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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 29, 2021 13:03:24 GMT -8
Before we get “locked,”…… three u$uc O-linemen on first team? W T actual F? I hear Andrew Vorhees consistently mentioned as the best guard in the Pac-12. Vorhees would probably be a starting tackle at pretty much every other school in the Pac-12. I have not heard much about the other two. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 29, 2021 14:42:20 GMT -8
These lists are a complete joke.
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Post by irimi on Nov 29, 2021 15:26:03 GMT -8
Congratulations to these guys! Fantastic!
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Nov 29, 2021 22:03:20 GMT -8
Isn't Roberts the league leading tackler? No mention..........this list is jacked!
Go Beavs!!
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Post by ee1990 on Nov 29, 2021 22:56:35 GMT -8
www.pff.com/news/college-football-2021-all-pac-12-team-offensive-defensive-player-of-the-year-drake-london-usc-kayvon-thibodeaux-oregonFIRST-TEAM ALL-PAC 12 QB Chance Nolan, Oregon StateRB Zach Charbonnet, UCLA RB Rachaad White, Arizona State WR Drake London, USC WR Trevon Bradford, Oregon StateWR Devon Williams, Oregon TE Benjamin Yurosek, Stanford LT Kellen Diesch, Arizona State LG Andrew Vorhees, USC C Brett Neilon, USC RG Liam Jimmons, USC RT Braeden Daniels, Utah DI Popo Aumavae, Oregon DI Brandon Dorlus, Oregon ED Kayvon Thibodeaux, Oregon ED Mike Tafua, Utah LB Devin Lloyd, Utah LB Nephi Sewell, Utah CB Trent McDuffie, Washington CB Kyler Gordon, Washington S Elijah Hicks, Cal S Daniel Scott, Cal FLEX D Brendan Radley-Hiles, Washington K Cole Becker, Colorado P Ben Griffiths, USC KR Mykael Wright, Oregon PR Britain Covey, Utah Either of those RB choices over Baylor is an insult to human decency. He is the leading RB by yards in the conference, #4 in TDs, #1 in carries and holds over a 6 YPC average. an absolute beast. He has the same TDs as Charbonnet, one less than White and more yards and a better YPC than either. That's now how they work. They grade each play. If a dude goes untouched through a 4 yard hole for 10 yards and falls down at first contact, does he deserve a + grade? You can argue about their human error in that grading system, but it's certainly a better metric than just looking at total stats. A lot of you seem really confused as to how PFF works. They literally watch every single play and assign grades to each one for each player, something not a single person here has ever done. |
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Post by bleedorange21 on Nov 30, 2021 0:18:24 GMT -8
PFF is trash!
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Post by rgeorge on Nov 30, 2021 0:29:25 GMT -8
Either of those RB choices over Baylor is an insult to human decency. He is the leading RB by yards in the conference, #4 in TDs, #1 in carries and holds over a 6 YPC average. an absolute beast. He has the same TDs as Charbonnet, one less than White and more yards and a better YPC than either. That's now how they work. They grade each play. If a dude goes untouched through a 4 yard hole for 10 yards and falls down at first contact, does he deserve a + grade? You can argue about their human error in that grading system, but it's certainly a better metric than just looking at total stats. A lot of you seem really confused as to how PFF works. They literally watch every single play and assign grades to each one for each player, something not a single person here has ever done. Actually you may be... their system is based on opinion. Their entire rating scale and ratings are based in what they think is a "base" play, what constitutes "+" or "-" plays and how much so. "PFF uses qualitative and opinion-based grading as the root of its 0–100 Player Grades – not its advanced statistics. As such, the 0–100 Player Grades are not truly quantitative and could be seen as being prone to bias, poor sample sizing, or other issues." This criticism is repeated over and over by people who do actual quantitative analysis. Hence, the proliferation of other analytics that are purely quantitative... Zebra, Sports Info Solutions, Next Gen, etc that collect actual real time data that isn't based on a bias and subjective +2/-2 scale in an again bias of 0.5 increments. |
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Post by ee1990 on Nov 30, 2021 4:17:16 GMT -8
That's now how they work. They grade each play. If a dude goes untouched through a 4 yard hole for 10 yards and falls down at first contact, does he deserve a + grade? You can argue about their human error in that grading system, but it's certainly a better metric than just looking at total stats. A lot of you seem really confused as to how PFF works. They literally watch every single play and assign grades to each one for each player, something not a single person here has ever done. Actually you may be... their system is based on opinion. Their entire rating scale and ratings are based in what they think is a "base" play, what constitutes "+" or "-" plays and how much so. "PFF uses qualitative and opinion-based grading as the root of its 0–100 Player Grades – not its advanced statistics. As such, the 0–100 Player Grades are not truly quantitative and could be seen as being prone to bias, poor sample sizing, or other issues." This criticism is repeated over and over by people who do actual quantitative analysis. Hence, the proliferation of other analytics that are purely quantitative... Zebra, Sports Info Solutions, Next Gen, etc that collect actual real time data that isn't based on a bias and subjective +2/-2 scale in an again bias of 0.5 increments. FFS, I literally said you could argue against the system because of the human factor, and you're iterating what I just said in terms of how they grade, but I don't get it? GTFO. |
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Post by rgeorge on Nov 30, 2021 9:19:16 GMT -8
Actually you may be... their system is based on opinion. Their entire rating scale and ratings are based in what they think is a "base" play, what constitutes "+" or "-" plays and how much so. "PFF uses qualitative and opinion-based grading as the root of its 0–100 Player Grades – not its advanced statistics. As such, the 0–100 Player Grades are not truly quantitative and could be seen as being prone to bias, poor sample sizing, or other issues." This criticism is repeated over and over by people who do actual quantitative analysis. Hence, the proliferation of other analytics that are purely quantitative... Zebra, Sports Info Solutions, Next Gen, etc that collect actual real time data that isn't based on a bias and subjective +2/-2 scale in an again bias of 0.5 increments. FFS, I literally said you could argue against the system because of the human factor, and you're iterating what I just said in terms of how they grade, but I don't get it? GTFO. Then remarked its better than "total stats"... nope. Some selected, maybe, not total by any means. Most folks on this board can pick apart their Pac12 selections without much analytic background. PFF is about as "right" as two posters arguing who's better on a social media platform. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 30, 2021 12:41:54 GMT -8
Isn't Roberts the league leading tackler? No mention..........this list is jacked! Go Beavs!! Avery Roberts is first in tackles. Roberts stat line: 123 tackles, 2.5 sacks for -10 yards, two pass breakups, an interception and a forced fumble. Devin Lloyd is first-team in the PFF. His stat line: 100 tackles, 7 sacks for -59 yards, 6 pass breakups, 3 interceptions, a touchdown and a forced fumble. Lloyd leads all linebackers in sacks, yards lost by sack, pass breakups, interceptions and touchdowns. Lloyd probably beats Roberts based on a pure stat comparison. |
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Nov 30, 2021 12:46:15 GMT -8
Isn't Roberts the league leading tackler? No mention..........this list is jacked! Go Beavs!! Avery Roberts is first in tackles. Roberts stat line: 123 tackles, 2.5 sacks for -10 yards, two pass breakups, an interception and a forced fumble. Devin Lloyd is first-team in the PFF. His stat line: 100 tackles, 7 sacks for -59 yards, 6 pass breakups, 3 interceptions, a touchdown and a forced fumble. Lloyd leads all linebackers in sacks, yards lost by sack, pass breakups, interceptions and touchdowns. Lloyd probably beats Roberts based on a pure stat comparison. I was referring to the fact that he wasn't mentioned at all. 1st, 2nd,3rd, or HM..........Surely the leading tackler would make one of those teams. Go Beavs!! |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Nov 30, 2021 14:24:10 GMT -8
No Colletto, no credibility for this poll.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 30, 2021 16:03:50 GMT -8
Isn't Roberts the league leading tackler? No mention..........this list is jacked! Go Beavs!! Avery Roberts is first in tackles. Roberts stat line: 123 tackles, 2.5 sacks for -10 yards, two pass breakups, an interception and a forced fumble. Devin Lloyd is first-team in the PFF. His stat line: 100 tackles, 7 sacks for -59 yards, 6 pass breakups, 3 interceptions, a touchdown and a forced fumble. Lloyd leads all linebackers in sacks, yards lost by sack, pass breakups, interceptions and touchdowns. Lloyd probably beats Roberts based on a pure stat comparison. I don't think the argument is he deserves to be first, though again it comes down to what the player was suppose to be doing, Tibs rarely if ever blitzed him... It is he doesn't appear at all. that is highly questionable. the Pac-12 leading tacker isn't even a top EIGHT? player? come on now. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 30, 2021 16:29:58 GMT -8
No Colletto, no credibility for this poll. How? He's certainly not statistically one of the top linebackers, or quarterbacks, or running backs in the league. He's a great handyman, jack of all trades kind of guy, and a real good story, but unless pollsters start creating a new award "position" Jack isn't going to see much in the way of post season awards. |
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Post by ee1990 on Nov 30, 2021 18:37:41 GMT -8
FFS, I literally said you could argue against the system because of the human factor, and you're iterating what I just said in terms of how they grade, but I don't get it? GTFO. Then remarked its better than "total stats"... nope. Some selected, maybe, not total by any means. Most folks on this board can pick apart their Pac12 selections without much analytic background. PFF is about as "right" as two posters arguing who's better on a social media platform. No, not what I said. I said it's better than JUST looking at total stats. You are struggling really badly. |
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