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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Nov 30, 2021 3:04:58 GMT -8
Well f%#* it, Carlos has spoken. And he is smarter than a 5th grader so there's that too. Did he see 23 lower his head and launch into the receiver? Did he see the receiver turn 180+ degrees after impact? ("barely turns" I'm telling ya) No, he just told you what he saw so stop arguing because he is, after all, smarter than a 5th grader.
Go Beavs!!
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Post by kersting13 on Nov 30, 2021 9:15:03 GMT -8
The Washington Football Team went for 2 on MNF after scoring a TD in the third quarter of a tie game. shrug emoji. Because their FG kicker was injured, and they didn't trust their punter to make an XP. They also eschewed a short FG with 2 minutes left that would have put them up by 2 scores. What Smith did on Saturday made no sense. What the WFT did on Monday made me wonder what their punter does all day at practice when he's not punting or holding, but at least you didn't have to wonder if the HC would be able to help a 1st grader with his math home work.
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Post by rgeorge on Nov 30, 2021 9:21:58 GMT -8
Well f%#* it, Carlos has spoken. And he is smarter than a 5th grader so there's that too. Did he see 23 lower his head and launch into the receiver? Did he see the receiver turn 180+ degrees after impact? ("barely turns" I'm telling ya) No, he just told you what he saw so stop arguing because he is, after all, smarter than a 5th grader. Go Beavs!! And even though there are clearly two sides, one indeed is a lame ass interpretation only backed by a terrible overturn, it's also "not debatable". Yet he keeps going. Weird!
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Post by nabeav on Nov 30, 2021 9:26:18 GMT -8
That's the first time I've seen the hit since I saw it live in the stadium. I thought it was weird that Harrison didn't make even a halfhearted attempt to catch the ball. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I think there's some truth to what Carlos is saying. Harrison was looking for a hit, and he got one. My guess is that those two had been jawing at each other all game, and it got in Harrison's head a little bit (or a lot, based on him throwing a punch a few minutes later). I think I would've picked up the flag as well.
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Post by kersting13 on Nov 30, 2021 9:30:02 GMT -8
That's the first time I've seen the hit since I saw it live in the stadium. I thought it was weird that Harrison didn't make even a halfhearted attempt to catch the ball. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I think there's some truth to what Carlos is saying. Harrison was looking for a hit, and he got one. My guess is that those two had been jawing at each other all game, and it got in Harrison's head a little bit (or a lot, based on him throwing a punch a few minutes later). I think I would've picked up the flag as well. Apparently, you are easily gaslighted. All you have to see is the crown of the defensive player's helmet launched into the ear hole. You have eyes, dude. Use them.
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Post by rgeorge on Nov 30, 2021 9:32:09 GMT -8
That's the first time I've seen the hit since I saw it live in the stadium. I thought it was weird that Harrison didn't make even a halfhearted attempt to catch the ball. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I think there's some truth to what Carlos is saying. Harrison was looking for a hit, and he got one. My guess is that those two had been jawing at each other all game, and it got in Harrison's head a little bit (or a lot, based on him throwing a punch a few minutes later). I think I would've picked up the flag as well. First, the flag wasn't picked up. Second, what "jawing" went on, no arms attempting a catch, bracing for a hit, etc has zero bearing on a PF and/or targeting call.
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Post by Bodhisattva on Nov 30, 2021 9:36:53 GMT -8
Again, this isn't really a debatable topic. If you look at replay angle from behind the end zone, which is the only angle that captures where the contact actually took place, it is clear that the defender's facemask contacts the receiver's shoulder. If you aren't able to decipher this, your mental acuity might be on par with Jonathan Smith, or you need a higher definition television. If the intended result is to protect the tackler in addition to the recipient of the tackle, it fails. The tackler launched head first at the player. Regardless of a glancing hit on the shoulder, which was more likely a result of the receiver lifting his shoulders in anticipation of the tackler aiming for his head. To say it wasn't targeting is foolish and myopic.
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Post by Bodhisattva on Nov 30, 2021 9:42:58 GMT -8
Yep, certainly looks like targeting. The bigger question is, why did Nolan hang him out to dry? That ball should never have been thrown to that spot. Go Beavs!! This is understated. That pass should not have been thrown. Nolan definitely deserves some of the blame.
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Post by tnarg33 on Nov 30, 2021 9:51:02 GMT -8
I actually think the problem is in the rule itself. Should it be called targeting? Yes I think that should have been called. Should he be suspended for some of the next game because of that play, no I do not. So there’s the rub, when there’s a lot more at stake than just the call on the field it clouds the decision of the call and the calls are supposed to be black and white.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 30, 2021 9:59:58 GMT -8
All I'm saying is that if you didn't know who threw the pass, you could probably make a case for Harrison loading up and delivering a blow to the head and neck area of McKinley.
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Post by grackle on Nov 30, 2021 10:11:41 GMT -8
The Washington Football Team went for 2 on MNF after scoring a TD in the third quarter of a tie game. shrug emoji. Like I said before, this isn't even a debatable topic. Nothing I said can be disputed since the facts are what they are, no matter how badly someone wants to change them. The tape does not lie. Anyone that watches this definitive angle can clearly see, beyond any doubt whatsoever, that absolutely nothing about this play qualifies as defensive targeting. Only the blind, biased and dimwitted amongst us will continue to debate it. I expect some vehement arguments from 80% of this board shortly.
You can't possibly be as obtuse and dense as your "..blind, biased and dimwitted" comments on this website. As I've said previously, what part of launching and helmet-to-helmet contact is so difficult for you to comprehend? Moreover, a number of my dedicated quack friends agree that your comments are an embarrassment to common sense. Finally, don't flatter yourself--- a whole lot more than just "..80% of this board" thinks your takes are a waste of space, time and air.
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Post by irimi on Nov 30, 2021 11:23:55 GMT -8
The Washington Football Team went for 2 on MNF after scoring a TD in the third quarter of a tie game. shrug emoji.
Uhhh, that is because their kicker got hurt during the game. That is why they also didn't kick a game clinching field goal when they were near the goal line at the end of the game. Their kicker getting hurt nearly cost them the game.
As an aside, the level of stupidity displayed in this thread is mind-numbing. Let me insert the relevant clip, then point out what should be obvious.
Clearly, the receiver was never making any attempt whatsoever to catch the football. The receiver was not only not a defenseless player, but was bracing to purposefully make contact the entire time. He is looking at the defender the entire time, crouches down (which lowers the hitting zone) and sets his arm/shoulder to deliver a blow. Once the defender impacts his shoulder, he even follows through with his forearm.
Clearly, the defender was the only player with his head actually turned to the ball. He is tracking the ball and seems caught off guard by the impact. The defender is actually the one that goes flying from the impact, while the receiver (who was bracing for the impact the entire time) barely turns. Anyone that has actually played the game knows the different reactions one has to being hit unexpectedly as compared to when you brace for/deliver a hit.
Like I said before, this isn't even a debatable topic. Nothing I said can be disputed since the facts are what they are, no matter how badly someone wants to change them. The tape does not lie. Anyone that watches this definitive angle can clearly see, beyond any doubt whatsoever, that absolutely nothing about this play qualifies as defensive targeting. Only the blind, biased and dimwitted amongst us will continue to debate it. I expect some vehement arguments from 80% of this board shortly.
That's fine. Believe what you want to believe. Just remember that the s%#t from the team falls on the fans, too. Hard to hold your head up when you know you've got dirty players.
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Post by kersting13 on Nov 30, 2021 11:45:31 GMT -8
All I'm saying is that if you didn't know who threw the pass, you could probably make a case for Harrison loading up and delivering a blow to the head and neck area of McKinley. No. Clearly there's one guy bracing contact, and one guy launching the crown of his helmet into the other. Go ahead and "make a case" - it's a REALLY bad case to make. Open and shut.
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Post by OriginalWhizzinator on Dec 2, 2021 17:43:14 GMT -8
My only regret is that he wasn’t able to go for three.
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Post by irimi on Dec 4, 2021 8:10:02 GMT -8
Good thing the refs didn't uphold the targeting call on 23. Can you imagine how lost the Ducks would have been without him last night? Whew! They really dodged a bullet.
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