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Post by irimi on Jul 22, 2021 10:37:34 GMT -8
“Honestly, the way the Republican party has spun the virus and the vaccine has been obscene, and clearly shows that the party lacks ethical leaders who are able to think about the good of the country, rather than just opposing whatever the other side says. In a global pandemic, there should be no partisan politics.” I don’t think the Republicans have a monopoly on spin. Remember Biden saying he had doubts about Trumps vaccine? Remember Kamala saying the same thing? Fauci saying masks didn’t work until he changed his mind, the lab leak theory being misinformation that should be suppressed, Texas was Neanderthal for opening? None of the chuckle heads have you or your families best interest at heart. If you trust that crowd you will be disappointed. Actually, no I don’t remember Biden or Harris saying such things because I don’t take medical advice from politicians. If I did, I would’ve stocked up on bleach to drink. As for Fauci and his back and forth on the masks, that seems to reflect more on the past administration than Fauci. After all, it was Trump who controlled what Fauci could say.
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Post by TheGlove on Jul 22, 2021 10:39:12 GMT -8
With all due respect 'Fly, that's pure bulls%#t. If someone's behavior poses a demonstrable health hazard to others, then the public has every right to curb that behavior. Non-vaxers who continue to circulate through society are willfully subjecting themselves and others to possible infection with a debilitating and sometimes deadly virus. No one has the right to do that anymore than they have right to yell "fire!" in a crowded theatre. So long as he poses a serious health threat to his team and WSU students in general, Rolovich should quarantine himself and restrict his movement to his own home. Failing that, he royally deserves to be canned. Wow.....ok How many people out there you think have had it and didn't even know it? How many people have had it, know it, and now carry the antibodies? Do these people need to be vaxxed? Seems like there's not a consensus.
Anecdotally, I know someone in their 20's who developed cardiomyopathy from the vaccine and almost died.....luckily, being young, and fit, they pulled through.....but there are risks....the chances of it happening are small, but the chance is there.
medRxiv publishes preliminary scientific reports that are not peer-reviewed and, therefore, should not be regarded as conclusive, guide clinical practice/health-related behavior, or treated as established information.
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Post by TheGlove on Jul 22, 2021 10:40:14 GMT -8
A six page discussion about a rival coach probably just afraid of getting a shot (the most common reason people don't go get the vaccine). These are slow news times. The mob gets fired up about this one... You have more posts in this thread than most.
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Post by irimi on Jul 22, 2021 10:42:59 GMT -8
Finding the truth in all of this BS is getting harder by the day. How do 6 Texas dems, who were reportedly vaccinated, test positive for Covid after flying on a junket to D.C. unmasked? Were they lying about their vaccine status? Is the efficacy of the vaccine not what has been reported? Something smells. Now they are talking about going back to mask mandates..... I got the shots and I don't want to wear a mask.........Am I protected?? I don't know what to believe anymore. And that is part of the problem. Rant over.....GO Beavs!!! Blame the Delta variant. We’ll all be wearing masks again if we can’t get ahead of this thing.
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Post by green85 on Jul 22, 2021 10:44:34 GMT -8
Finding the truth in all of this BS is getting harder by the day. How do 6 Texas dems, who were reportedly vaccinated, test positive for Covid after flying on a junket to D.C. unmasked? Were they lying about their vaccine status? Is the efficacy of the vaccine not what has been reported? Something smells. Now they are talking about going back to mask mandates..... I got the shots and I don't want to wear a mask.........Am I protected?? I don't know what to believe anymore. And that is part of the problem. Rant over.....GO Beavs!!! The facts are pretty clear, even if not "comforting": 1. Vaccinated people can contract Covid. 2. Vaccinated people have a lower risk of threatening health of effects (less chance to be hospitalized or die) 3. Vaccinated people have an immune response to contracting Covid that reduces the amount of virus (count) in their system and therefore reduces the risk of sharing the virus with others. 4. Vaccinated people can be exposed to the virus, contract the virus, and even share the virus with others. The fact that in most cases their viral load is lower due to the vaccine means that they are less likely to share the virus with others. 5. Unvaccinated people have no prepared immune response to the virus. Once contracted the virus can replicate and infect the body rapidly and with severe health consequences. 6. Unvaccinated people that contract the virus are much more likely to have severe reaction and long term health consequences. 7. Unvaccinated people are at higher risk of hospitalization. 8. Hospitalization and being placed on a ventilator for treatment are predictors of likelihood of death or long term health consequences. Why would the CDC of health expert recommend that a vaccinated person wear a mask? To reduce even the small amount of viral infection from being propagated. A mask provides protection to others from my transmission and provides a small amount of physical barrier from the virus getting to me. Why should I worry about exposure to the virus if I am vaccinated? It really is about stopping the spread, not about a high health risk to me as a vaccinated person. The unvaccinated person has both those reasons to wear a mask, but even more so because if they contract the virus their viral load is much more likely to affect others. This in turn means others will contract the virus and share it - especially among unvaccinated people that will again have the higher viral load. It is not "easy", but people conscious of the risks would normally take action to reduce their risk and risk to others. Vaccination and mask wearing can reduce risk.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jul 22, 2021 10:49:33 GMT -8
The mob gets fired up about this one... You have more posts in this thread than most. Guess I'm not a fan of the mob
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Post by jdogge on Jul 22, 2021 10:56:29 GMT -8
You have more posts in this thread than most. Guess I'm not a fan of the mob Maybe you're the mob. Maybe you're a virus and the posters you call a mob are the Board's immune response. Maybe.
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Post by ag87 on Jul 22, 2021 11:09:53 GMT -8
Finding the truth in all of this BS is getting harder by the day. How do 6 Texas dems, who were reportedly vaccinated, test positive for Covid after flying on a junket to D.C. unmasked? Were they lying about their vaccine status? Is the efficacy of the vaccine not what has been reported? Something smells. Now they are talking about going back to mask mandates..... I got the shots and I don't want to wear a mask.........Am I protected?? I don't know what to believe anymore. And that is part of the problem. Rant over.....GO Beavs!!! The facts are pretty clear, even if not "comforting": 1. Vaccinated people can contract Covid. 2. Vaccinated people have a lower risk of threatening health of effects (less chance to be hospitalized or die) 3. Vaccinated people have an immune response to contracting Covid that reduces the amount of virus (count) in their system and therefore reduces the risk of sharing the virus with others. 4. Vaccinated people can be exposed to the virus, contract the virus, and even share the virus with others. The fact that in most cases their viral load is lower due to the vaccine means that they are less likely to share the virus with others. 5. Unvaccinated people have no prepared immune response to the virus. Once contracted the virus can replicate and infect the body rapidly and with severe health consequences. 6. Unvaccinated people that contract the virus are much more likely to have severe reaction and long term health consequences. 7. Unvaccinated people are at higher risk of hospitalization. 8. Hospitalization and being placed on a ventilator for treatment are predictors of likelihood of death or long term health consequences. Why would the CDC of health expert recommend that a vaccinated person wear a mask? To reduce even the small amount of viral infection from being propagated. A mask provides protection to others from my transmission and provides a small amount of physical barrier from the virus getting to me. Why should I worry about exposure to the virus if I am vaccinated? It really is about stopping the spread, not about a high health risk to me as a vaccinated person. The unvaccinated person has both those reasons to wear a mask, but even more so because if they contract the virus their viral load is much more likely to affect others. This in turn means others will contract the virus and share it - especially among unvaccinated people that will again have the higher viral load. It is not "easy", but people conscious of the risks would normally take action to reduce their risk and risk to others. Vaccination and mask wearing can reduce risk. How dare you come to the board with common sense and facts!!
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 22, 2021 11:12:05 GMT -8
"Maybe the dude had an anaphylactic reaction to another vaccine." Nope. Other vaccines include either alive or dead virus. These COVID vaccines use mRNA. Sure, I get that.....but if you've had an anaphylactic reaction to another vaccine might make you hesitant to get another one....and maybe he's allergic to all kinds of s%#t and just doesn't want to take the chance, I dunno. The point being y'all have tarred, feathered, and executed the man already over one social media post. I'm not saying there's definitely a good explanation for his choice, but there might be something more than he's just anti-vax Jeesh, why the ridiculous hyperbole? It doesn’t help your argument. Nobody has tarred, feathered, and executed anyone; literally or figuratively.
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Post by billthebeav on Jul 22, 2021 11:26:55 GMT -8
“Honestly, the way the Republican party has spun the virus and the vaccine has been obscene, and clearly shows that the party lacks ethical leaders who are able to think about the good of the country, rather than just opposing whatever the other side says. In a global pandemic, there should be no partisan politics.” I don’t think the Republicans have a monopoly on spin. Remember Biden saying he had doubts about Trumps vaccine? Remember Kamala saying the same thing? Fauci saying masks didn’t work until he changed his mind, the lab leak theory being misinformation that should be suppressed, Texas was Neanderthal for opening? None of the chuckle heads have you or your families best interest at heart. If you trust that crowd you will be disappointed. Actually, no I don’t remember Biden or Harris saying such things because I don’t take medical advice from politicians. If I did, I would’ve stocked up on bleach to drink. As for Fauci and his back and forth on the masks, that seems to reflect more on the past administration than Fauci. After all, it was Trump who controlled what Fauci could say. If you don’t take medical advice from politicians why do Republican lies bother you?
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Post by ochobeavo on Jul 22, 2021 11:41:51 GMT -8
A six page discussion about a rival coach probably just afraid of getting a shot (the most common reason people don't go get the vaccine). These are slow news times. The mob gets fired up about this one... Have a hunch that the "mob" is a bit touchy because it doesn't want to see more lives lost, lockdowns, businesses closed, jobs lost, graduations cancelled, masks mandated... All directly as a result of the actions (or in this case inactions) of others - all while cases/hospitalizations continue to climb again. I'm just spitballin' here...
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Post by cake on Jul 22, 2021 12:19:53 GMT -8
The mob gets fired up about this one... Have a hunch that the "mob" is a bit touchy because it doesn't want to see more lives lost, lockdowns, businesses closed, jobs lost, graduations cancelled, masks mandated... All directly as a result of the actions (or in this case inactions) of others - all while cases/hospitalizations continue to climb again. I'm just spitballin' here... I don't feel like I'm part of any mob. But if I am, this is exactly why.
Get the damn shot so we don't get more and more variants that get worse and worse and worse. Get the shot so we don't have this disease ricocheting around the country, and around the world, every year for the rest of our lives. I'm tired of people who do their 'research' on Facebook. Tired of excuses. Tired of all this s%#t.
Tired of people dying.
Get the f%#*ing shot Rolovich.
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Post by cake on Jul 22, 2021 12:35:18 GMT -8
“Honestly, the way the Republican party has spun the virus and the vaccine has been obscene, and clearly shows that the party lacks ethical leaders who are able to think about the good of the country, rather than just opposing whatever the other side says. In a global pandemic, there should be no partisan politics.” I don’t think the Republicans have a monopoly on spin. Remember Biden saying he had doubts about Trumps vaccine? Remember Kamala saying the same thing? Fauci saying masks didn’t work until he changed his mind, the lab leak theory being misinformation that should be suppressed, Texas was Neanderthal for opening? None of the chuckle heads have you or your families best interest at heart. If you trust that crowd you will be disappointed. The Fauci chestnut is a classic bit of especially stupid bulls%#t.
He was telling people they didn't need to hoard N95 masks because doctors and nurses didn't have enough to go around. Considering the great toilet paper crisis in those early days, it was probably a smart bit of advice. By April, they were suggesting people wear cloth masks, so it's not like they didn't know some sort of mask would be effective.
Later, yeah, they did change their tune, because the supply of masks was ramping up.
The Biden quote you reference. Here's it is in full.
"Let me be clear: I trust vaccines. I trust scientists. But I don't trust Donald Trump," Biden said. "And at this moment the American people can't either."
Wholly accurate.
As for the lab leak theory. There's a difference between misinformation and disinformation. There's a lot of misinformation, which is people innocently being wrong about stuff. It happens. Disinformation, or propaganda, is deliberately created to sow discontent and to get people doing exactly what they're doing right now, which is making a bunch of nonsense excuses about why they don't want to get the shot. Foriegn actors are creating and amplifying this disinformation and that's a massive problem that should be stopped.
Of course, the 'muh freedoms' crowd thinks that their own first amendment rights to be wrong about s%#t should also allow for the Russian or Chinese governments to spread deliberate disinformation, propaganda, lies, on Facebook.
That directly leads to people dying.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 22, 2021 12:36:16 GMT -8
Thanks for posting this article. As much as I "hate" Barry Bolton, he articulates all the points I tried to make in my response to the beav angler. I think he's all right, but don't get me started on Michael Bolton.
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Post by TheGlove on Jul 22, 2021 13:16:04 GMT -8
You have more posts in this thread than most. Guess I'm not a fan of the mob
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