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Post by korculabeav on Oct 5, 2021 12:49:46 GMT -8
I think the WSU run game is not equal to ours ! We are going to need a very disruptive pass rush combined with downfield coverage , as well as a linebacker to key on the QB taking off ! Barring injuries , we should be able to run at least as good as we did vs the huskies. We need more of the fly sweeps and plays off of that action. Our ability to pass should be improved due to getting past issues vs huskies defense .Need some more action going across the middle on quick action passes ! Also. quicker reads out of the backfield for protected screens using the tight ends and a fullback ( Coletto ). If we can stay up through the game , I see us winning by 10-14 ! I was looking at the pac 12 defensive stats. I was pleasantly surprised we are tied for #2 in the conference in sacking the other team. USC leads the conf with 16 and we have 12. WSU has 8. I like the thinking here... however... with a mobile QB... sacks are harder to come by and an aggressive upfield rush can open up the running lanes. In all categories listed we have a superior defense to WSU. My heart says we are going to win... but last years game is clouding my judgement. USC stopped that mobile QB. We can do the same.
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Post by seastape on Oct 5, 2021 12:57:28 GMT -8
It's a conference road game. OSU is going to have to play well in all aspects of the game to win.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Oct 5, 2021 13:17:31 GMT -8
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 5, 2021 13:28:01 GMT -8
Well their passing game didn’t look that way ......Nolan made very few good throws.....last TD Drive was only time he had a couple of good passes on a drive. To win in Palouse, we will need a better passing game. I’m hoping our defense continues to shine and get more pressure on their QB. We didn’t have an answer for UW wildcat formation so Smith needs to get a solution for that due to the mobility of WSU quarterback. If we do that.....I like our chances Maybe, I'll need to rewatch the game but I didn't see alot of bad throws by Nolan. Correct me if I'm wrong, but was he missing guys? I saw several drops that were part of the problem. Case in point, the very first past to Musgrave. He was wide open, but the DB made a break on the ball and broke it up. Musgrave seemed to sit and wait for the ball to reach him rather than work his way back to ball. If he works his way back to the ball, he makes the catch. They just didn't allow Nolan to get into a rhythm. Those DBs did blanket the receivers pretty well though. Incompletion #1: The Huskies drop eight into a zone. No pass rush to speak of. Nolan probably has an easy five, if he tucks it and runs. Musgrave comes wide open. He is not open, if he comes closer. Nolan takes four steps before finding him and floating it. Kyler Gordon read Nolan's eyes and broke on the ball. A good read or a good pass, and that is a big gainer. Instead, incomplete. Incompletion #2: Oregon State calls a screen pass. Washington blitzes but has a man to guard Lowe. A good pass and that is a huge gainer. Instead, Nolan, with men in his face, throws it behind Lowe. Nolan is lucky that it was not intercepted. Incompletion #3: Washington drops seven. Something akin to a quick slant to Musgrave. Nolan locks on to Musgrave early. Six Huskies all read Nolan's eyes and converge on Musgrave. There is a very narrow window. Nolan throws it behind Musgrave, which allows Gordon to break up the pass. If Nolan would have lead him too much, it would have been an interception. Tight, tight window and the pocket was already collapsing I am not sure that there was a better throw. A receiver was wide open down the left hand side but had just come open after Nolan threw the ball. Interception: Blitz with a two deep zone. Stupid pass. Nolan overthrew the receiver by at least three yards. Right to the safety. Incompletion #4: Nolan hits Lindsey right in the hands for what should have been a first down. Lindsey hears footsteps and drops it. Good route. Good pass. Bad catch. Incompletion #5: Fenwick is wide open, but Nolan throws low. An above average receiver makes that catch, but there was absolutely zero reason for that ball to be that off target. Incompletion #6: Bradford is open. Nolan hits him perfectly. Trent McDuffie (who I am guessing covered Bradford all night, because Bradford completely disappeared) covers Bradford almost perfectly. Bradford straight up beat McDuffie on the route, but Bradford just dropped it. Incompletion #7: Harrison is wide open. Nolan throws it as far as he can, which is a yard or two too short. It probably was pass interference, but the refs did not bail out Nolan. It was such a bad pass that it gave Mishael Powell enough time to make a play. Two or three (depending on how you view incompletion #3) of the incompletions clearly were not Nolan's fault. The other 5-6, though, were not good throws.
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Post by kersting13 on Oct 5, 2021 13:43:31 GMT -8
Maybe, I'll need to rewatch the game but I didn't see alot of bad throws by Nolan. Correct me if I'm wrong, but was he missing guys? I saw several drops that were part of the problem. Case in point, the very first past to Musgrave. He was wide open, but the DB made a break on the ball and broke it up. Musgrave seemed to sit and wait for the ball to reach him rather than work his way back to ball. If he works his way back to the ball, he makes the catch. They just didn't allow Nolan to get into a rhythm. Those DBs did blanket the receivers pretty well though. Incompletion #1: The Huskies drop eight into a zone. No pass rush to speak of. Nolan probably has an easy five, if he tucks it and runs. Musgrave comes wide open. He is not open, if he comes closer. Nolan takes four steps before finding him and floating it. Kyler Gordon read Nolan's eyes and broke on the ball. A good read or a good pass, and that is a big gainer. Instead, incomplete. Incompletion #2: Oregon State calls a screen pass. Washington blitzes but has a man to guard Lowe. A good pass and that is a huge gainer. Instead, Nolan, with men in his face, throws it behind Lowe. Nolan is lucky that it was not intercepted. Incompletion #3: Washington drops seven. Something akin to a quick slant to Musgrave. Nolan locks on to Musgrave early. Six Huskies all read Nolan's eyes and converge on Musgrave. There is a very narrow window. Nolan throws it behind Musgrave, which allows Gordon to break up the pass. If Nolan would have lead him too much, it would have been an interception. Tight, tight window and the pocket was already collapsing I am not sure that there was a better throw. A receiver was wide open down the left hand side but had just come open after Nolan threw the ball. Interception: Blitz with a two deep zone. Stupid pass. Nolan overthrew the receiver by at least three yards. Right to the safety. Incompletion #4: Nolan hits Lindsey right in the hands for what should have been a first down. Lindsey hears footsteps and drops it. Good route. Good pass. Bad catch. Incompletion #5: Fenwick is wide open, but Nolan throws low. An above average receiver makes that catch, but there was absolutely zero reason for that ball to be that off target. Incompletion #6: Bradford is open. Nolan hits him perfectly. Trent McDuffie (who I am guessing covered Bradford all night, because Bradford completely disappeared) covers Bradford almost perfectly. Bradford straight up beat McDuffie on the route, but Bradford just dropped it. Incompletion #7: Harrison is wide open. Nolan throws it as far as he can, which is a yard or two too short. It probably was pass interference, but the refs did not bail out Nolan. It was such a bad pass that it gave Mishael Powell enough time to make a play. Two or three (depending on how you view incompletion #3) of the incompletions clearly were not Nolan's fault. The other 5-6, though, were not good throws. Yeah, incompletion #1 sucked. Nolan too late and lobbed it too high. 1/10th of a second quicker, or not such a lob, and it's a nice play. On the interception - it was a bad pass, but Nolan also had pressure in his face. I do believe the pressure was at least partially responsible for the overthrow.
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 5, 2021 14:20:42 GMT -8
I think the WSU run game is not equal to ours ! We are going to need a very disruptive pass rush combined with downfield coverage , as well as a linebacker to key on the QB taking off ! Barring injuries , we should be able to run at least as good as we did vs the huskies. We need more of the fly sweeps and plays off of that action. Our ability to pass should be improved due to getting past issues vs huskies defense .Need some more action going across the middle on quick action passes ! Also. quicker reads out of the backfield for protected screens using the tight ends and a fullback ( Coletto ). If we can stay up through the game , I see us winning by 10-14 ! I was looking at the pac 12 defensive stats. I was pleasantly surprised we are tied for #2 in the conference in sacking the other team. USC leads the conf with 16 and we have 12. WSU has 8. I like the thinking here... however... with a mobile QB... sacks are harder to come by and an aggressive upfield rush can open up the running lanes. In all categories listed we have a superior defense to WSU. My heart says we are going to win... but last years game is clouding my judgement. ” I like the thinking here... however... with a mobile QB... sacks are harder to come by and an aggressive upfield rush can open up the running lanes.” True, but my answer to that is Avery Roberts and Omar Speights!
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Post by dryside on Oct 5, 2021 14:43:03 GMT -8
Last year's coog game was hard to watch. Freshman qb starting his first game and first road conference game. Granted our defense was not that great all year long however, we had a poor defensive game plan.We brought zero pressure on their rookie qb. We allowed him time to get comfortable and find his rhythm. Then we allowed him to run at will. That game was over before halftime.
We now have more experience on defense plus better talent AND we look and play more physical. We are running more blitz packages.We don't have to be so basic and predictable. The #1 thing we do better is tackle! We have some youth in the defensive backfield and they get flagged but they NEVER back off or back down ! I expect a better effort from Nolan and more run game to control T.O.P. When the cougs get tired of trying to tackle then Nolan can have a say in the outcome......
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Post by beaverstever on Oct 5, 2021 14:51:57 GMT -8
Maybe, I'll need to rewatch the game but I didn't see alot of bad throws by Nolan. Correct me if I'm wrong, but was he missing guys? I saw several drops that were part of the problem. Case in point, the very first past to Musgrave. He was wide open, but the DB made a break on the ball and broke it up. Musgrave seemed to sit and wait for the ball to reach him rather than work his way back to ball. If he works his way back to the ball, he makes the catch. They just didn't allow Nolan to get into a rhythm. Those DBs did blanket the receivers pretty well though. Incompletion #1: The Huskies drop eight into a zone. No pass rush to speak of. Nolan probably has an easy five, if he tucks it and runs. Musgrave comes wide open. He is not open, if he comes closer. Nolan takes four steps before finding him and floating it. Kyler Gordon read Nolan's eyes and broke on the ball. A good read or a good pass, and that is a big gainer. Instead, incomplete. Incompletion #2: Oregon State calls a screen pass. Washington blitzes but has a man to guard Lowe. A good pass and that is a huge gainer. Instead, Nolan, with men in his face, throws it behind Lowe. Nolan is lucky that it was not intercepted. Incompletion #3: Washington drops seven. Something akin to a quick slant to Musgrave. Nolan locks on to Musgrave early. Six Huskies all read Nolan's eyes and converge on Musgrave. There is a very narrow window. Nolan throws it behind Musgrave, which allows Gordon to break up the pass. If Nolan would have lead him too much, it would have been an interception. Tight, tight window and the pocket was already collapsing I am not sure that there was a better throw. A receiver was wide open down the left hand side but had just come open after Nolan threw the ball. Interception: Blitz with a two deep zone. Stupid pass. Nolan overthrew the receiver by at least three yards. Right to the safety. Incompletion #4: Nolan hits Lindsey right in the hands for what should have been a first down. Lindsey hears footsteps and drops it. Good route. Good pass. Bad catch. Incompletion #5: Fenwick is wide open, but Nolan throws low. An above average receiver makes that catch, but there was absolutely zero reason for that ball to be that off target. Incompletion #6: Bradford is open. Nolan hits him perfectly. Trent McDuffie (who I am guessing covered Bradford all night, because Bradford completely disappeared) covers Bradford almost perfectly. Bradford straight up beat McDuffie on the route, but Bradford just dropped it. Incompletion #7: Harrison is wide open. Nolan throws it as far as he can, which is a yard or two too short. It probably was pass interference, but the refs did not bail out Nolan. It was such a bad pass that it gave Mishael Powell enough time to make a play. Two or three (depending on how you view incompletion #3) of the incompletions clearly were not Nolan's fault. The other 5-6, though, were not good throws. I didn't think #7 was that bad of a pass IMO. It was short, but not that short, and I thought Powell played the route very well - he did get a piece of Harrison, but agreed with the non-PI call. I thought Harrison could have made it a completion had he been more aggressive going after the ball. Nolan didn't seem to be setting his feet for throws well, but I didn't think he did it very well vs. USC either. I will say he can set is feet and release a pass very quickly, and the game does look like it needs to slow down for him a bit. He got away with it vs. USC, but his style probably means he has less margin for error in his fundamentals when he speeds up a little.
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Post by vhalum92 on Oct 5, 2021 15:10:57 GMT -8
Incompletion #1: The Huskies drop eight into a zone. No pass rush to speak of. Nolan probably has an easy five, if he tucks it and runs. Musgrave comes wide open. He is not open, if he comes closer. Nolan takes four steps before finding him and floating it. Kyler Gordon read Nolan's eyes and broke on the ball. A good read or a good pass, and that is a big gainer. Instead, incomplete. Incompletion #2: Oregon State calls a screen pass. Washington blitzes but has a man to guard Lowe. A good pass and that is a huge gainer. Instead, Nolan, with men in his face, throws it behind Lowe. Nolan is lucky that it was not intercepted. Incompletion #3: Washington drops seven. Something akin to a quick slant to Musgrave. Nolan locks on to Musgrave early. Six Huskies all read Nolan's eyes and converge on Musgrave. There is a very narrow window. Nolan throws it behind Musgrave, which allows Gordon to break up the pass. If Nolan would have lead him too much, it would have been an interception. Tight, tight window and the pocket was already collapsing I am not sure that there was a better throw. A receiver was wide open down the left hand side but had just come open after Nolan threw the ball. Interception: Blitz with a two deep zone. Stupid pass. Nolan overthrew the receiver by at least three yards. Right to the safety. Incompletion #4: Nolan hits Lindsey right in the hands for what should have been a first down. Lindsey hears footsteps and drops it. Good route. Good pass. Bad catch. Incompletion #5: Fenwick is wide open, but Nolan throws low. An above average receiver makes that catch, but there was absolutely zero reason for that ball to be that off target. Incompletion #6: Bradford is open. Nolan hits him perfectly. Trent McDuffie (who I am guessing covered Bradford all night, because Bradford completely disappeared) covers Bradford almost perfectly. Bradford straight up beat McDuffie on the route, but Bradford just dropped it. Incompletion #7: Harrison is wide open. Nolan throws it as far as he can, which is a yard or two too short. It probably was pass interference, but the refs did not bail out Nolan. It was such a bad pass that it gave Mishael Powell enough time to make a play. Two or three (depending on how you view incompletion #3) of the incompletions clearly were not Nolan's fault. The other 5-6, though, were not good throws. I didn't think #7 was that bad of a pass IMO. It was short, but not that short, and I thought Powell played the route very well - he did get a piece of Harrison, but agreed with the non-PI call. I thought Harrison could have made it a completion had he been more aggressive going after the ball. Nolan didn't seem to be setting his feet for throws well, but I didn't think he did it very well vs. USC either. I will say he can set is feet and release a pass very quickly, and the game does look like it needs to slow down for him a bit. He got away with it vs. USC, but his style probably means he has less margin for error in his fundamentals when he speeds up a little. Interesting... when asked at the Presser about how to get Nolan back on track ol Niner brought up the fundamentals and footwork. I think you and the Coach are on to something. Good news is that can be fixed. Much like the DBs fixing there hand grabbing and that being a non factor against UW. We have good coaches who coach up our players... and players who are coachable
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Post by justdamwin on Oct 5, 2021 20:22:24 GMT -8
Oregon state is the better team. Weather won’t be a factor. There’s no superstar like London (or Bell) on WSU. Borghi will get his yards, rest of the WSU offense is ho-hum. OSU Dline is way better then last few years, just better players. The Beaver Oline will dominate the LOS. The beaver passing game will be efficient enough. Score will be close into the fourth and we will be in the edge of our seats because of the offense the offense the Cougars run. Oregon State win this one 37-27
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Post by irimi on Oct 5, 2021 21:26:28 GMT -8
We have the better offense. Wazzu won’t defend the pass as well as UW. So we should see the ground game making space for the passing game.
Coug’s offense hasn’t been great. Borghi is good, but I doubt he will be as effective in a non-Leach offense.
I think our coaches are doing a great job getting the team ready for each game and making necessary adjustments. I don’t think Rolovich is there yet.
That being said, it is college football and it is on the Palouse. I expect a clear win from the Beavs, not the Cougs giving one away in the fourth.
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Post by abureid on Oct 5, 2021 21:44:28 GMT -8
OL will win the game in the 2nd half, coog front 7 will have hands on hips the entire 4q. Depptired defense will force coog O to take chances, Beaver defense will take advantage and ice game with some big plays.
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Post by Ruh Roh Beav on Oct 5, 2021 22:21:19 GMT -8
Well their passing game didn’t look that way ......Nolan made very few good throws.....last TD Drive was only time he had a couple of good passes on a drive. To win in Palouse, we will need a better passing game. I’m hoping our defense continues to shine and get more pressure on their QB. We didn’t have an answer for UW wildcat formation so Smith needs to get a solution for that due to the mobility of WSU quarterback. If we do that.....I like our chances Maybe, I'll need to rewatch the game but I didn't see alot of bad throws by Nolan. Correct me if I'm wrong, but was he missing guys? I saw several drops that were part of the problem. Case in point, the very first past to Musgrave. He was wide open, but the DB made a break on the ball and broke it up. Musgrave seemed to sit and wait for the ball to reach him rather than work his way back to ball. If he works his way back to the ball, he makes the catch. They just didn't allow Nolan to get into a rhythm. Those DBs did blanket the receivers pretty well though. I watched the 60 minute version again tonight.....on the interception, I think he got pressured and some contact was made to affect his throw. Aside from that, he had several passes that just weren’t placed very well....low, behind etc. While it could have been in part caused by UW pressure, he will need to improve his game and decision making to get the passing game more involved. The offensive line and Baylor/Fenwick/Colletto are doing great but I’m a little worried about the continual wear and tear on the running corps if we can’t provide a better offensive balance
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Post by vhalum92 on Oct 6, 2021 7:53:04 GMT -8
I caught the replay of WSU Cal last night... or started watching it. Only made it through the 1st quarter. Seeing those two play is helping my confidnece. But... having said that Calvin Jackson JR, the WSU receiver made an amazing one handed TD catch in the 1st quarter. But I agree... and I'm seeing the path to victory! After the 1st quarter, only WSU scored a TD the rest of the game. I knew Cal was bad...
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Post by irimi on Oct 6, 2021 8:15:00 GMT -8
I caught the replay of WSU Cal last night... or started watching it. Only made it through the 1st quarter. Seeing those two play is helping my confidnece. But... having said that Calvin Jackson JR, the WSU receiver made an amazing one handed TD catch in the 1st quarter. But I agree... and I'm seeing the path to victory! After the 1st quarter, only WSU scored a TD the rest of the game. I knew Cal was bad... This is what I see, too. Sure, they’ll get a couple photo worthy receptions. Calvin Jackson is very talented, but they won’t be able to hold us off. Cougs are down this year, and it’s a hard climb back up. Plus, they have had a lot of movement at QB for whatever reason, and I like that whoever gets the nod hasn’t played full time with the team.
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