2ndGenBeaver
Sophomore
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Grad Year: 1991 (MS/CS) 1999 (PhD/CS)
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Nov 15, 2021 12:35:16 GMT -8
Interesting: The Oregon State Beavers are averaging 61.5 points on 38 percent shooting and allowing 62 points on 41 percent shooting. Warith Alatishe is averaging 14.5 points and 3 assists, while Maurice Call is averaging 12 points and 4.5 rebounds. Jarod Lucas is the third double-digit scorer and Gianni Hunt is grabbing 3 rebounds. The Oregon State Beavers are shooting 25 percent from beyond the arc and 55 percent from the free throw line. The Oregon State Beavers are allowing 29.2 percent shooting from deep and are grabbing 34 rebounds per game. Might need to step inside the three point line and practice some FTs. sportschatplace.com/college-basketball-picks/2021/11/15/tulsa-vs-oregon-state-college-basketball-picks-odds-predictions-11-15-21/Go Beavers! |
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 15, 2021 13:07:46 GMT -8
That free throw percentage is embarrassing. Though I’m starting to come to the conclusion that free throw shooting might be going the way of hitting in MLB. Used to be that team that 70% was the cutoff for below average FT shooting and good teams were more like 75%. Maybe need to start lowering my expectations as I’ve done in baseball where someone hitting .225 with 30 HRs and 140 Ks gets a pay raise.
This is a game Beavs have to win. And the excuse of “still trying to mesh” isn’t a good one — nor is it being on the road. Tulsa’s top two players are transfers, and two others that average 10+ mpg are a JC transfer and a frosh. And Tulsa lost to Air Force at home. The same Air Force team that lost to South Dakota. And South Dakota lost to Drake by 49. Time for the Beavers to put on their big boy pants and win a road game.
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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 15, 2021 13:34:41 GMT -8
That free throw percentage is embarrassing. Though I’m starting to come to the conclusion that free throw shooting might be going the way of hitting in MLB. Used to be that team that 70% was the cutoff for below average FT shooting and good teams were more like 75%. Maybe need to start lowering my expectations as I’ve done in baseball where someone hitting .225 with 30 HRs and 140 Ks gets a pay raise. This is a game Beavs have to win. And the excuse of “still trying to mesh” isn’t a good one — nor is it being on the road. Tulsa’s top two players are transfers, and two others that average 10+ mpg are a JC transfer and a frosh. And Tulsa lost to Air Force at home. The same Air Force team that lost to South Dakota. And South Dakota lost to Drake by 49. Time for the Beavers to put on their big boy pants and win a road game. DaShawn Davis is 2-6 on the year. He shot 73.5% last year, so he's capable... Akanno is 1-4. He shot 80% last year (only 4-5 though), but one would think he's capable. Tre Williams on the other hand - ouch. 0-3 this year. 10-32 last year. 16-26 in 2019. Let's keep him off the line. Alatishe, Andela, Silva & Rand are all probably going to 55-65% shooters at the line. On the flip side, I think Davis, Hunt, Calloo and of course Lucas should be solid. I don't think they'll be as good as last year (75.8%) but don't think it will be quite as bad as what we've seen so far. |
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Post by shelby on Nov 15, 2021 13:58:05 GMT -8
Just from 'listening' to the mast game - it sounded like a very disorganized street ball game . The idea of someone playing point guard and actually controlling the tempo ... never seemed to be part of the game plan. Too many three's that were desperation instead of set plays and also early foul trouble on Alatishe, all while allowing wide open 'three's' for Iowa Stae .
Play under control and take your shot when your feet are set .
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Post by rgeorge on Nov 15, 2021 15:04:23 GMT -8
Just from 'listening' to the mast game - it sounded like a very disorganized street ball game . The idea of someone playing point guard and actually controlling the tempo ... never seemed to be part of the game plan. Too many three's that were desperation instead of set plays and also early foul trouble on Alatishe, all while allowing wide open 'three's' for Iowa Stae . Play under control and take your shot when your feet are set . Well, it's really not surprising with all the newcomers. Plus, the transfers may seem to be talented on the surface, but they really bring very limited experience and production. Right now it'll be very much "street ball" until someone becomes a floor leader and OSU has a go-to scorer. As for the returners, each has a skill set but none have a complete skill set. I really see no significant improvement in Silva's game or mobility. Jared is what he is... 40% shooter that'll get hot, but isn't a threat in the paint nor a great handle. Everyone else also seems very one dimensional. Some leadership needs to develop before '22 rolls around. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 15, 2021 16:23:28 GMT -8
Just from 'listening' to the mast game - it sounded like a very disorganized street ball game . The idea of someone playing point guard and actually controlling the tempo ... never seemed to be part of the game plan. Too many three's that were desperation instead of set plays and also early foul trouble on Alatishe, all while allowing wide open 'three's' for Iowa Stae . Play under control and take your shot when your feet are set . Well, it's really not surprising with all the newcomers. Plus, the transfers may seem to be talented on the surface, but they really bring very limited experience and production. Right now it'll be very much "street ball" until someone becomes a floor leader and OSU has a go-to scorer. As for the returners, each has a skill set but none have a complete skill set. I really see no significant improvement in Silva's game or mobility. Jared is what he is... 40% shooter that'll get hot, but isn't a threat in the paint nor a great handle. Everyone else also seems very one dimensional. Some leadership needs to develop before '22 rolls around. Agreed. I'm still not sure where we are going to get points when we're in a pinch. Though I did say that last year too. My *hope* is that the rotation sort of settles itself, roles get a little more defined and things calm down a bit. In the admittedly limited time I've had a chance to watch with my eyeballs, it feels like a lot of guys are auditioning for PT and trying to do too much. Reminds me of my freshman hoop days where i tried to do 20 minutes worth of work in 3 minutes of PT and found myself right back on the bench. Filled up that box score with a couple fouls, 2 TO's, an assist and probably threw up an air ball (HEAT CHECK!). Just run the offense and guard your man. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 15, 2021 16:48:14 GMT -8
Just from 'listening' to the mast game - it sounded like a very disorganized street ball game . The idea of someone playing point guard and actually controlling the tempo ... never seemed to be part of the game plan. Too many three's that were desperation instead of set plays and also early foul trouble on Alatishe, all while allowing wide open 'three's' for Iowa Stae . Play under control and take your shot when your feet are set . Well, it's really not surprising with all the newcomers. Plus, the transfers may seem to be talented on the surface, but they really bring very limited experience and production. Right now it'll be very much "street ball" until someone becomes a floor leader and OSU has a go-to scorer. As for the returners, each has a skill set but none have a complete skill set. I really see no significant improvement in Silva's game or mobility. Jared is what he is... 40% shooter that'll get hot, but isn't a threat in the paint nor a great handle. Everyone else also seems very one dimensional. Some leadership needs to develop before '22 rolls around. They are going to have to get some consistent production out of Silva, Alitshe, Andela & Rand on the inside or they are going to struggle. Every team is going to play man and extend on Jarod and Calloo because neither one of them is skilled off the dribble. They are not going to want to play zone against us and possibly leave those two open. If we can score inside and collapse the defense some, we can get those guys some outside looks. Silva has got to start finishing and stay out of foul trouble. He moves a little better this year (although still not great), but he hasn't solved his fouling issues. Right now, we have a lot of athletes that need to be molded into more complete basketball players. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 15, 2021 16:49:21 GMT -8
Well, it's really not surprising with all the newcomers. Plus, the transfers may seem to be talented on the surface, but they really bring very limited experience and production. Right now it'll be very much "street ball" until someone becomes a floor leader and OSU has a go-to scorer. As for the returners, each has a skill set but none have a complete skill set. I really see no significant improvement in Silva's game or mobility. Jared is what he is... 40% shooter that'll get hot, but isn't a threat in the paint nor a great handle. Everyone else also seems very one dimensional. Some leadership needs to develop before '22 rolls around. Agreed. I'm still not sure where we are going to get points when we're in a pinch. Though I did say that last year too. My *hope* is that the rotation sort of settles itself, roles get a little more defined and things calm down a bit. In the admittedly limited time I've had a chance to watch with my eyeballs, it feels like a lot of guys are auditioning for PT and trying to do too much. Reminds me of my freshman hoop days where i tried to do 20 minutes worth of work in 3 minutes of PT and found myself right back on the bench. Filled up that box score with a couple fouls, 2 TO's, an assist and probably threw up an air ball (HEAT CHECK!). Just run the offense and guard your man. I don't think you can call it a "heat check" when it's your first shot.....  |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 15, 2021 23:08:15 GMT -8
Well, it's really not surprising with all the newcomers. Plus, the transfers may seem to be talented on the surface, but they really bring very limited experience and production. Right now it'll be very much "street ball" until someone becomes a floor leader and OSU has a go-to scorer. As for the returners, each has a skill set but none have a complete skill set. I really see no significant improvement in Silva's game or mobility. Jared is what he is... 40% shooter that'll get hot, but isn't a threat in the paint nor a great handle. Everyone else also seems very one dimensional. Some leadership needs to develop before '22 rolls around. They are going to have to get some consistent production out of Silva, Alitshe, Andela & Rand on the inside or they are going to struggle. Every team is going to play man and extend on Jarod and Calloo because neither one of them is skilled off the dribble. They are not going to want to play zone against us and possibly leave those two open. If we can score inside and collapse the defense some, we can get those guys some outside looks. Silva has got to start finishing and stay out of foul trouble. He moves a little better this year (although still not great), but he hasn't solved his fouling issues. Right now, we have a lot of athletes that need to be molded into more complete basketball players. We really miss ET. I really like this team with another year of ET. It seems like we have a very good cast of characters, but we do not have that scorer that draws the defense's attention and gives the cast a chance to score. Alatishe is much improved but is still not that guy. We need Calloo to become a better ball-handler or Jarod to became a better ball-handler or more consistent shooter. If not Calloo or Jarod, we need someone else to take that spot. So far, Andela looks like he took a step sideways at best or, more probably, a step backward. He needs to be a more consistent threat on the inside. These last two games have been two gut punches. We have a chance to use Samford and Princeton over the next 10 days to refocus the team to get prepared for Wake. |
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Nov 15, 2021 23:32:32 GMT -8
They are going to have to get some consistent production out of Silva, Alitshe, Andela & Rand on the inside or they are going to struggle. Every team is going to play man and extend on Jarod and Calloo because neither one of them is skilled off the dribble. They are not going to want to play zone against us and possibly leave those two open. If we can score inside and collapse the defense some, we can get those guys some outside looks. Silva has got to start finishing and stay out of foul trouble. He moves a little better this year (although still not great), but he hasn't solved his fouling issues. Right now, we have a lot of athletes that need to be molded into more complete basketball players. We really miss ET. I really like this team with another year of ET. It seems like we have a very good cast of characters, but we do not have that scorer that draws the defense's attention and gives the cast a chance to score. Alatishe is much improved but is still not that guy. We need Calloo to become a better ball-handler or Jarod to became a better ball-handler or more consistent shooter. If not Calloo or Jarod, we need someone else to take that spot. So far, Andela looks like he took a step sideways at best or, more probably, a step backward. He needs to be a more consistent threat on the inside. These last two games have been two gut punches. We have a chance to use Samford and Princeton over the next 10 days to refocus the team to get prepared for Wake. I actually thought Andela had a very nice game tonight. 10 points and 8 boards off the bench with only 2 fouls in 25 minutes. He did turn the ball over 3 times but otherwise thought he was solid. The rest of your points I would agree with though. Need to see some improvement in these two home games coming up. |
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Post by grad1973 on Nov 16, 2021 3:07:26 GMT -8
I thought Rand was supposed to be this great inside blocking specialist. Why isn’t he in like last nite they were tearing us up on the inside?
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Nov 16, 2021 13:02:49 GMT -8
I thought Rand was supposed to be this great inside blocking specialist. Why isn’t he in like last nite they were tearing us up on the inside? He is just coming off injury, so possibly just needing to get more practice time/get up to speed. |
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Post by beaverstever on Nov 16, 2021 13:38:40 GMT -8
They are going to have to get some consistent production out of Silva, Alitshe, Andela & Rand on the inside or they are going to struggle. Every team is going to play man and extend on Jarod and Calloo because neither one of them is skilled off the dribble. They are not going to want to play zone against us and possibly leave those two open. If we can score inside and collapse the defense some, we can get those guys some outside looks. Silva has got to start finishing and stay out of foul trouble. He moves a little better this year (although still not great), but he hasn't solved his fouling issues. Right now, we have a lot of athletes that need to be molded into more complete basketball players. We really miss ET. I really like this team with another year of ET. It seems like we have a very good cast of characters, but we do not have that scorer that draws the defense's attention and gives the cast a chance to score. Alatishe is much improved but is still not that guy. We need Calloo to become a better ball-handler or Jarod to became a better ball-handler or more consistent shooter. If not Calloo or Jarod, we need someone else to take that spot. So far, Andela looks like he took a step sideways at best or, more probably, a step backward. He needs to be a more consistent threat on the inside. These last two games have been two gut punches. We have a chance to use Samford and Princeton over the next 10 days to refocus the team to get prepared for Wake. Princeton isn't a get-well game unfortunately. They have beaten South Carolina and lost to Minn in overtime. Obviously a game we should/need to win, but probably will take a better effort than we've had to date. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 16, 2021 13:44:47 GMT -8
We really miss ET. I really like this team with another year of ET. It seems like we have a very good cast of characters, but we do not have that scorer that draws the defense's attention and gives the cast a chance to score. Alatishe is much improved but is still not that guy. We need Calloo to become a better ball-handler or Jarod to became a better ball-handler or more consistent shooter. If not Calloo or Jarod, we need someone else to take that spot. So far, Andela looks like he took a step sideways at best or, more probably, a step backward. He needs to be a more consistent threat on the inside. These last two games have been two gut punches. We have a chance to use Samford and Princeton over the next 10 days to refocus the team to get prepared for Wake. Princeton isn't a get-well game unfortunately. They have beaten South Carolina and lost to Minn in overtime. Obviously a game we should/need to win, but probably will take a better effort than we've had to date. Does Princeton run the Princeton offense? Hmmmm..... |
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2ndGenBeaver
Sophomore
Posts: 1,803
Grad Year: 1991 (MS/CS) 1999 (PhD/CS)
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Nov 16, 2021 16:57:29 GMT -8
I admit to having very mixed feelings about the season thus far.
On one hand, we lost our leaders, have a bunch of new faces, there are floods, locusts, fire engines....
On the other hand, I hope winning NCAA tournament games is not a once-in-forty-years sort of occurrence.
Some of the folks who were purported to have taken large strides forward, or would be candidates to do so (Warithe, Silva, Hunt, ...) haven't shown it thus far.
Also, from my untrained vantage point, a lot of the stuff that left me questioning the Tinkle coaching acumen (or player listening acumen, doesn't matter) seem to be re-surfacing [lack of offensive purpose, rebounding, blocking out, defensive intensity, rotational patterns].
The tourney run reminded me how much fun I can have watching OSU MBB, a feeling that I had lost over the years.
These last 3 games are reminding me a bit of how and why I lost that passion.
Like I said, mixed feelings. Here's hoping the team can put it together - the pieces seem to be there to create a sum of parts much better than what we have seen thus far......
Go Beavers!
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