touchdown Pass Percentage (1500+ pass attempts): 1. Sid Luckman
2. Frank Ryan
3. Patrick Mahomes
4. Len Dawson
5. Aaron Rodgers
6. Daryle Lamonica
7. Sammy Baugh
8. Russell Wilson
9. Charlie Conerly
10. Bob Waterfield
11. Earl Morrall
12. Sonny Jurgensen
13. Norm Van Brocklin
14. Deshaun Watson
15. George Blanda
16. Don Meredith
17. Eddie LeBaron
18. Peyton Manning
19. Tony Romo
20. Otto Graham
21. Bob Griese
22. Johnny Unitas
23. Steve Young
24. Y.A. Tittle
25. Tom Brady
Players ahead of Tom Brady on both lists:
Len Dawson
Otto Graham
Sonny Jurgensen
Sid Luckman
Patrick Mahomes
Peyton Manning
Earl Morrall
Aaron Rodgers
Tony Romo (Undrafted)
Frank Ryan
Johnny Unitas (9th Round)
Norm Van Brocklin
Deshaun Watson
Russell Wilson
Steve Young
Tom Brady's three best years were 2007, 2010 and 2016. Matt Ryan outplayed Brady in the 2016 regular season, but Brady walked away with the ring in Super Bowl LI. Tom Brady was undoubtedly the best quarterback in the NFL regular season in 2007 and 2010. However, Brady got outplayed by Eli Manning in Super Bowl XLII and got thoroughly outplayed by Mark Sanchez and the Jets in Foxboro in the 2011 Playoffs. In Brady's other 19 years, there was always a quarterback somewhere in the NFL that put together a better season. Brady was generally great in the playoffs, but he was never all that great in the Regular Season.
I remain unconvinced.
They are mine too, add blustery, excessive blathering leading to intentional obfuscation, and constant attempts at gaslighting... you're always the "winner" on this board. I mentioned some facts, no argument. Plain and simple TB12 is the Greatest QB EVER in terms of achieving the ultimate NFL goal... championships. Ask any NFL player, that's what they care about after getting paid. Saying any other QB could equal his success if dropped into his situation is complete fabrication. He did it. He did it with rosters of key players that changed every season. There is no way to prove anyone could equal his work. PERIOD... it'd be fantasy blather. PS- your "argument" is really based on two of the most meaningless QB stats of all time? REALLY? LOL Remain unconvinced. No one here was trying to change your mind. You have moved the goalposts. You said that yards and touchdowns are why Brady is the best, so I provided you with a complete statistical analysis. You have given up that stupid argument and moved on to a second stupid argument. Championship make one a better quarterback? So, Brad Johnson is better than Jim Kelly or Dan Marino? Go on. I would love to hear more! |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 2, 2022 12:59:37 GMT -8
Even Robb Thomas hates this thread. I hate all GOAT arguments. It's all a matter of opinion. Different eras and a different game completely over the years. QB's can barely be breathed on and DB's can barely put their hands on receivers anymore. QB's of today wouldn't have been able to play for 20+ years in the 60's through the 80's when DL's could knock their heads off. Comparing Sid Luckman to Tom Brady is stupid. It's just like the basketball talking heads that think it has to either be Jordan or Lebron and leaving out numerous other candidates. But Brady is the Winningest QB of all time....that is for sure. Winningest has at least two definitions. The first is simply most wins. Yes, Brady has the most wins in the most starts. He also is tied for the 24th-most losses. The second definition is best winning percentage, where Brady is 26th. Ed Rubbert was 3-0 as a starter. Rick Neuheisel finished undefeated as a starter in the NFL as did Drew Hensen and Jim Drunkenmiller, who I believe has relatives in the Mid-Valley. Brett Rypien is also undefeated as a starter, so far. Earl Morrall has the best winning percentage among players with more than three starts, .875. Patrick Mahomes has a .784 winning percentage in 74 starts. Tom Brady also has the most playoff wins among quarterbacks but played 20 more games than Peyton Manning, who sits in second all-time. He is second all-time in losses to Peyton Manning. Tom Brady's .745 winning percentage is 11th all-time. Joe Burrow, who is 3-0 currently leads the list. Earl Morrall and Frank Reich finished their careers undefeated in the playoffs. Trent Dilfer has the best winning percentage among quarterback with more than four games, at .833. Jeff Hostetler, Jim Plunkett and Johnny Unitas are all tied at .800, followed by Joe Theismann at .750. Then Brady. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 2, 2022 13:22:18 GMT -8
Even Robb Thomas hates this thread. I hate all GOAT arguments. It's all a matter of opinion. Different eras and a different game completely over the years. QB's can barely be breathed on and DB's can barely put their hands on receivers anymore. QB's of today wouldn't have been able to play for 20+ years in the 60's through the 80's when DL's could knock their heads off. Comparing Sid Luckman to Tom Brady is stupid. It's just like the basketball talking heads that think it has to either be Jordan or Lebron and leaving out numerous other candidates. But Brady is the Winningest QB of all time....that is for sure. Winningest has at least two definitions. The first is simply most wins. Yes, Brady has the most wins in the most starts. He also is tied for the 24th-most losses. The second definition is best winning percentage, where Brady is 26th. Ed Rubbert was 3-0 as a starter. Rick Neuheisel finished undefeated as a starter in the NFL as did Drew Hensen and Jim Drunkenmiller, who I believe has relatives in the Mid-Valley. Brett Rypien is also undefeated as a starter, so far. Earl Morrall has the best winning percentage among players with more than three starts, .875. Patrick Mahomes has a .784 winning percentage in 74 starts. Tom Brady also has the most playoff wins among quarterbacks but played 20 more games than Peyton Manning, who sits in second all-time. He is second all-time in losses to Peyton Manning. Tom Brady's .745 winning percentage is 11th all-time. Joe Burrow, who is 3-0 currently leads the list. Earl Morrall and Frank Reich finished their careers undefeated in the playoffs. Trent Dilfer has the best winning percentage among quarterback with more than four games, at .833. Jeff Hostetler, Jim Plunkett and Johnny Unitas are all tied at .800, followed by Joe Theismann at .750. Then Brady. Most superbowl wins as a QB..... I don't care about percentages or anything else. That was what i was referring to as "winningest" |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 2, 2022 14:02:51 GMT -8
Straw man arguments are my favorite, as well. So, your sole arguments are: TDs and yards? Ok, let's look at TDs and yards. Most Pass Attempts in History: #1 Tom Brady
If he did not have more yards and more TDs than everyone else, I would be worried. Also second all-time in career sacks behind (ahead of?) only Ben Roethlisberger. First all-time in games started. Passing Yards/Attempt (1500+ pass attempts): 1. Otto Graham
2. Sid Luckman
3. Deshaun Watson
4. Norm Van Brocklin
5. Patrick Mahomes
6. Steve Young
7. Kurt Warner
8. Tony Romo
9. Ed Brown
10. Bart Starr
11. Russell Wilson
12. Philip Rivers
13. Aaron Rodgers
14. Johny Unitas
15. Earl Morrall
16. Kirk Cousins
17. Jameis Winston
18. Dan Fouts
19. Len Dawson
20. Roger Staubach
21. Peyton Manning
22. Dak Prescott
23. Drew Brees
24. Trent Green
25. Matt Schaub
26. Ben Roethlisberger
27. Sonny Jurgensen
28. Daunte Culpepper
29. Joe Montana
30. Frank Ryan
31. Marcus Mariota
32. Steve Grogan 33. Tom Brady Touchdown Pass Percentage (1500+ pass attempts): 1. Sid Luckman
2. Frank Ryan
3. Patrick Mahomes
4. Len Dawson
5. Aaron Rodgers
6. Daryle Lamonica
7. Sammy Baugh
8. Russell Wilson
9. Charlie Conerly
10. Bob Waterfield
11. Earl Morrall
12. Sonny Jurgensen
13. Norm Van Brocklin
14. Deshaun Watson
15. George Blanda
16. Don Meredith
17. Eddie LeBaron
18. Peyton Manning
19. Tony Romo
20. Otto Graham
21. Bob Griese
22. Johnny Unitas
23. Steve Young
24. Y.A. Tittle
25. Tom Brady
Players ahead of Tom Brady on both lists:
Len Dawson
Otto Graham
Sonny Jurgensen
Sid Luckman
Patrick Mahomes
Peyton Manning
Earl Morrall
Aaron Rodgers
Tony Romo (Undrafted)
Frank Ryan
Johnny Unitas (9th Round)
Norm Van Brocklin
Deshaun Watson
Russell Wilson
Steve Young
Tom Brady's three best years were 2007, 2010 and 2016. Matt Ryan outplayed Brady in the 2016 regular season, but Brady walked away with the ring in Super Bowl LI. Tom Brady was undoubtedly the best quarterback in the NFL regular season in 2007 and 2010. However, Brady got outplayed by Eli Manning in Super Bowl XLII and got thoroughly outplayed by Mark Sanchez and the Jets in Foxboro in the 2011 Playoffs. In Brady's other 19 years, there was always a quarterback somewhere in the NFL that put together a better season. Brady was generally great in the playoffs, but he was never all that great in the Regular Season.
I remain unconvinced.
Silly stats. Dan Marino doesn’t show up on either list, but I would have him QB my team ahead of probably most of the guys on either of those lists. I agree. Our boy, Baseba11, selected them, so I thought that I would put them up there to illustrate the silliness of the stats that he selected. Baseba11 is now onto making his Brad Johnson is one of the best quarterbacks ever case. If you move on to a better yardage analytic--net yards/attempt--Marino passes Brady. Brady jumps up from 33rd to 15th, and Marino jumps to 10th or 11th in Steve Young territory. The other thing with Dan Marino is that he did not benefit from all of pro-offensive changes that occurred throughout his career and continuing into Brady's career. He was hurt all of his analytics fell off of a cliff after his 1995 hip injury and 1996 ankle injuries (those injuries paling in comparison to his 1993 ruptured Achilles' tendon injury). If you remove 1997-1999, Marino moves up to 33rd in yards/attempt, passing Brady and 31st in yards/attempt, if you take away everything after the 1993 ruptured Achilles' tendon injury. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 2, 2022 14:28:22 GMT -8
Winningest has at least two definitions. The first is simply most wins. Yes, Brady has the most wins in the most starts. He also is tied for the 24th-most losses. The second definition is best winning percentage, where Brady is 26th. Ed Rubbert was 3-0 as a starter. Rick Neuheisel finished undefeated as a starter in the NFL as did Drew Hensen and Jim Drunkenmiller, who I believe has relatives in the Mid-Valley. Brett Rypien is also undefeated as a starter, so far. Earl Morrall has the best winning percentage among players with more than three starts, .875. Patrick Mahomes has a .784 winning percentage in 74 starts. Tom Brady also has the most playoff wins among quarterbacks but played 20 more games than Peyton Manning, who sits in second all-time. He is second all-time in losses to Peyton Manning. Tom Brady's .745 winning percentage is 11th all-time. Joe Burrow, who is 3-0 currently leads the list. Earl Morrall and Frank Reich finished their careers undefeated in the playoffs. Trent Dilfer has the best winning percentage among quarterback with more than four games, at .833. Jeff Hostetler, Jim Plunkett and Johnny Unitas are all tied at .800, followed by Joe Theismann at .750. Then Brady. Most superbowl wins as a QB..... I don't care about percentages or anything else. That was what i was referring to as "winningest" You are correct, sir. Tom Brady also is in a three-way tie for second (behind Jim Kelly) for most Super Bowl losses with John Elway and Fran Tarkenton. Elway, Kelly and Tarkenton each lost 3-4 Super Bowls over a three-year period, as opposed to Brady, who dropped his three losses over a decade. |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 2, 2022 14:32:31 GMT -8
They are mine too, add blustery, excessive blathering leading to intentional obfuscation, and constant attempts at gaslighting... you're always the "winner" on this board. I mentioned some facts, no argument. Plain and simple TB12 is the Greatest QB EVER in terms of achieving the ultimate NFL goal... championships. Ask any NFL player, that's what they care about after getting paid. Saying any other QB could equal his success if dropped into his situation is complete fabrication. He did it. He did it with rosters of key players that changed every season. There is no way to prove anyone could equal his work. PERIOD... it'd be fantasy blather. PS- your "argument" is really based on two of the most meaningless QB stats of all time? REALLY? LOL Remain unconvinced. No one here was trying to change your mind. You have moved the goalposts. You said that yards and touchdowns are why Brady is the best, so I provided you with a complete statistical analysis. You have given up that stupid argument and moved on to a second stupid argument. Championship make one a better quarterback? So, Brad Johnson is better than Jim Kelly or Dan Marino? Go on. I would love to hear more! You continue your moronic posts and try to confuse the issue. Again your "complete statistical analysis" are TWO stats? Just two? And, as mentioned, very meaningless! As always you attempt to find only info that supports some ludicrous bias of yours. I mentioned TDs and yds. I never stated those are the only bench marks that qualify TB12 as the best. The accumulation of both stats and winning pretty much seals the deal. You've got far far too much time on your hands. Get a hobby. Ok, another hobby! Can't quite figure your purpose in these argumentative, childlike posts. Certain topics just flip your switch and off you go on some message board tantrum. You seem to want to "win" the the truly unwinnable opinion based trivia. Other topics you're a solid poster. Is it like a self esteem thing? You have a need to have people agree or think as you do? Or, is it a trolling gambit? No need to reply. Thread is getting long. As my initial post suggested it may! |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 2, 2022 14:36:21 GMT -8
Most superbowl wins as a QB..... I don't care about percentages or anything else. That was what i was referring to as "winningest" You are correct, sir. Tom Brady also is in a three-way tie for second (behind Jim Kelly) for most Super Bowl losses with John Elway and Fran Tarkenton. Elway, Kelly and Tarkenton each lost 3-4 Super Bowls over a three-year period, as opposed to Brady, who dropped his three losses over a decade. I would like to know which one played in 4 super bowls in 3 years. now, that is impressive..... |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 2, 2022 14:40:24 GMT -8
You are correct, sir. Tom Brady also is in a three-way tie for second (behind Jim Kelly) for most Super Bowl losses with John Elway and Fran Tarkenton. Elway, Kelly and Tarkenton each lost 3-4 Super Bowls over a three-year period, as opposed to Brady, who dropped his three losses over a decade. I would like to know which one played in 4 super bowls in 3 years. now, that is impressive..... Don't confuse reality with "creative bias". He's on a roll... and certainly not butter! |
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Post by astro4519 on Feb 2, 2022 21:15:52 GMT -8
Didn't Jim Kelly lose 4 Super bowls in 3 years and 3 days?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 3, 2022 12:49:47 GMT -8
You are correct, sir. Tom Brady also is in a three-way tie for second (behind Jim Kelly) for most Super Bowl losses with John Elway and Fran Tarkenton. Elway, Kelly and Tarkenton each lost 3-4 Super Bowls over a three-year period, as opposed to Brady, who dropped his three losses over a decade. I would like to know which one played in 4 super bowls in 3 years. now, that is impressive..... Years, not seasons. Intentionally stated to differentiate the two. Elway lost Super Bowls XXI, XXII and XXIV in a span of three years and three days. Kelly lost Super Bowls XXV, XXVI, XXVII and XXVIII in a span of three years and three days. Fran Tarkenton lost Super Bowls VIII, IX and XI over a period of four days short of three years. Super Bowl XI was the earliest Super Bowl ever played. The NFL moved the season up a week, so that the Divisional Playoffs would not be held on Christmas Day, like they had been in 1971. Due to the expansion to 28 teams and the desire to avoid holding the playoffs on Christmas Day, the regular season was expanded to 16 games two years later. Brady lost Super Bowls XLII, XLVI and LII in a span of 10 years and one day. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 3, 2022 13:10:02 GMT -8
You have moved the goalposts. You said that yards and touchdowns are why Brady is the best, so I provided you with a complete statistical analysis. You have given up that stupid argument and moved on to a second stupid argument. Championship make one a better quarterback? So, Brad Johnson is better than Jim Kelly or Dan Marino? Go on. I would love to hear more! You continue your moronic posts and try to confuse the issue. Again your "complete statistical analysis" are TWO stats? Just two? And, as mentioned, very meaningless! As always you attempt to find only info that supports some ludicrous bias of yours. I mentioned TDs and yds. I never stated those are the only bench marks that qualify TB12 as the best. The accumulation of both stats and winning pretty much seals the deal. You've got far far too much time on your hands. Get a hobby. Ok, another hobby! Can't quite figure your purpose in these argumentative, childlike posts. Certain topics just flip your switch and off you go on some message board tantrum. You seem to want to "win" the the truly unwinnable opinion based trivia. Other topics you're a solid poster. Is it like a self esteem thing? You have a need to have people agree or think as you do? Or, is it a trolling gambit? No need to reply. Thread is getting long. As my initial post suggested it may! You start of with an ad hominem attack, which is always a sure sign that what follows will be top-notch stuff. Then another ad hominem attack for good measure. Your original post was that touchdowns and yards made Brady the best. I responded. You abandoned your position. You then moved on to championships. I responded. You abandoned your position. You are now using some sort of nebulous stats and winning means that Brady is the best, which, if that is what you hang your hat on, is great. I disagree. Then two more ad hominem attacks to add the cherry on top at the end. And my posts are childlike? Lol. Oh man. Hey, Pot, this is the Kettle. I have got some news for you. You're black! I post to keep up the chatter, to see if anyone has anything interesting to say. I like hearing tales of yore and engaging in meaningful discussions, especially of stats and metrics. But I get nebulous "stats and winning" metrics. I enjoy hearing about nebulous "eye test"-esque gobbledygook, if only because they give me a chuckle. But comparing players on "wins" in a team sport is meaningless nonsense, especially when the one player being compared has played more often than everyone else. Teams win or lose because of the 45 players, who dress for games, not because of one quarterback. Matt Cassel came in in 2008 and went 11-5 for New England. Brady returned in 2009, and New England went 10-6. Brady was suspended for four games to start 2016, because of Deflategate. Jimmy Garofalo came in and went 3-1. I will stick by my post. Brady had two or three great seasons, where you could say, "Dude, that guy's the best in the NFL." Otherwise, he was usually one of a handful of above average quarterbacks. Best ever? No. Best of his time? Not really. 22 seasons, though, of above average football. That is impressive. That is everyone's best point, at least that I have heard so far. |
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