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Post by newduke2 on Dec 19, 2023 16:23:45 GMT -8
Ducks are easily the worst team in the Pac-12 so far this season. Talk about underachieving. Yikes.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 19, 2023 16:38:26 GMT -8
Ducks are easily the worst team in the Pac-12 so far this season. Talk about underachieving. Yikes. Not even close to how bad ASU is.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Dec 19, 2023 16:44:23 GMT -8
The duck fans I know are beside themselves. Their team is imploding and no one knows why other than they don't play defense. The concern is that they won't be able to fix it and that it just becomes toxic to the team.
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Post by newduke2 on Dec 19, 2023 17:18:45 GMT -8
Ducks are easily the worst team in the Pac-12 so far this season. Talk about underachieving. Yikes. Not even close to how bad ASU is. No way is ASU worse than UofO. For example, ASU's 2 blow out losses (20+ points) are to Texas and Arizona. Oregon's 3 blow out losses are to Santa Clara, Portland, and Baylor.
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 19, 2023 17:27:44 GMT -8
Ducks are easily the worst team in the Pac-12 so far this season. Talk about underachieving. Yikes. Not even close to how bad ASU is. uo vs ASU will be absolutely 💯 craptacular.
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Post by markwbeaver on Dec 19, 2023 17:42:13 GMT -8
Like everyone else here, it's hard to figure what is wrong with the Ducks. But here's a likely symptom. Go through their box scores and notice the huge minutes their starters are playing in any game that is not a blowout. Gray, Van Slooten, and Bell are often playing 38, 39 minutes. Bell played 40 minutes against Utah Tech. In the part of the season when new players and bench players are getting "tryouts," their bench players are truly sitting on the bench.
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 19, 2023 18:09:22 GMT -8
Like everyone else here, it's hard to figure what is wrong with the Ducks. But here's a likely symptom. Go through their box scores and notice the huge minutes their starters are playing in any game that is not a blowout. Gray, Van Slooten, and Bell are often playing 38, 39 minutes. Bell played 40 minutes against Utah Tech. In the part of the season when new players and bench players are getting "tryouts," their bench players are truly sitting on the bench. Previous seasons Graves had been spreading the time out to all of the hot recruits and they got mad and left because they didn't get the minutes they figured they deserved. Now he's give all of the time to the select few. Compromise isn't in his vocabulary.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 19, 2023 18:26:13 GMT -8
Some here might want to temper their words. OSU has had some pretty highly rated classes also since like '19-20 yet Oregon is what? Like 18+ games better in Pac12 play since then. And, both have seen plenty of talent come and go.
NC is one thing. But, those who pay attention know it means little come time for Pac12 competition. And, that the "transitive" property of inequality doesn't apply to comparing scores of even similar opponents, let alone differing ones.
I read much of the same during the last two pre-seasons. Along with some disappointing seasons due to high expectations before that. I'm curious to see how it all pans out when the "real" games start.
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Post by speakthetruth on Dec 19, 2023 18:37:51 GMT -8
I think I know what has happened to the ducks- they are on a downward trajectory since some assistant coach named Campbell left.
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Post by bvrbooster on Dec 19, 2023 18:54:00 GMT -8
rmancarl -- very nice overview of Oregon's dumpster fire of a non-conf schedule.... If those of us here at Bernice's are having trouble figuring out the Beavs, the fans on their board must be going ape-ass crazy..... As you rightfully point out, they've got 3 VERY strong players in VanSlooten, Gary and Kyei - two more solids in Bell and P. Williams...Those 5 players are a VERY good start to producing a good team.... So what the hell is going on over there I really don't know. I do not follow them as a team in any meaningful way - but I have followed several of their key players for several years, and, in my view, they have an impressive collection of players to build on.... I expected them to go thru their non-conf schedule with only one loss... Oregon Athletics has put a LOT of money and a ton of promo into their WBB program, they have recruited cream-of-the-crop players from across the nation, they've hired a name-recognition WNBA star for cameo appearances, and here they are delivering 3 totally crapola games before December 20. Kinda brings a smile to your face doesn't it!! GO BEAVS!! Whadaya mean, 'kinda'?
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Dec 19, 2023 19:51:21 GMT -8
Some here might want to temper their words. OSU has had some pretty highly rated classes also since like '19-20 yet Oregon is what? Like 18+ games better in Pac12 play since then. And, both have seen plenty of talent come and go. NC is one thing. But, those who pay attention know it means little come time for Pac12 competition. And, that the "transitive" property of inequality doesn't apply to comparing scores of even similar opponents, let alone differing ones. I read much of the same during the last two pre-seasons. Along with some disappointing seasons due to high expectations before that. I'm curious to see how it all pans out when the "real" games start. I’m also curious. They have talent and size, and it wouldn’t shock me to see the ducks sort things out. Plus, OSU has been able to split the past few years despite being a pretty heavy underdog. Also curious - will you be rooting for OSU or UO on 12/31, or are you indifferent?
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Post by bvrbooster on Dec 19, 2023 20:25:21 GMT -8
Some here might want to temper their words. OSU has had some pretty highly rated classes also since like '19-20 yet Oregon is what? Like 18+ games better in Pac12 play since then. And, both have seen plenty of talent come and go. NC is one thing. But, those who pay attention know it means little come time for Pac12 competition. And, that the "transitive" property of inequality doesn't apply to comparing scores of even similar opponents, let alone differing ones. I read much of the same during the last two pre-seasons. Along with some disappointing seasons due to high expectations before that. I'm curious to see how it all pans out when the "real" games start. Why on earth would we want to temper our words? If the Ducks come storming back and win 20 in a row (after Uncle Phil has the 3 point shot outlawed), do we want to be able to say, "I'm so glad I didn't enjoy the Ducks stinking up the joint in November and December. Thank God I didn't whoop for joy and just generally walk around with a smile on my face and gleefully talk about their ineptness with my friends. Much better to have wagged my finger and cast icy stares at those who delighted in it, and warned them that Oregon would be back." Nah, I don't think so. I'm not tempering anything. The deliciousness of a hated team's demise comes in anticipating it and savoring every step along the way. So I believe I'll spew untempered words right up through 2:00 PM on New Year's Eve, and then, hopefully, all the way to Oregon's departure from the conference in a blowout loss in the first round in Las Vegas.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 19, 2023 20:38:48 GMT -8
Some here might want to temper their words. OSU has had some pretty highly rated classes also since like '19-20 yet Oregon is what? Like 18+ games better in Pac12 play since then. And, both have seen plenty of talent come and go. NC is one thing. But, those who pay attention know it means little come time for Pac12 competition. And, that the "transitive" property of inequality doesn't apply to comparing scores of even similar opponents, let alone differing ones. I read much of the same during the last two pre-seasons. Along with some disappointing seasons due to high expectations before that. I'm curious to see how it all pans out when the "real" games start. I’m also curious. They have talent and size, and it wouldn’t shock me to see the ducks sort things out. Plus, OSU has been able to split the past few years despite being a pretty heavy underdog. Also curious - will you be rooting for OSU or UO on 12/31, or are you indifferent? ??I always root for OSU... I just find it a weird that so many who despise said team to post about uckville regularly. Then to openly disparage a team for things that are similar in many regards to the team they root for is also a bit funny. Especially when Oregon been more successful overall in recent seasons. Some fans can be 100% behind a university/teams, without having to disparage opponents, even if a rival. Some choose the other route. No biggie. Actually letting this team play some Pac12 competition, tempering some might lessen some of the hypocritical crap we've read the last two seasons. Pro the team makeup, pro the system, pro SR, etc for the entire NC... then. I mean it is a 4-14 Pac12 team with new "cogs", and key pieces with zero Pac12 experience. In a very tough conference. So, personally I'm not sure what to expect. Poll? Not that it means squat, as with MBB board I'd be curious to see what others see as a Pac12 record. Personally, 9-9 would be a significant jump and with 10 NC wins (solid in thinking 10 at least) a win or two in the Pac12 tourney is a NCAA bid for sure.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 19, 2023 20:40:46 GMT -8
Some here might want to temper their words. OSU has had some pretty highly rated classes also since like '19-20 yet Oregon is what? Like 18+ games better in Pac12 play since then. And, both have seen plenty of talent come and go. NC is one thing. But, those who pay attention know it means little come time for Pac12 competition. And, that the "transitive" property of inequality doesn't apply to comparing scores of even similar opponents, let alone differing ones. I read much of the same during the last two pre-seasons. Along with some disappointing seasons due to high expectations before that. I'm curious to see how it all pans out when the "real" games start. Why on earth would we want to temper our words? If the Ducks come storming back and win 20 in a row (after Uncle Phil has the 3 point shot outlawed), do we want to be able to say, "I'm so glad I didn't enjoy the Ducks stinking up the joint in November and December. Thank God I didn't whoop for joy and just generally walk around with a smile on my face and gleefully talk about their ineptness with my friends. Much better to have wagged my finger and cast icy stares at those who delighted in it, and warned them that Oregon would be back." Nah, I don't think so. I'm not tempering anything. The deliciousness of a hated team's demise comes in anticipating it and savoring every step along the way. So I believe I'll spew untempered words right up through 2:00 PM on New Year's Eve, and then, hopefully, all the way to Oregon's departure from the conference in a blowout loss in the first round in Las Vegas. Glad to see you waste so much energy and emotion on something you supposedly don't care about!? By the way, it wasn't meant to be a directive. You do you...
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Post by sparty on Dec 20, 2023 9:15:15 GMT -8
I want to know if anyone thinks Graves looks like Shrek? 😆
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