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Post by chinmusic on Aug 4, 2021 12:42:56 GMT -8
Rogers thinks he's a head coach in waiting for an elite program. Nate is included in the top-10 assistant coaches across the land that are in the "not if, but when" category for a head coaching job.
I won't disagree, but it does raise a very fundamental question. Why was he passed over at Oregon State for a Pro, and when Jay Johnson notified UA of his departure for LSU, there was no offer to Yeskie to take the helm at UA. ? They also hired a Pro, Chip Hale.
ASU also went to the professional ranks on their opening with Willie Bloomquest. I never saw any thing that mentioned Yesjie being a candidate at ASU as well.
Three prime openings in the PAC-12 and no cigar? Perhaps Kendall sould revise the question from "when" to "if". Maybe Nate is a better fit in the SEC than he was in the PAC-12?
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 4, 2021 13:13:14 GMT -8
Rogers thinks he's a head coach in waiting for an elite program. Nate is included in the top-10 assistant coaches across the land that are in the "not if, but when" category for a head coaching job. I won't disagree, but it does raise a very fundamental question. Why was he passed over at Oregon State for a Pro, and when Jay Johnson notified UA of his departure for LSU, there was no offer to Yeskie to take the helm at UA. ? They also hired a Pro, Chip Hale. ASU also went to the professional ranks on their opening with Willie Bloomquest. I never saw any thing that mentioned Yesjie being a candidate at ASU as well. Three prime openings in the PAC-12 and no cigar? Perhaps Kendall sould revise the question from "when" to "if". Maybe Nate is a better fit in the SEC than he was in the PAC-12? Well, there are a lot of A-holes in the SEC, so maybe. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 4, 2021 13:29:44 GMT -8
Rogers thinks he's a head coach in waiting for an elite program. Nate is included in the top-10 assistant coaches across the land that are in the "not if, but when" category for a head coaching job. I won't disagree, but it does raise a very fundamental question. Why was he passed over at Oregon State for a Pro, and when Jay Johnson notified UA of his departure for LSU, there was no offer to Yeskie to take the helm at UA. ? They also hired a Pro, Chip Hale. ASU also went to the professional ranks on their opening with Willie Bloomquest. I never saw any thing that mentioned Yesjie being a candidate at ASU as well. Three prime openings in the PAC-12 and no cigar? Perhaps Kendall sould revise the question from "when" to "if". Maybe Nate is a better fit in the SEC than he was in the PAC-12? Do you know that no offer was made from Arizona? I wouldn't put it past Scott Barnes that he completely F'ed up the hiring process and hired the wrong guy. Dave Heeke (Arizona's AD) played baseball at Albion back in the 80s. He spent the better part of the past 35 years shilling for the University of Oregon's athletic department. He spent 2006-2017 as the AD at Central Michigan. I wouldn't put it past Heeke that he completely F'ed up the hiring process and hired the wrong guy. Ray Anderson (Arizona State's AD) played baseball and football at Stanford back in the 70s, but he has primarily been a football guy since. Anderson did hire Tracy Smith, after all. I wouldn't put it past Anderson that he completely F'ed up the hiring process and hired the wrong guy. Yeskie is a great evaluator, recruiter and coach. He seems phenomenal one-on-one, but I question whether he is ready for the bright lights of the SEC. Trial by fire. Plus, he does have some baggage and skeletons in his closet. I don't know. I think that he could do really well at A&M, or he may crack under the pressure. He has had a knack for bringing in phenomenal Pac-12-level talent. I want to see, if he can recruit the Southeast as well as he recruited the West. |
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Post by chinmusic on Aug 4, 2021 20:44:54 GMT -8
If only we knew the inside story on coaching hires, huh?
Arizona may well have offered Nate the job and he turned it down. Logically that wouldn't make much sense since Yeskie's ambition is to be a head coach and Arizona isn't a bad place to have some success as your first go as a HC.
If he turned that job down to take his 3rd stint as a pitching coach at A&M, he must have had a miserable experience at Arizona. It wasn't money, as I recall, Jay Johnson was being paid over $700k to coach the Wildcats.
Another question you might ask, did Jay Johnson offer him the PC job at LSU? If not, was there a rift between Yeskie and Johnson?
We can only speculate but the overriding question is, why isn't Yeskie a head coach by now? If he's all that, why aren't college A.D.s clamoring to hire him?
As always, more questions than answers.
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Post by irimi on Aug 5, 2021 6:44:44 GMT -8
Rogers thinks he's a head coach in waiting for an elite program. Nate is included in the top-10 assistant coaches across the land that are in the "not if, but when" category for a head coaching job. I won't disagree, but it does raise a very fundamental question. Why was he passed over at Oregon State for a Pro, and when Jay Johnson notified UA of his departure for LSU, there was no offer to Yeskie to take the helm at UA. ? They also hired a Pro, Chip Hale. ASU also went to the professional ranks on their opening with Willie Bloomquest. I never saw any thing that mentioned Yesjie being a candidate at ASU as well. Three prime openings in the PAC-12 and no cigar? Perhaps Kendall sould revise the question from "when" to "if". Maybe Nate is a better fit in the SEC than he was in the PAC-12? Same thoughts went through my mind. I was very surprised UA didn’t make him head coach and then doubly surprised that he landed as an assistant again. Is he being too picky? Seems like if he wants to be a head coach, he’s gotta cut his teeth somewhere. Passed over at least once—maybe twice—isn’t helping. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 5, 2021 6:54:01 GMT -8
Rogers thinks he's a head coach in waiting for an elite program. Nate is included in the top-10 assistant coaches across the land that are in the "not if, but when" category for a head coaching job. I won't disagree, but it does raise a very fundamental question. Why was he passed over at Oregon State for a Pro, and when Jay Johnson notified UA of his departure for LSU, there was no offer to Yeskie to take the helm at UA. ? They also hired a Pro, Chip Hale. ASU also went to the professional ranks on their opening with Willie Bloomquest. I never saw any thing that mentioned Yesjie being a candidate at ASU as well. Three prime openings in the PAC-12 and no cigar? Perhaps Kendall sould revise the question from "when" to "if". Maybe Nate is a better fit in the SEC than he was in the PAC-12? Do you know that no offer was made from Arizona? I wouldn't put it past Scott Barnes that he completely F'ed up the hiring process and hired the wrong guy. Dave Heeke (Arizona's AD) played baseball at Albion back in the 80s. He spent the better part of the past 35 years shilling for the University of Oregon's athletic department. He spent 2006-2017 as the AD at Central Michigan. I wouldn't put it past Heeke that he completely F'ed up the hiring process and hired the wrong guy. Ray Anderson (Arizona State's AD) played baseball and football at Stanford back in the 70s, but he has primarily been a football guy since. Anderson did hire Tracy Smith, after all. I wouldn't put it past Anderson that he completely F'ed up the hiring process and hired the wrong guy. Yeskie is a great evaluator, recruiter and coach. He seems phenomenal one-on-one, but I question whether he is ready for the bright lights of the SEC. Trial by fire. Plus, he does have some baggage and skeletons in his closet. I don't know. I think that he could do really well at A&M, or he may crack under the pressure. He has had a knack for bringing in phenomenal Pac-12-level talent. I want to see, if he can recruit the Southeast as well as he recruited the West. Even with Casey in on the hire? Realistically, if Yeskie had what it takes to be the HC, Casey would have backed him, and he’d be leading the Beavs. I think the Head Coach’s job is much more than X’s and O’s, development, and recruiting. He is the face of the program. He must be a team player with many parts of the university, not just the kids on the field. And he has to interface with the public, wining and dining the big donors. Posts on this board have suggested that this is Yeskie’s weakness. He ought to look to the pro level where he can focus on winning games. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Aug 5, 2021 7:28:13 GMT -8
Rogers thinks he's a head coach in waiting for an elite program. Nate is included in the top-10 assistant coaches across the land that are in the "not if, but when" category for a head coaching job. I won't disagree, but it does raise a very fundamental question. Why was he passed over at Oregon State for a Pro, and when Jay Johnson notified UA of his departure for LSU, there was no offer to Yeskie to take the helm at UA. ? They also hired a Pro, Chip Hale. ASU also went to the professional ranks on their opening with Willie Bloomquest. I never saw any thing that mentioned Yesjie being a candidate at ASU as well. Three prime openings in the PAC-12 and no cigar? Perhaps Kendall sould revise the question from "when" to "if". Maybe Nate is a better fit in the SEC than he was in the PAC-12? Kendall Rogers is paid to have opinions. Good for him. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 5, 2021 9:28:08 GMT -8
I think Chin nailed it.....we don't know the inside story of any of this. Not only that, but there is typically very little information given for the college baseball fan. We are mostly kept in the dark about almost everything behind the scenes. I think it's different in the SEC where sports are higher profile.
I don't know what to think of Yeskie. I have no idea why he hasn't landed a HC job....maybe he will next year. He seems to be a polarizing figure. A hard ass that never smiles. But he gets results. He's also had a lot of arms needing TJ surgery.....higher than the average I believe.....correct me if I'm wrong.
Time will tell if we got it right or wrong with Mitch over Nate.......personally, I like the direction of our program. Feels like a Pat Casey family kinda deal with connections all over the place.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 5, 2021 11:33:40 GMT -8
Do you know that no offer was made from Arizona? I wouldn't put it past Scott Barnes that he completely F'ed up the hiring process and hired the wrong guy. Dave Heeke (Arizona's AD) played baseball at Albion back in the 80s. He spent the better part of the past 35 years shilling for the University of Oregon's athletic department. He spent 2006-2017 as the AD at Central Michigan. I wouldn't put it past Heeke that he completely F'ed up the hiring process and hired the wrong guy. Ray Anderson (Arizona State's AD) played baseball and football at Stanford back in the 70s, but he has primarily been a football guy since. Anderson did hire Tracy Smith, after all. I wouldn't put it past Anderson that he completely F'ed up the hiring process and hired the wrong guy. Yeskie is a great evaluator, recruiter and coach. He seems phenomenal one-on-one, but I question whether he is ready for the bright lights of the SEC. Trial by fire. Plus, he does have some baggage and skeletons in his closet. I don't know. I think that he could do really well at A&M, or he may crack under the pressure. He has had a knack for bringing in phenomenal Pac-12-level talent. I want to see, if he can recruit the Southeast as well as he recruited the West. Even with Casey in on the hire? Realistically, if Yeskie had what it takes to be the HC, Casey would have backed him, and he’d be leading the Beavs. I think the Head Coach’s job is much more than X’s and O’s, development, and recruiting. He is the face of the program. He must be a team player with many parts of the university, not just the kids on the field. And he has to interface with the public, wining and dining the big donors. Posts on this board have suggested that this is Yeskie’s weakness. He ought to look to the pro level where he can focus on winning games. I think that there were too many known negatives for Yeskie to be the hire here. Mitchy Slick has a lot more potential and a lot higher ceiling. I have been somewhat flabbergasted by several of the coaching decisions. Dropping several winnable games, including both ends of the Fort Worth Regional, have not really provided me with much confidence. Plus, you have weird things like Troy Claunch transferring out and Cole Hamilton signing with the Nationals. So far, though, Mitchy Slick seems like he is recruiting well. I am hoping that we see a better record in games decided by three or fewer runs in 2022. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 5, 2021 20:31:20 GMT -8
Even with Casey in on the hire? Realistically, if Yeskie had what it takes to be the HC, Casey would have backed him, and he’d be leading the Beavs. I think the Head Coach’s job is much more than X’s and O’s, development, and recruiting. He is the face of the program. He must be a team player with many parts of the university, not just the kids on the field. And he has to interface with the public, wining and dining the big donors. Posts on this board have suggested that this is Yeskie’s weakness. He ought to look to the pro level where he can focus on winning games. I think that there were too many known negatives for Yeskie to be the hire here. Mitchy Slick has a lot more potential and a lot higher ceiling. I have been somewhat flabbergasted by several of the coaching decisions. Dropping several winnable games, including both ends of the Fort Worth Regional, have not really provided me with much confidence. Plus, you have weird things like Troy Claunch transferring out and Cole Hamilton signing with the Nationals. So far, though, Mitchy Slick seems like he is recruiting well. I am hoping that we see a better record in games decided by three or fewer runs in 2022. Canham will write his own story here, and folks on the sidelines will color it one way or the other. I figure he got us into the postseason in his first full year, so he’s doing ok. Sure he made some odd decisions, but that’s part of the job. Heck, we complained about some Casey made….until he retired and was beatified. Yeskie is the topic, though, and I think the likelihood of him making head coach took a huge hit this year. He was high on the list and with good credentials. Getting passed over here and at Zona has got to make teams wonder. |
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Post by qbeaver on Aug 6, 2021 10:03:18 GMT -8
No one knows how Yeskie would have done two years removed from a national title team losing almost all your stars and top recruits de-committing and going elsewhere. Some say players committed to osu because of Yeskie...I say it was because of Casey.
Just like some were saying assistant coach Campbell in WBB was the main reason osu got the great class that went to the final 4,but osu has a top 3 recruiting class in WBB next year. I think Rueck has a lot to do with recruiting success.
I think we should see how Mitch does this season with mostly his own players after losing stars in Rutschman,Grenier,Abel,Madrigal,Larnach off their National Title team. The last two years was rebuilding for sure. I'm very hopeful this team will be better in 2022.
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Post by beav74 on Aug 6, 2021 10:52:27 GMT -8
I do know that Yeskie and Johnson did not see eye-to eye
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Post by zeroposter on Aug 6, 2021 11:59:36 GMT -8
I do know that Yeskie and Johnson did not see eye-to eye I will give NateY a thumbs up on this one. Johnson is an ass. Ripping the umps constantly between innings. Pushing the envelope during the inning. Similar to the basketball coaches in the jawing aspect, and I hate that in baseball. I enjoy the Mike Parker comments on Johnson during a game. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 6, 2021 12:05:59 GMT -8
I think that there were too many known negatives for Yeskie to be the hire here. Mitchy Slick has a lot more potential and a lot higher ceiling. I have been somewhat flabbergasted by several of the coaching decisions. Dropping several winnable games, including both ends of the Fort Worth Regional, have not really provided me with much confidence. Plus, you have weird things like Troy Claunch transferring out and Cole Hamilton signing with the Nationals. So far, though, Mitchy Slick seems like he is recruiting well. I am hoping that we see a better record in games decided by three or fewer runs in 2022. Canham will write his own story here, and folks on the sidelines will color it one way or the other. I figure he got us into the postseason in his first full year, so he’s doing ok. Sure he made some odd decisions, but that’s part of the job. Heck, we complained about some Casey made….until he retired and was beatified. Yeskie is the topic, though, and I think the likelihood of him making head coach took a huge hit this year. He was high on the list and with good credentials. Getting passed over here and at Zona has got to make teams wonder. Casey went out on top after coaching the best baseball teams in the program's history, and then we had a year of Bailes to really drive the point home about how special Casey was. Casey made some decisions that you had no idea why they were being made. And then the year after or the year after that, you looked back and realized that he was trying to get that one guy with a ton of potential to realize it. The problem with Canham is that he does not have the history............yet. Hopefully, next year, we are able to look back at 2021 and look at the big picture and get it. Until then, I will continue to complain bitterly.  |
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Post by chinmusic on Aug 6, 2021 14:17:06 GMT -8
Wilky, you obviously have a very strong opinion on OSU's hiring decision. No argument with that but it might help make your case if you would specify who would have been a better choice than MC. Just a name or even several names for coparative purposes and then we could engage in some real dialogue.
I take it you have an issue with MC's lack of college coaching experience, but beyond that your argument appears to be based on emotion.
"I would have hired ___________because he was more qualified than MC in these specific areas"
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Something like that might help we readers get to the meat of your argument.
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