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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 23, 2021 21:05:47 GMT -8
..Oregon HS products on 2021-22 Pac-12 WBB rosters.
OSU - Mannen
Stanford - Brink
ASU - Erikstrup
UA - Yeaney, Vonleh
None on UO, UW, WSU, CAL, UCLA, USC, CU, UU.
Does this say anything one way or the other about girls HS BB in our State?
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Post by greybeav on Oct 24, 2021 10:57:52 GMT -8
So, I was hoping to find some statics that might explain some of that. We all know CA is huge, 39 million, WA 7 million, OR 4 million population and a percent of those being HS BB players. I looked to see if anyone compiled the # of HS players by state, all I found so far was this site which is a bit behind but shows the trends of boys and girls playing BB in total, quite even it seems: www.statista.com/statistics/267942/participation-in-us-high-school-basketball/It would be tough to learn things like quality of coaching, improvements in facilities, etc. by state so, basically, I got nothing. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Oct 24, 2021 11:03:03 GMT -8
I checked the Hoopgurlz top 100 rankings for 2016 through 2022, and there were only 4 from the state of Oregon - Westbrook and Goodman in 2017, Brink in 2020, and Vonleh in 2021. So 4 out of 700 could certainly be construed as an indicator that Oregon is not exactly a hotbed for girls HS BB.
With the great success of the 2 college programs in recent years, however, and the rapid growth of their fan bases and coverage of their games, it will be interesting to see if that starts to change. Will more young female athletes choose basketball as their primary sport, resulting in a betterment of the talent pool?
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Post by beaveragain on Oct 24, 2021 12:36:30 GMT -8
Ok, decided to check this out.
Oregon- 4.2 million 6 players in pac-12
Washington- 7.6 15
Nevada- 3.0 2
Utah- 3.2 2
Colorado 5.7 7
Arizona 7.2 7
California 39.5 36
My takeaways are-
You get about one Pac-12 player/million.
Oregon is a little ahead of the curve and Washington is really ahead of the curve.
And without adding them up, I'd guess after looking at rosters that most of the players are not from the US.
Also the rest of the West put together does not come close to the population of California by itself. But it's ok because we have 20 senators and they get 2! Bwaaaahhaaaa!
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Oct 24, 2021 14:09:51 GMT -8
Oregon used to be a hotbed of talent for women's basketball but that was quite a while ago.
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Post by ricke71 on Oct 24, 2021 16:03:59 GMT -8
Ok, decided to check this out. Oregon- 4.2 million 6 players in pac-12 Washington- 7.6 15 Nevada- 3.0 2 Utah- 3.2 2 Colorado 5.7 7 Arizona 7.2 7 California 39.5 36 My takeaways are- You get about one Pac-12 player/million. Oregon is a little ahead of the curve and Washington is really ahead of the curve. And without adding them up, I'd guess after looking at rosters that most of the players are not from the US. Also the rest of the West put together does not come close to the population of California by itself. But it's ok because we have 20 senators and they get 2! Bwaaaahhaaaa! Thanks for this information. Oregon isn't exactly a hotbed for girls basketball people. But it is well above average in the 'PAC-12 west' as a producer of High School girls basketball talent...surpassing California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona and Colorado in PAC-12 level WBB players, per capita. |
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Post by sparty on Oct 24, 2021 18:00:03 GMT -8
Oregon used to be a hotbed of talent for women's basketball but that was quite a while ago. Is it fair to say that at one time Oregon City was cranking out Pac-12 players. Brad Smith was a hell of a coach.
The 1996 Oregon City team: The Pioneers (26-0) won every game by at least 16 points, and their 51-29 win over Glencoe in the state final was their closest game against an Oregon team. They won four state tournament games by an average of 33.8 points.
Here is some fun stuff to read, do you remember some of the names scattered among the various years? Such as Lindsey Yamasaki (Stanford)?
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Oct 24, 2021 18:23:04 GMT -8
Oregon used to be a hotbed of talent for women's basketball but that was quite a while ago. Is it fair to say that at one time Oregon City was cranking out Pac-12 players. Brad Smith was a hell of a coach.
The 1996 Oregon City team: The Pioneers (26-0) won every game by at least 16 points, and their 51-29 win over Glencoe in the state final was their closest game against an Oregon team. They won four state tournament games by an average of 33.8 points.
Here is some fun stuff to read, do you remember some of the names scattered among the various years? Such as Lindsey Yamasaki (Stanford)?
During that stretch they were under ranked. After a few years of that they were considered 5th (iirc) in the nation. They took a trip where they played numbers 4, 3, 2, and finally 1 on their home courts. They handedly won all four games. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 25, 2021 5:17:43 GMT -8
Ok, decided to check this out. Oregon- 4.2 million 6 players in pac-12 Washington- 7.6 15 Nevada- 3.0 2 Utah- 3.2 2 Colorado 5.7 7 Arizona 7.2 7 California 39.5 36 My takeaways are- You get about one Pac-12 player/million. Oregon is a little ahead of the curve and Washington is really ahead of the curve. And without adding them up, I'd guess after looking at rosters that most of the players are not from the US. Also the rest of the West put together does not come close to the population of California by itself. But it's ok because we have 20 senators and they get 2! Bwaaaahhaaaa! You might put an asterisk by Oregon’s “6 players”. With all due respect to Noelle, she wasn’t recruited by any D1 programs. She’s not likely to see the court in any games where the outcome hasn’t already been decided. While she has earned a scholarship, that’s due much more to her loyalty and spirit than to any true D1 level skills. |
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Post by greybeav on Oct 25, 2021 7:35:53 GMT -8
Coach Rueck and others often talk about her value in practice and scrimmaging, especially when we were so short handed. Good for her !
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Post by 411500 on Oct 25, 2021 7:50:05 GMT -8
Werebeaver - Noelle might not have the skills to get much floor time on a PAC 12 WBB team. But, I think you're off base when you say she doesn't have D1 level skills.
D1 WBB currently has about 350 programs in the country - many of them compete at a level considerably below PAC-12 ball.
Under the "A" column in WBB we have Abilene Christian, Alabama A & M, Alcorn State, Appalachian State, and so forth.
Noelle has D1 skills, but probably not enough to see much game time in the toughest D1 conference in the country.
You write that her scholarship is due much more to her loyalty and spirit than her true D1 level skills....You might also add that she can run the offence, that she enhances the operation of daily practices, and she can hit her 3s.
And my money says we will see her in several games "where the outcome hasn't already been decided" before her OSU career comes to an end.
You said: "With all due respect to Noelle...." when, indeed, your comments showed no respect at all.
GO BEAVS!!
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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 25, 2021 8:38:26 GMT -8
Werebeaver - Noelle might not have the skills to get much floor time on a PAC 12 WBB team. But, I think you're off base when you say she doesn't have D1 level skills. D1 WBB currently has about 350 programs in the country - many of them compete at a level considerably below PAC-12 ball. Under the "A" column in WBB we have Abilene Christian, Alabama A & M, Alcorn State, Appalachian State, and so forth. Noelle has D1 skills, but probably not enough to see much game time in the toughest D1 conference in the country. You write that her scholarship is due much more to her loyalty and spirit than her true D1 level skills....You might also add that she can run the offence, that she enhances the operation of daily practices, and she can hit her 3s. And my money says we will see her in several games "where the outcome hasn't already been decided" before her OSU career comes to an end. You said: "With all due respect to Noelle...." when, indeed, your comments showed no respect at all. GO BEAVS!! Sorry if I offended anyone. Certainly was not my intent. We’ll see how Noelle’s role on the team progresses for the remainder of her career. To date, she joined the team as a walk-on with no other D1 scholarship offers that I’m aware of (UP? PSU?). If she had she’d be there instead of here. And to date her PT has been limited to non-critical game situations. I wish her nothing but the best and would be happy to be proved wrong in the future. I have a special spot in my heart for home-grown OSU WBB players (Martin, Siegner, Hunter, McWilliams, Goodman, et al). |
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Post by beaverstever on Oct 25, 2021 19:20:17 GMT -8
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