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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 6, 2021 10:12:44 GMT -8
If you read the Canzany article on Mario not signing the extension right away, it Makes me cringe that it’s public knowledge that the University had to run the decision of the extension by a booster! #owned Well, he's the one that's paying for it. Same thing happened in Miami. One big booster stepped up to go after Cristobal. That's the world we live in. Sucks. |
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Post by beavs6 on Dec 6, 2021 10:18:20 GMT -8
Taggart to Florida State Cristobal to Miami That just means whoever o gets next will bolt for the University of Florida Don't sell uo short. There is still UCF, USF, FIU,... |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 6, 2021 10:22:07 GMT -8
Good luck Miami! Cristobal isn't the 'great recruiter' he gets noted for being. The Phil money/facilities is the recruiter. Don't necessarily agree with that. Chip, Helfrich & Slick Willie were not getting the level of recruits that Mario was getting. Sure the $$ helps, but he is still a very good recruiter. |
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Post by Bodhisattva on Dec 6, 2021 10:32:33 GMT -8
I haven't researched the Miami football program that deeply and I do not follow it so I am wondering why you would fire a coach who has been over 500 the last two seasons and is over 500 overall ? He took them to two str8 bowls as well . Yes they lost those bowl games but what might be possible going into a 4th or fifth season ? Smith just got an extension and he is under 500 still after 4 seasons OSU had some faith in him that a total turn around is still coming to give him another 6 years . What happened to that faith in Manny Diaz ? They just got done making a huge financial commitment to football when there was none before. You need a shiny new flashy hire to go along with it. Billion dollar boosters have some pull. I do think it was the right call for Miami to build enthusiasm, and I believe Cristobol will have them competing for a NC within 4 years. That area is just oozing with high school 5 star talent. Those Miami teams of the 90's were built almost exclusively from Florida HS talent. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 6, 2021 10:36:57 GMT -8
I haven't researched the Miami football program that deeply and I do not follow it so I am wondering why you would fire a coach who has been over 500 the last two seasons and is over 500 overall ? He took them to two str8 bowls as well . Yes they lost those bowl games but what might be possible going into a 4th or fifth season ? Smith just got an extension and he is under 500 still after 4 seasons OSU had some faith in him that a total turn around is still coming to give him another 6 years . What happened to that faith in Manny Diaz ? They just got done making a huge financial commitment to football when there was none before. You need a shiny new flashy hire to go along with it. Billion dollar boosters have some pull. I do think it was the right call for Miami to build enthusiasm, and I believe Cristobol will have them competing for a NC within 4 years. That area is just oozing with high school 5 star talent. Those Miami teams of the 90's were built almost exclusively from Florida HS talent. And great coaching. I believe he’ll enjoy moderate success. The ACC is kind of similar to the Pac12 competition wise. We’ll see! |
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Post by Mike84 on Dec 6, 2021 10:39:00 GMT -8
Remember the old saying. ‘Be careful what you wish for. ‘ We knew for years that their tubby baseball coach sucked but they finally got one that could coach baseball. There is not a soul of this board that felt Crystal Balls could coach game time. He could recruit but his game management was high school level. So as much as we glee in all of this maybe they will get a guy that can coach players up? Time will tell. I think that whatever glee is expressed in this thread is just about the turmoil in Eugene, not that we wanted Cristobal gone. Generally, anything that is bad for the ducks is good for the Beavers in some way. Besides, it never hurts to see the u-of-nike image get knocked down a peg, considering the hype created by having one of the richest owners in college football.
BUT, I agree. My hope was actually that this would all end in paying way too much and keeping Cristobal. I'm afraid of who they might get next.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 6, 2021 10:41:37 GMT -8
The person that loves this most is Lincoln Riley. They are going to have a shot to flip a bunch of those California recruits.
This may speed up the USC rebuild.
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Post by obf on Dec 6, 2021 10:47:52 GMT -8
For whatever reason... I kind of hope u of ho picks Skip Belly back up. In all reality he would probably be a great choice, and would probably thrive and I would go back to hating him very soon, but it still feels right to me.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 6, 2021 10:55:08 GMT -8
He gone.............the bigger question is........will "mustache douche" follow? I might have to find a different drinking game. Go Beavs!!!  You mean this guy? |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 6, 2021 11:10:41 GMT -8
Understood and fair take. My issue is the $$$$ you refer to ! Sports, both athletes and coaches, are totally out of control. This is taking money away from the school budget's and the Students and fans . I love sports far more than the average OSU alum should - and I am not, personally, impacted by current ticket prices or donation levels . However, I have to take a bigger view and realize that we are spending big bucks on finishing the West Side, and that the escalation in pricing for many people - will create ongoing attendance issues and further revenue shortfalls . There is no broadcast experience that matches actual game attendance - but , that seems to be where we are headed . Another aspect to the rich get richer; and the sucks, Miami, USC and others will ( along with NIL deals ), eventually control the landscape in every conceivable way. The 'business model' is not looking favorable for small market University teams . I agree... and OSU like the majority of universities can't play the "keep up with the Jones's" game. The West side needed a revamp, but I'm not sure the $150+ million is needed. The "amenities" seem to be mostly for the big donors, and are not going to help recruiting as some seem to think. Restaurant, marble floors, suites with kitchens, etc aren't for recruits. Nor are big donors going to up their donations when they've donated for the stadium upgrade. OSU will have a new, fancier stadium, but less seating means less revenue unless ticket/concession prices are jacked up. If so, who/how many will sit in said stadium outside those who had the money for the upgrades? Add in significant coaching salary increases x 5 to 6 years+. Revenue from games may increase overall, but it'll be from TV/bowl type revenue streams that would be in place regardless of the type of stadium upgrade. Oregon for example has a pretty simplistic stadium. It's the other athletic facilities/perks that woo some/many recruits, NOT the landfill. OSU is improving facilities, but we're NEVER, EVER going to have the perks of big time private schools and/or those with multiple huge donors. Plus, I "thought" that was not what OSU was built on and represented. We don't have to be mediocre, with middling facilities but OSU is not about extravagance and arrogance. When the Reser revamp was first bandied about I was in favor of a more Stanford approach. Great view from every seat, aluminum based seating with backs, expand the covered area, and a better concourse with views of the field. I'm guessing a lot of our $150+ million is going to a minority of folks who'll actually benefit. Anyway... bowl game on the agenda. |
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Post by sparty on Dec 6, 2021 11:27:42 GMT -8
If you read the Canzany article on Mario not signing the extension right away, it Makes me cringe that it’s public knowledge that the University had to run the decision of the extension by a booster! #owned That never happens anywhere else. Do we even have any big dollar boosters. I assure you if a booster wanted something for the stadium suite the AD would say what color and the like. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 6, 2021 11:33:40 GMT -8
If you read the Canzany article on Mario not signing the extension right away, it Makes me cringe that it’s public knowledge that the University had to run the decision of the extension by a booster! #owned That never happens anywhere else. Do we even have any big dollar boosters. I assure you if a booster wanted something for the stadium suite the AD would say what color and the like. We had a booster donate $50 million for the stadium, so yes, we do have some of those. |
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Post by sparty on Dec 6, 2021 11:49:10 GMT -8
That never happens anywhere else. Do we even have any big dollar boosters. I assure you if a booster wanted something for the stadium suite the AD would say what color and the like. We had a booster donate $50 million for the stadium, so yes, we do have some of those. Everyone has a price. What would it cost me to send your wife over and fix me dinner? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 6, 2021 11:51:07 GMT -8
We had a booster donate $50 million for the stadium, so yes, we do have some of those. Everyone has a price. What would it cost me to send your wife over and fix me dinner? I'll pay you. |
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Post by irimi on Dec 6, 2021 11:51:18 GMT -8
Understood and fair take. My issue is the $$$$ you refer to ! Sports, both athletes and coaches, are totally out of control. This is taking money away from the school budget's and the Students and fans . I love sports far more than the average OSU alum should - and I am not, personally, impacted by current ticket prices or donation levels . However, I have to take a bigger view and realize that we are spending big bucks on finishing the West Side, and that the escalation in pricing for many people - will create ongoing attendance issues and further revenue shortfalls . There is no broadcast experience that matches actual game attendance - but , that seems to be where we are headed . Another aspect to the rich get richer; and the sucks, Miami, USC and others will ( along with NIL deals ), eventually control the landscape in every conceivable way. The 'business model' is not looking favorable for small market University teams . I agree... and OSU like the majority of universities can't play the "keep up with the Jones's" game. The West side needed a revamp, but I'm not sure the $150+ million is needed. The "amenities" seem to be mostly for the big donors, and are not going to help recruiting as some seem to think. Restaurant, marble floors, suites with kitchens, etc aren't for recruits. Nor are big donors going to up their donations when they've donated for the stadium upgrade. OSU will have a new, fancier stadium, but less seating means less revenue unless ticket/concession prices are jacked up. If so, who/how many will sit in said stadium outside those who had the money for the upgrades? Add in significant coaching salary increases x 5 to 6 years+. Revenue from games may increase overall, but it'll be from TV/bowl type revenue streams that would be in place regardless of the type of stadium upgrade. Oregon for example has a pretty simplistic stadium. It's the other athletic facilities/perks that woo some/many recruits, NOT the landfill. OSU is improving facilities, but we're NEVER, EVER going to have the perks of big time private schools and/or those with multiple huge donors. Plus, I "thought" that was not what OSU was built on and represented. We don't have to be mediocre, with middling facilities but OSU is not about extravagance and arrogance. When the Reser revamp was first bandied about I was in favor of a more Stanford approach. Great view from every seat, aluminum based seating with backs, expand the covered area, and a better concourse with views of the field. I'm guessing a lot of our $150+ million is going to a minority of folks who'll actually benefit. Anyway... bowl game on the agenda. True, but money doesn’t buy everything. Utah is doing things the right way. |
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