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Post by avidbeaver on Jun 18, 2016 18:47:21 GMT -8
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Post by eugenedave on Jun 18, 2016 20:44:32 GMT -8
Typical great Eggers article. Thanks for the link.
So who dropped the ball at OSU, as far as lobbying for us in the post season goes?
Pat is smart to realize there's more to life than money. Being happy and in a happy place for your family is what really matters.
Sounds like the incoming class is really special. Surprised that Eggers thinks all five of our draftees will sign. Time will tell on that one.
Tragic news on the loss of T-Mo's father to cancer (on June 4th). No wonder he has looked profoundly sad for much of the season. Beaver Nation mourns the loss with you, Trevor.
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hof99
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Post by hof99 on Jun 19, 2016 6:28:56 GMT -8
Yes, this must be a sad day for T Mo. Good luck in achieving all of your goals in the future. We all enjoyed watching you play and compete.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Jun 19, 2016 9:20:47 GMT -8
Most important news:
The Beavers will return three pitchers who also underwent Tommy John surgery — ace starter Drew Rasmussen, who was lost for the season in late March; and sophomore Sam Tweedt and freshman David Brosius, who both redshirted. Tweedt and Brosius will be ready for the start of the season; Rasmussen “is going to be close,” Casey said. “The way he works, I’d bet on it.”
If Drew can be ready to go, we look to be stacked across the board.
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Post by beavaristotle on Jun 19, 2016 9:37:52 GMT -8
tommy john is usually a 16 month recovery, don't look for much out of Drew next season. thoughts and prayers to TMO, tough burden to bear during the season for that young man.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 19, 2016 22:07:35 GMT -8
Most important news: The Beavers will return three pitchers who also underwent Tommy John surgery — ace starter Drew Rasmussen, who was lost for the season in late March; and sophomore Sam Tweedt and freshman David Brosius, who both redshirted. Tweedt and Brosius will be ready for the start of the season; Rasmussen “is going to be close,” Casey said. “The way he works, I’d bet on it.” If Drew can be ready to go, we look to be stacked across the board. "Stacked" ? Drew coming back anytime before the 15-16 month mark is a huge mistake for him personally. Tweedt was a non-league guy... no real experience in Pac 12 play, and a year removed from D1 ball. Brosius... I will take a wait and see. He was not overly impressive in the 6A ranks and has very inefficient throwing technique, that is largely responsible for his injury. Plus... not an inning of D1 work. I'd say we are far far from stacked. It's Fehmel and a prayer right now.
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hof99
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Post by hof99 on Jun 20, 2016 10:16:09 GMT -8
You 'may be' right on Drew. However, there are examples of guys that have come back in 12 months. Tweedt throws, or threw, very well in his limited appearances. Brosius is a 'type of pitcher' like we need. We have way too many hard throwers, we need that quirky guy that keeps the hitters off balance and throws strikes.I think we saw that with our freshman this year, always around the plate - used his defense and did not tire or 'wig out' in tense situations (alaThompson and many of our relievers). Anybody at D1 level can hit a fastball - staying on top of changing speeds and a guy that can throw 4 pitches for strikes , is a different matter all together. That is why Burke, from UCLA, was so successful. My concern is how our pitching coach rolls out the weekend starters and how he uses the relievers. It almost seemed like he had no idea what trigger to pull until the last two weekends of the year. Yes, it's a tough role - but the guy showed he could do it I the past - and, even with the injuries, he should be able to gauge who is and who is not, ready.. Last, but not least, we toyed way too much with the top and bottom of the lineup. Kwan is a situational hitter or a designated hunter. Donahue, should lead off. Then , we need a spray hitter and hunter, then Madrigal - who I think will show a lot more extra base power next year. Then Harrison, if he can cut down on K's, otherwise move him to the 5 spot and put one of the young big guys ( Anderson), in the 4 hole. He reminds me a lot of a bigger Hendrix and he has an excellent glove. The catcher role should probably go to a new young guy, because we get at least three years working with a young pitching staff versus the one we would get from Harrison - who has really developed at first base. Everything else is going to have some plus scenarios. A wealth of infielders, speedy outfielders and quality speed at the plate. Congratulations to Eggers, the best sports cover guy in the State. Only guy I enjoy more is SI's Rick Reilly. Go Beavers !
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 20, 2016 12:49:10 GMT -8
Typical great Eggers article. Thanks for the link. So who dropped the ball at OSU, as far as lobbying for us in the post season goes? Pat is smart to realize there's more to life than money. Being happy and in a happy place for your family is what really matters. Sounds like the incoming class is really special. Surprised that Eggers thinks all five of our draftees will sign. Time will tell on that one. Tragic news on the loss of T-Mo's father to cancer (on June 4th). No wonder he has looked profoundly sad for much of the season. Beaver Nation mourns the loss with you, Trevor. I believe that Pat Casey is saying that South Alabama's AD did not have his facts straight, so the Pac-12 representative (Washington's head coach, Lindsay Meggs) dropped the ball in lobbying for Oregon State. Casey said in other interviews that Meggs did not speak with him at all in the process, which Casey said always happens with Pac-12 bubble teams. I believe that Casey, in other articles, strongly hints, without saying it, that Meggs intentionally kept the Beavers out of the field. I am curious, if Pat Casey, the athletic department, and/or the university is contemplating some sort of legal action against Meggs and the University of Washington for fraud and/or breach of duty or at least submitting the incident to the conference for further inquiry. Washington is a state school, so any records should be public. The West was very under-represented on the committee and was very under-represented in the Tournament, plus two members of the full committee recently applied for and did not get the open AD job at Oregon State. In that cast of characters, something is rotten with what happened. Even if you straight up use RPI, Oregon State is still in. Instead, the Beavers got passed by four teams with lower RPIs: Nebraska (48), South Alabama (50), Minnesota (51), and Washington (55). Oregon State beat Minnesota on a neutral field and beat Washington in a series. South Alabama's AD headed the committee. Washington's head coach was the only Pac-12 representative on a regional committee. Something is rotten with what happened. The other thing, too, is that Oregon State did better in pretty much every other metric (with the sole exception being the Nolan Power Index--NPI--produced by Warren Nolan). Boyd's ISRs had the Beavers 19th. Sagarin had Oregon State 25th. Massey had the Beavers 28th. Oregon State finished 24th in the final NCBWA ballot. Everything but the committee says that the Beavers are in and in easily, most likely as a two-seed, and the committee comes out the other way. Something is rotten with what happened. I should add that the NPI amplifies the regional bias. The final NPI had Bryant as the #1 overall team, Wright State as the #10 overall team, and Kent State as the #12 overall team.
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Post by bbfan on Jun 20, 2016 12:57:27 GMT -8
There is no basis for any kind of legal action. The real news of the story, as was alluded to by another poster and got shot down as bs, is that indeed OSU athletic department admin dropped the ball.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 20, 2016 13:50:51 GMT -8
bbfan, I will ignore your first sentence for a bit in favor of asking questions, as I do not believe that I read any of the foregoing the same way. Who at the Athletic Department dropped the ball? It wasn't Casey, so was it the Athletic Director or someone else? That is the first that I have heard of this being an internal Oregon State problem, as opposed to a conference problem.
As far as the legal issues, if someone intentionally lied about Oregon State, in order to advance their school's interests, that is fraud, as well as potentially defamation, depending on the circumstances. Additionally, Washington, as a Pac-12 representative has a duty to promote the interests of the Pac-12. If he did not do so to the detriment of the conference, then he has breached his duty to the conference and its members. If there is an associated monetary loss, then Meggs has breached a fiduciary duty. Meggs and Meggs' employer, the University of Washington, and the State of Washington could potentially be liable for damages, pursuant to respondeat superior. Those are the thoughts that are swimming around in my head. Now, if Oregon State dropped the ball here, then obviously, my line of thinking is flawed, but you stating it is the first time that I had heard anything about that.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 20, 2016 22:33:53 GMT -8
bbfan, I will ignore your first sentence for a bit in favor of asking questions, as I do not believe that I read any of the foregoing the same way. Who at the Athletic Department dropped the ball? It wasn't Casey, so was it the Athletic Director or someone else? That is the first that I have heard of this being an internal Oregon State problem, as opposed to a conference problem. As far as the legal issues, if someone intentionally lied about Oregon State, in order to advance their school's interests, that is fraud, as well as potentially defamation, depending on the circumstances. Additionally, Washington, as a Pac-12 representative has a duty to promote the interests of the Pac-12. If he did not do so to the detriment of the conference, then he has breached his duty to the conference and its members. If there is an associated monetary loss, then Meggs has breached a fiduciary duty. Meggs and Meggs' employer, the University of Washington, and the State of Washington could potentially be liable for damages, pursuant to respondeat superior. Those are the thoughts that are swimming around in my head. Now, if Oregon State dropped the ball here, then obviously, my line of thinking is flawed, but you stating it is the first time that I had heard anything about that. WE DID NOT MAKE THE FIELD OF 64! GET OVER IT!! LOL
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Post by nabeav on Jun 21, 2016 7:32:27 GMT -8
The thing I keep coming back to is this: Oregon State knew it was a bubble team. Oregon State knew that in past years, the regional rep would call bubble teams to gain information to bolster their case Oregon State did not receive that call, and yet..... Oregon State NEVER PICKED UP THE PHONE TO CALL THE REGIONAL REP
At some point, someone should've made the decision to be a little proactive here.
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Post by rafer on Jun 21, 2016 11:41:21 GMT -8
The thing I keep coming back to is this: Oregon State knew it was a bubble team. Oregon State knew that in past years, the regional rep would call bubble teams to gain information to bolster their case Oregon State did not receive that call, and yet..... Oregon State NEVER PICKED UP THE PHONE TO CALL THE REGIONAL REP At some point, someone should've made the decision to be a little proactive here. Tell us who this "regional rep" is (and don't say Meggs). If OSU never got such a call, why would they think there was even a possibility weren't going to make it in? I don't think any regional rep reached out to the $uck$ (last year), like you claim. They had to do that on their own. They were the sixth place team in the conference ( two full games in the conference standings behind third place USC/Cal/ASU). static.pac-12.com/sports/baseball/stats/2014-15/HTML/lgsumm.htmThere's no way the $uck$ should have made it in last year, yet not OSU this year. Lobbying or no lobbying (by anyone). Everyone knew that OSU had to win 2 out of the last 3 to be a likely in, but 3 for 3 (sweep) to remove such doubt. Every site who did prognostications had them in (especially after the final game) - not a maybe/possibly. There was exactly one team who didn't match up with the 64 ultimately chosen. One and only one. You think the AD should have known he'd have to lobby, on top of that. Who do you think knows better who should be in? Casey or Stansbury? Casey, right after the final UCLA game sure didn't seem to have any apprehension or doubt. He thought they were in and so did everyone else (except baseba1111 and rafer). It was just a matter of where they were going to be sent off to, (which regional) not if. Had OSU lost their series to uw and lost their series to either/both Utah and ASU (on top of their overall body of work) then yes - anything was possible (toward the negative). But they didn't.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 25, 2016 15:28:42 GMT -8
Typical great Eggers article. Thanks for the link. So who dropped the ball at OSU, as far as lobbying for us in the post season goes? I am curious, if Pat Casey, the athletic department, and/or the university is contemplating some sort of legal action against Meggs. I've read a lot of hilarious things on this board in its brief existence. That may qualify as numero uno. I can answer that question with 100% certainty. No.
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