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PJ Fraud
Nov 14, 2021 14:19:54 GMT -8
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 14, 2021 14:19:54 GMT -8
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Post by irimi on Nov 14, 2021 14:57:31 GMT -8
Kind of harsh on the poor guy. After all, the Big 10 is a tough conference, especially this year.
Fleck is 32-23 overall at Minnesota. Not bad for "mediocrity." And he's got a winning record this year.
Haters are everywhere. And everyone thinks their team should be #1.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 15, 2021 13:05:29 GMT -8
That guy is obviously way too young to remember the Joe Salem coaching era and QB Tony Dungheap if he's taking shots at Fleck, who has been the best thing to happen to Gopher football in the last 20 years. Freaking know-it-all, clueless, nothing happened before I was born millennials. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 15, 2021 13:35:41 GMT -8
That guy is obviously way too young to remember the Joe Salem coaching era and QB Tony Dungheap if he's taking shots at Fleck, who has been the best thing to happen to Gopher football in the last 20 years. Freaking know-it-all, clueless, nothing happened before I was born millennials. You think he's a big improvement from Glen Mason? Did you read the whole article? Maybe Mason was more than 20 years ago. If so, my bad. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 15, 2021 14:02:01 GMT -8
That guy is obviously way too young to remember the Joe Salem coaching era and QB Tony Dungheap if he's taking shots at Fleck, who has been the best thing to happen to Gopher football in the last 20 years. Freaking know-it-all, clueless, nothing happened before I was born millennials. You think he's a big improvement from Glen Mason? Did you read the whole article? Maybe Mason was more than 20 years ago. If so, my bad. Glen Mason was only 7 games over .500 there. PJ does still have a losing record in conference, but Gopher fans complaining about mediocrity sound like a lot of Beaver fans that complain about mediocrity. |
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PJ Fraud
Nov 15, 2021 14:24:50 GMT -8
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 15, 2021 14:24:50 GMT -8
You think he's a big improvement from Glen Mason? Did you read the whole article? Maybe Mason was more than 20 years ago. If so, my bad. Glen Mason was only 7 games over .500 there. PJ does still have a losing record in conference, but Gopher fans complaining about mediocrity sound like a lot of Beaver fans that complain about mediocrity. I too thought there were some glaring similarities. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 15, 2021 16:15:28 GMT -8
Better than Mason? Definitely. Mason had one eye on the door the entire time he was at the U.
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PJ Fraud
Nov 15, 2021 17:03:58 GMT -8
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 15, 2021 17:03:58 GMT -8
Better than Mason? Definitely. Mason had one eye on the door the entire time he was at the U. Probably. I took the point to be that they are paying him to be the guy that can finally get them B10 Championships. And beat Iowa. But what they have gotten so far is what they have already had. Call it mediocrity or something else, there’s not much difference in the results. That’s all. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 15, 2021 20:53:39 GMT -8
Better than Mason? Definitely. Mason had one eye on the door the entire time he was at the U. Probably. I took the point to be that they are paying him to be the guy that can finally get them B10 Championships. And beat Iowa. But what they have gotten so far is what they have already had. Call it mediocrity or something else, there’s not much difference in the results. That’s all. Minnesota was 57-70 (.449) from 2007-2016. It is 32-23 (.581) under PJ. That's a pretty substantial difference from what they had in the decade before he arrived, IMHO. He defeated Ga. Tech and Auburn in bowls in 2018 and 2019, the U's first bowl wins over a P5 opponent since 2004. They haven't reached it yet but the Gophs are closer to playing for the conference title than they have been in 15-20 years. Iowa and Wisconsin remain a tough nut to crack for Minnesota, just as they are with many other Big Ten teams. |
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PJ Fraud
Nov 15, 2021 21:07:45 GMT -8
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 15, 2021 21:07:45 GMT -8
Probably. I took the point to be that they are paying him to be the guy that can finally get them B10 Championships. And beat Iowa. But what they have gotten so far is what they have already had. Call it mediocrity or something else, there’s not much difference in the results. That’s all. Minnesota was 57-70 (.449) from 2007-2016. It is 32-23 (.581) under PJ. That's a pretty substantial difference from what they had in the decade before he arrived, IMHO. He defeated Ga. Tech and Auburn in bowls in 2018 and 2019, the U's first bowl wins over a P5 opponent since 2004. They haven't reached it yet but the Gophs are closer to playing for the conference title than they have been in 15-20 years. Iowa and Wisconsin remain a tough nut to crack for Minnesota, just as they are with many other Big Ten teams. I feel compelled to carry this on only because my Grandfather and my dad both attended the University of Minnesota. From the article: Fleck is 2-8 at Minnesota against Top 25 opponents. He is 3-14 against Big Ten opponents with a record above .500, and 0-5 against Iowa and 1-3 against Wisconsin. But those records are consistent with his predecessors. Jerry Kill was 2-14 against Top 25 opponents, 1-3 against Iowa, and 0-4 against Wisconsin. In his first five seasons as head coach, Glen Mason was 3-15 against Top 25 opponents, 3-2 against Iowa, and 1-4 against Wisconsin. Kudos to Mason for that 3-2 record, though he would end up 4-6 in that rivalry series by the end of his tenure. His point is, not a lot of difference. You disagree. Row that boat! |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 16, 2021 7:37:00 GMT -8
Minnesota plays other teams beyond Wisconsin and Iowa. What is his record against other OOC and Big Ten opponents? What is his bowl record? It must be superior, since his overall won-loss record is so much better. But of course the columnist didn't mention that, because those facts didn't fit his narrative.
Fleck is far better than Brewer, Kill and Claves, the three coaches who preceded him. That's my point, something that a college columnist with little or no historical perspective and a "hot take" attitude understands.
As a (non-donor) Gopher fan, looking at the big picture and comparing it to the last 30 years, I'm pretty happy with Fleck. Mr. Hot Take isn't. NBD.
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Post by irimi on Nov 27, 2021 16:35:16 GMT -8
Minnesota complaining today? Don’t think so!
Congratulations Gophers!
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 27, 2021 16:39:32 GMT -8
Minnesota complaining today? Don’t think so! Congratulations Gophers! I told Carl to kill all the gophers |
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Post by irimi on Nov 27, 2021 17:23:06 GMT -8
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PJ Fraud
Nov 27, 2021 17:59:02 GMT -8
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 27, 2021 17:59:02 GMT -8
Congrats to the Golden Gophers on the win! Good luck in the B10 Championship game!
Except they’re not in it, which was the point of the article if you read it.
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