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Post by jdogge on Jan 23, 2022 21:38:49 GMT -8
As far as I can see you’re the only one complaining. [br I’ll tell my friend in a wheelchair that you’re good with that saying. Jerkoff I have no problem with it. |
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Post by sparty on Jan 23, 2022 22:16:53 GMT -8
UW plays tough defense and has stayed with other teams, but let's be honest: The Beavers have two McDonald's All Americans and three other five star recruits. The lack of offense points directly at SR and his philosophy. These are not athletes that are suddenly unskilled on the offensive end. We were among the best offensive teams in the Pac-12 last year (No. 3 in PPG, No. 2 in FG%, No. 1 in 3FG%, and No. 2 in APG). I think it's just as much about our personnel as it is about Rueck's philosophy. Rueck landed one impactful guard in the 2018, 2019, and 2020 classes combined (Goforth) and she's no longer with the program. That was a major problem and has resulted in OSU relying on entirely on freshman and mid-major transfers on the perimeter which has translated to our offense taking a major step back from the 20-21 season (losing the player who currently ranks No. 4 in FG% hasn't helped either). While Adams has done a solid job of stepping in and running the show, she's not on the level of Wiese, Pivec, Slocum, or Goodman. The last time OSU wasn't in the top-two in the PAC-12 in FG% was 16-17, and we're currently No. 7. This team hasn't been efficient scoring the basketball in the half court like OSU fans have been accustomed to seeing over the past few seasons. So you pointed out the what but no one will go near the why? We know Goforth left but no one answers the "why" a course correction was not made. With todays transfer portal fans better get use to the deck of cards getting reshuffled each year. Don't get too attached to players because there will be disappointment. I think that will be a new normal for every team including the current roster, the portal shuffle. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 23, 2022 22:17:45 GMT -8
UW plays tough defense and has stayed with other teams, but let's be honest: The Beavers have two McDonald's All Americans and three other five star recruits. The lack of offense points directly at SR and his philosophy. These are not athletes that are suddenly unskilled on the offensive end. Leaving out the mess that was the 2020-2021 season for all college basketball, playing in line with Rueck's philosophy, over the 3 previous years, the Beavs were 8th, 10th, and 12th in the nation in field goal percentage, and 1st, 3rd, and 14th in 3 point field goal percentage. Seems to me the philosophy is quite capable of generating sufficient points. When you combine it with the way the philosophy works on the defensive end (never worse than 19th in the nation in opponents field goal percentage over the previous 7 seasons, with 4 of those in the top 10), the overall result has been very, very good. Our national rank in scoring margin the 6 previous seasons was 11th, 12th, 31st, 24th, 15th, and 22nd. Most schools would be just fine with that philosophy. I think we need to look at the overall college experience of the players we have on the floor this year: Kennedy had, I think, just 12 college games under her belt prior to this year, and part of one conference game. Jelena missed all of her first year, and saw limited playing time in last year's 20 game season. I think we'd all agree she was a bit of a project. Talia was able to play in about 9 or 10 games last year. Greta and AJ are true freshmen. We just don't have an experienced upperclassman who can put the team on her back scoring wise like we have in the past. Taya's stepping up this year, but she was always a 5 or 6 shots a game player. Now she's taking 8, but she's never going to take 15. The offense isn't going to scare anyone this year; it's a work in progress. I don't see that as the philosophy's fault, however. Kennedy took, I believe, 16 shots today, and they were all good looks. Kennedy the senior might make 9 or 10 of them. Kennedy playing in her 25th or 26th college game made 6. But it will come. Rejoice in the defense, which is very good. In the 4 games we lost, our opponents scored 61, 64, 56, and 55. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 23, 2022 22:20:40 GMT -8
It seems odd to me. The Beav's lost a close game to a top-10 team and then won two games, including beating a ranked team, but you'd think they were on a losing streak from the comments here. OSU is 7th in defending points/scoring attempt, 1st in defending rebounding rate, 3rd in blocking rate, and 9th in fouling rate. This is a very good defending team. To be wailing about how they aren't kicking ass on offense seems....absurd. And then to insist that they won't get any better on offense? After the first 10-12 games the defense is usually going to be whatever it is. But the offense takes swings all season long and there is no reason to assume that what we saw in this game is what it will be for the rest of the season. Another odd thing. Talia drives for the layup and see's 5 defenders waiting for her and thinks "huh, bet there's someone open at the three behind me". Stops and passes to the person open behind her for the open three. Tea drives for the layup and see's 5 defenders waiting for her and thinks "huh, they think they can stop ME" and keeps going and ends up tossing the ball in the air with no hope for a basket. Weird. I think the only real advantage that Tea has over Talia is that when a simple pass will to the job she makes the simple pass while Talia tends to try for snazzy passes when it's not needed. It's interesting that Brown took as many shots as the next two highest combined. Guess Rueck figures that Jones is gone for a while and he needs find someone else to take up that scoring slack. Lets hope that Brown gets her mid range shot down. Everyone gets to have their say, that's for sure. Sometimes these posts after a closer-than-expected win are kind of a Rorschach test, more interesting for what they reveal about the poster than the game itself. One thing for sure, whether you win by 60 or by 1 in triple OT, it's still only one W. Dominating blowout W's don't count any more in the standings than cliffhangers against supposedly "inferior" opposition. Next up (Covid-willing), USC and UCLA at home. I like our chances. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 23, 2022 22:30:58 GMT -8
Re the 'portal shuffle':
I could certainly be wrong, but I don't think it's going to be anywhere near what it was last year, when ridiculous numbers of games were canceled, no fans at the ones that were played, and the students couldn't even go to class. I think there were a vast number of kids who just got down on things, and the grass was going to be greener elsewhere.
At the top programs (and OSU is a top program), the ones who will leave are the ones who realize significant minutes are not going to be in the cards for them where they are. The 8 or 9 in the rotation will tend to stay - they're either already a starter or can see that happening in the future.
We'll see.
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Post by grayman on Jan 23, 2022 22:57:49 GMT -8
So I guess I should be a little more specific when I talk about SR's offensive philosophy. I posted months ago that I believe women's basketball has gone through a national boom of sorts in recent years (after OSU made the Final Four) and many programs have used dynamic, uptempo offensives to great success. But I'm not suggesting that Rueck adopt some run and gun type of style. I do think he needs to do his best to recruit top flight true point guards and then allow them to push the pace within reason. And have patience with those players when they make a bad decision or two. IMO his tendency has been to find a natural 2 guard to run his offense. The only real exceptions to this has been Destiny Slocum and Aleah Goodman (although one could argue that Goodman's playing style early in her career was more suited to a 2). I believe TVO really has more of a 2-guard skill set than a point guard. It's great that he brought in Adams and has realized that she is the best option at the point, but she is one and done. I guess we'll see. More speed and quickness in the backcourt will enable the Beavers to open up more on offense by breaking down defensive pressure, penetrating, etc. instead of getting trapped or having the ball stripped in the open court.
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Post by jimbob on Jan 23, 2022 23:38:40 GMT -8
Believeinthebeavs commented earlier on Talia: "I like Talia's game, she is a real ball hawk. Her ability to rebound reminds me of Mik. She gets herself to where the ball is going to be and then it's strong enough to not get pushed off her spot. Talia is able to find a way to put points on the board, she has a way of getting the ball to the player in position to score." I have noticed that also and another thing I've noticed that she dosen't really get credit for is that she is a pretty darn good defender....her quick hands and good anticipation has lead to a number of steals and pass disruptions, and when she does get beat 1 on 1 she often is able to recover and still disrupt the opponent's shot from behind.
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Post by lotrader on Jan 24, 2022 6:55:21 GMT -8
We may not have lit it up offensively, but we got plenty of open looks vs UW. We just didn't convert. Except for Taya in 2019, that was the first time any OSU player shot in that gym. From personal experience, first time in a new gym, it is not always easy to convert. Familiarity with a gym helps.
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Post by sparty on Jan 24, 2022 6:57:26 GMT -8
So I guess I should be a little more specific when I talk about SR's offensive philosophy. I posted months ago that I believe women's basketball has gone through a national boom of sorts in recent years (after OSU made the Final Four) and many programs have used dynamic, uptempo offensives to great success. But I'm not suggesting that Rueck adopt some run and gun type of style. I do think he needs to do his best to recruit top flight true point guards and then allow them to push the pace within reason. And have patience with those players when they make a bad decision or two. IMO his tendency has been to find a natural 2 guard to run his offense. The only real exceptions to this has been Destiny Slocum and Aleah Goodman (although one could argue that Goodman's playing style early in her career was more suited to a 2). I believe TVO really has more of a 2-guard skill set than a point guard. It's great that he brought in Adams and has realized that she is the best option at the point, but she is one and done. I guess we'll see. More speed and quickness in the backcourt will enable the Beavers to open up more on offense by breaking down defensive pressure, penetrating, etc. instead of getting trapped or having the ball stripped in the open court. Kind of like in football where the wishbone went out of style? Some guards like that dynamic uptempo style so you will never get some of those types to take a sniff. I would not be surprised it is used against Scott in recruiting. |
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Post by wbosh15 on Jan 24, 2022 8:43:46 GMT -8
Many of the factors contributing to our scoring being down have been hit on. Taylor being out, young guards, etc. One big piece is simply the 3 point shooting. We are shooting 5% worse as a team on the year. Last years team shot almost 40% at 39.4 on the year. This years team is hovering around 35%. It could be a simple as Talia getting hot, and Codding improving on her very cold start. Also, I think Scott needs to find ways to get Greta some early shots and confidence. She's such a great shooter, but I think things have still been moving a bit too fast for her early in the conference season. If she can get her groove and rhythm that would also help kickstart the offense.
As well as we are defending, the offense just needs to be ok for us to win games. We can't have the 5+ minute scoring droughts like we did multiple times on Sunday. Also, credit to UW. They played very good position D, and 6'9 inside erased several shots and changed a few more when the guards did get into the paint.
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Post by rmancarl on Jan 24, 2022 11:48:46 GMT -8
It's been pointed out on this board, but the SR style of offensive hasn't proven to be a problem in recent years, including 3rd in PPG last season. The struggles this year have been shooting percentages....Talia is way down, Ellie is down. Do you think the Beavs would have brought in Emily if they knew she was going to shoot .262 from the field and .179 from 3? There seems to be a few players in a slump. Maybe that is timing on the floor and probably mostly a problem with getting used to playing with each other. If any of those numbers improve from the first half of the season, and they certainly can, this team could still show strong improvement. There has been a lot of new parts and players playing new roles.
Could the SR style of offense hurt recruiting? Sure, but there has been little evidence of that being true. When you look at who has visited campus the last few years and the class the Beavs have landed in 2021 and 2022, it's a tough argument to say recruiting is hurting. The number 1 High School player and number 3 player of the 2024 class have already been on campus.
If you get specific with point guards, you would still have a tough time arguing that they wouldn't want to play in SR's system. Destiny chose to come here when leaving Maryland. Talia was told she would be a PG, and she decided to come here. The Beavs have had some good PG's go through this system.
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Post by shelby on Jan 24, 2022 12:01:14 GMT -8
I think a big opportunity we missed yesterday was in transition offense . Mulkey was always the slowest player down the floor , and we definitely had the opportunity for many 5 on 4 situations , as well as a better match up on lay ins . I only saw it play out once - and, then we went away from it ! It is also obvious that Mulkey is playing with a minor leg issue - and combined with her 'conditioning', this was affecting her play . Somewhat surprised with her short time at Oklahoma and then time at Rice , that she does not appear to be very fluid on her moves around the hoop. She was pretty good on the short shots when facing the basket !
Brown did a great job against her as did Jelena and Taya !
Go Beavers
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Post by greybeav on Jan 25, 2022 8:16:36 GMT -8
This article really wants you to sign in, subscribe to Seattle Times, etc. but if you refuse enough times and keep going back, it will let you read it: www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-basketball/it-didnt-come-vs-oregon-state-but-breakthrough-win-coming-soon-for-uw-husky-women/Here is a highlight: Lest you think this is just wishful thinking by the Huskies, you would be wise to listen to Oregon State coach Scott Rueck. He has built a powerhouse in Corvallis, one that has made the NCAA tournament seven straight times, including a Final Four appearance in 2016. I found Rueck after the game to get his impressions of the new-look Huskies, who frustrated his Beavers for much of the second half. “Well, I’m not surprised,’’ he said. “I mean, you hire a veteran coach that’s used to winning; she gets to have two players that know her system very well. And they’re both very good players to go along with really nice pieces that they have here. And she puts them in a position to be successful all game long. I can’t say I’m surprised that they’re competing, and that they’re close, and people are having to really work to beat them.”  |
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