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Post by willtalk on Jan 18, 2022 8:59:29 GMT -8
According to Rueck Jelena's triple was a called play. Something tells me we may see it again. It was definitely a called play. I’m sure Scott said something to the effect of, “Jelena, we see you confidently knocking down 3’s in practice. We need you to knock one down right here.” Check out Greta rotating into solid rebounding position. I am sure a lot has to do with confidence that will not get pulled out for missing a shot. She seems to play better when she is not afraid of the3 hook . When both Taylor and Brown are available she is tentative. in all areas of her game knowing that one mistake and she is back on the bench. |
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Post by greybeav on Jan 18, 2022 13:34:14 GMT -8
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 18, 2022 13:54:02 GMT -8
Some of the +/- for OSU: - Jelena; +7 - Kennedy: -9 - Tea: +11 - Greta: +3 - Talia: +3 Everyone else was within +/-2. I always take +/- with a grain of salt, but this is the second game that Kennedy had the largest minus on the team. The most worthless stat in basketball. Makes it seem as if what one player does on the court is the whole reason the other team has success or doesn’t. Doesn’t account for mistakes of the other 4 players. Disagree strongly that +/- point differential is a "worthless" stat. Plus/minus is useful in that it reflects a lot of non-stat efforts that often go untracked, such as getting back on defense, playing quality position-based defense, making the extra pass to a more open teammate, tipping a ball to a teammate for a rebound, etc. How one's team performs with a player on the court with respect to the scoreboard was something I always wanted to see as a coach. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 18, 2022 14:00:01 GMT -8
The most worthless stat in basketball. Makes it seem as if what one player does on the court is the whole reason the other team has success or doesn’t. Doesn’t account for mistakes of the other 4 players. Disagree strongly that +/- point differential is a "worthless" stat. Plus/minus is useful in that it reflects a lot of non-stat efforts that often go untracked, such as getting back on defense, playing quality position-based defense, making the extra pass to a more open teammate, tipping a ball to a teammate for a rebound, etc. How one's team performs with a player on the court with respect to the scoreboard was something I always wanted to see as a coach. But it's totally reliant on the other 4 players on the court with you. You can have an awful +/- because one of the other players is having a bad game. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 18, 2022 14:20:07 GMT -8
Some of the +/- for OSU: - Jelena; +7 - Kennedy: -9 - Tea: +11 - Greta: +3 - Talia: +3 Everyone else was within +/-2. I always take +/- with a grain of salt, but this is the second game that Kennedy had the largest minus on the team. The most worthless stat in basketball. Makes it seem as if what one player does on the court is the whole reason the other team has success or doesn’t. Doesn’t account for mistakes of the other 4 players. Respectfully disagree. Most worthless stat in basketball is the average of players' uniform numbers. Second most worthless stat is average number of letters in the players' last names. |
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 18, 2022 14:20:58 GMT -8
Disagree strongly that +/- point differential is a "worthless" stat. Plus/minus is useful in that it reflects a lot of non-stat efforts that often go untracked, such as getting back on defense, playing quality position-based defense, making the extra pass to a more open teammate, tipping a ball to a teammate for a rebound, etc. How one's team performs with a player on the court with respect to the scoreboard was something I always wanted to see as a coach. But it's totally reliant on the other 4 players on the court with you. You can have an awful +/- because one of the other players is having a bad game. In that scenario, the player having a rough game will be reflected in their +/-. When you overlap with that player, your +/- will be reflected as a delta. It certainly can play out that you get luck/unlucky to have your minutes only overlap with a micro-trend, but over a season it does tend to measure your overall impact at both ends of the court. I'm a big fan of the metric, but I agree too much can be made of it as well. I'm a bit surprised Kennedy's numbers are that bad, as she's pretty key to slowing down the opponent's biggest inside scoring threat. Note though that Kennedy has been subbed out on offense in late-game situations, and subbed back in for late-game defense. That can really hurt your +/-, particularly in the last game when we were hitting shots immediatly after substitution situations, and not scoring a lot of points overall. |
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Post by lotrader on Jan 18, 2022 14:31:07 GMT -8
Does anyone know the algorithm used to calculate +/- stat?
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Post by wbosh15 on Jan 18, 2022 14:41:31 GMT -8
But it's totally reliant on the other 4 players on the court with you. You can have an awful +/- because one of the other players is having a bad game. In that scenario, the player having a rough game will be reflected in their +/-. When you overlap with that player, your +/- will be reflected as a delta. It certainly can play out that you get luck/unlucky to have your minutes only overlap with a micro-trend, but over a season it does tend to measure your overall impact at both ends of the court. I'm a big fan of the metric, but I agree too much can be made of it as well. I'm a bit surprised Kennedy's numbers are that bad, as she's pretty key to slowing down the opponent's biggest inside scoring threat. Note though that Kennedy has been subbed out on offense in late-game situations, and subbed back in for late-game defense. That can really hurt your +/-, particularly in the last game when we were hitting shots immediatly after substitution situations, and not scoring a lot of points overall. Single game plus/minus is subject to ALOT of noise. Opponent shooting luck, how your team is shooting etc. I think one of the reason's you are seeing Kennedy's numbers lacking the last two games is how good Jelena has been. Both Colorado and Arizona seemed to have more trouble with Jelena defensively just because of her size. Also, I didn't realize until I watched that large highlight video, but all of our points in OT where off of possessions where Jelena got an offensive rebound. I think she's starting to really gain confidence in herself and that will be HUGE if TJ is really out for the year. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 18, 2022 14:48:38 GMT -8
Does anyone know the algorithm used to calculate +/- stat? It is just team scoring differential when the player is on the court. |
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Post by bostonbeaver on Jan 18, 2022 15:44:38 GMT -8
This was only second game in person for me this season, so I might be wrong on this. But late in the 4th quarter, OSU briefly had a lineup of Mitrovic, Brown, Mack, Corosdale, and TVO. At 6'9", 6'6", 6'3", 6'3", and 5'11" respectively, this is a 6'4" average height. Is this the tallest lineup in a game OSU has ever had? I'm sort of assuming that we didn't run the Brown/Mitrovic twin tower when Jones was healthy, so it seemed like an unusual combo. Can anyone recall a taller lineup we've actually played in a game? This season or ever?
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 18, 2022 17:18:53 GMT -8
Does anyone know the algorithm used to calculate +/- stat?  |
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Post by sparty on Jan 18, 2022 18:52:32 GMT -8
Does anyone know the algorithm used to calculate +/- stat? It is just team scoring differential when the player is on the court. So it is like in high school when you had a dating differential of minus 5 to my plus 6? |
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Post by norm on Jan 18, 2022 19:49:48 GMT -8
Does anyone know the algorithm used to calculate +/- stat? If the team is ahead by 3 when a player comes in the game, then down by 4 when the player leaves the game -- that would be -7 If the team is ahead by 3 when a player comes in the game, then up by 12 when the player leaves the game -- that would be +9 Etc. It's a pretty simple formula and one that most coaches put alot of value in. With that said, when judging a player, its probably better to look at the stat over a several game period, as it's very possible that an important (or really good) player just gets caught in the game during an extended scoring run by the opposing team. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 19, 2022 6:07:58 GMT -8
It is just team scoring differential when the player is on the court. So it is like in high school when you had a dating differential of minus 5 to my plus 6? Your mom is a minus 5? |
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Post by sparty on Jan 19, 2022 6:44:11 GMT -8
So it is like in high school when you had a dating differential of minus 5 to my plus 6? Your mom is a minus 5? Dad is that you? 
She said she dated some blind guy for awhile.
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