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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 2, 2021 20:49:59 GMT -8
He leaves an enormous hole in the roster. Even with all the adoration he received, I feel like he is still criminally underrated even by our own fanbase. He was/is that good. He was a 3rd best RB in OSU history... Behind Steven Jackson and Quizz. His tenure, oddly, has been a lot like Matt Moore's. Sometimes fans don't realize what they had until it is too late. I think a lot of fans liked him, sure. everybody knew he was our best RB... but I don't think they recognized what they were seeing when they were seeing it. What about my man Ken Simonton??? 35!!!!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 2, 2021 21:31:15 GMT -8
How quickly Earthquake Enyart has been forgotten.
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Post by zebraworks on Aug 2, 2021 23:26:41 GMT -8
To be fair, he tossed a lot of INTs in 2005 and this feed into the Riley hate "His offense is too complicated" Moore definitely improved the following year but didn't he throw like 5 or 6 INTs in a single home game in 2005?? that was a brutal game to watch
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 3, 2021 1:55:42 GMT -8
How quickly Earthquake Enyart has been forgotten. Enyart is tough to place in a conversation about modern running backs. He was spectacular as a college running back for sure, but he would have been a tight end in the modern game and he ended up as a fullback/linebacker in the NFL.
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 3, 2021 6:29:40 GMT -8
How quickly Earthquake Enyart has been forgotten. Who said he is forgotten? all I did was cite a my top 3 all time, who is to say he is not #4 or 5? Also, Enyart played in 1966-1968, I don't think it is really that surprising that people do not have experience watching a RB that would be 74 if he were alive today. and as OA says above, not many 6'4" 235 RBs out there! I agree he'd probably be a TE if recruited today.
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 3, 2021 6:31:35 GMT -8
He was a 3rd best RB in OSU history... Behind Steven Jackson and Quizz. His tenure, oddly, has been a lot like Matt Moore's. Sometimes fans don't realize what they had until it is too late. I think a lot of fans liked him, sure. everybody knew he was our best RB... but I don't think they recognized what they were seeing when they were seeing it. What about my man Ken Simonton??? 35!!!! I love Simonton, but I probably have him outside my top 5 in pure talent as a RB. I have Simonton ranked very high in terms of players with high overall impact to the school though. In his time and in his era, we was an indispensable player. We have simply had other players that were overall better RBs.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 3, 2021 8:40:37 GMT -8
How quickly Earthquake Enyart has been forgotten. Enyart is tough to place in a conversation about modern running backs. He was spectacular as a college running back for sure, but he would have been a tight end in the modern game and he ended up as a fullback/linebacker in the NFL. Probably. But I thought this evaluation was of their time spent at OSU, not what they did later. And certainly Enyart belongs in the top 5, if not the top 3. He was an absolute beast. And I said he appeared forgotten because he had not received one mention on this thread.
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Post by wetrodentia on Aug 3, 2021 9:38:05 GMT -8
Moore definitely improved the following year but didn't he throw like 5 or 6 INTs in a single home game in 2005?? that was a brutal game to watch I remember that game. Versus Nick Foles Arizona team. Very close game even with Matt IIRC serving up what i think was 4 picks and 2 fumbles. I'm pretty sure he accounted for 6 turnovers. Wasn't a fan at that moment but i think later that season (or the next) I remember a game at Hawaii (last game of regular season?) and Matt threw an out on a rope to Stroughter a yard beyond the stick on the sideline for an 11 yard gain and first down from the far hash and I said out loud to a few friends "I think Moore may be an NFL quarterback".
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 3, 2021 9:52:55 GMT -8
Moore definitely improved the following year but didn't he throw like 5 or 6 INTs in a single home game in 2005?? that was a brutal game to watch I remember that game. Versus Nick Foles Arizona team. Very close game even with Matt IIRC serving up what i think was 4 picks and 2 fumbles. I'm pretty sure he accounted for 6 turnovers. Wasn't a fan at that moment but i think later that season (or the next) I remember a game at Hawaii (last game of regular season?) and Matt threw an out on a rope to Stroughter a yard beyond the stick on the sideline for an 11 yard gain and first down from the far hash and I said out loud to a few friends "I think Moore may be an NFL quarterback". BOOM!!! You're Welcome.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 3, 2021 11:16:31 GMT -8
Few people seem to remember that Matt Moore threw just shy of twice as many Ints as TDs (19-11) his first season here and completed less than 60% of his passes. And that was after playing 13 games in 2 years at UCLA (where he threw for 6 ints and 4 TDs total).
Gebbia, with significantly fewer attempts so far, has hit over 62% of his passes and has thrown for more TDs than Ints in his 2 years of part-time play here. I do not look at him as a finished product. If healthy he'll likely be a very good QB for us.
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 3, 2021 11:35:09 GMT -8
Few people seem to remember that Matt Moore threw just shy of twice as many Ints as TDs (19-11) his first season here and completed less than 60% of his passes. And that was after playing 13 games in 2 years at UCLA (where he threw for 6 ints and 4 TDs total). Gebbia, with significantly fewer attempts so far, has hit over 62% of his passes and has thrown for more TDs than Ints in his 2 years of part-time play here. I do not look at him as a finished product. If healthy he'll likely be a very good QB for us. People also forget that JS completed 50.6% of his passes for his entire career. QB's get remembered by how the team finishes. Matt was a victim of very high expectations in 2005. He performed much better in 2006.
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 3, 2021 13:14:37 GMT -8
Few people seem to remember that Matt Moore threw just shy of twice as many Ints as TDs (19-11) his first season here and completed less than 60% of his passes. And that was after playing 13 games in 2 years at UCLA (where he threw for 6 ints and 4 TDs total). Gebbia, with significantly fewer attempts so far, has hit over 62% of his passes and has thrown for more TDs than Ints in his 2 years of part-time play here. I do not look at him as a finished product. If healthy he'll likely be a very good QB for us. People also forget that JS completed 50.6% of his passes for his entire career. QB's get remembered by how the team finishes. Matt was a victim of very high expectations in 2005. He performed much better in 2006. pretty much this. The offense Smith operated, is nothing like the offense he is coaching right now. The offense DA and Moore operated under Riley are nothing like what Gebbia is operating now. Smith ran a single back spread offense that vertically spread the field. Smith averaged over 16 yards per completion in 2000. Derek Anderson was around 15.5 yards per completion in his career. Moore was averaging about 13 yards per completion... Riley's early offense was a play action oriented 3 WR pro offense. The route designs were still primarily vertically stretching the field, and most passing was off PA, which more or less amounted to the same as a 5 step drop on a pure passing play. Riley ran the ball to move the chains, but passed to get chunk yardage. Gebbia is down around 10 yards per completion. The offense has changes, the RBs are more involved, passes are quicker and and shorter and play action isn't used as often. We have higher percentage passing moving the ball now. Even Sean Mannion in his record OSU passing year, averaged a bit over 11 per completion, and Brandin Cooks took in over 1700 yards on high volumes, as he averaged 13 YPC. compare that with Chad Johnsons 21 yards per catch back in 2000, or Robert Prescots 20 YPC... For Mannion, his RB, Storm Woods, was the 3rd leading receiver on the team, hauling in 47 catches, but under 10 YPC. Anyways, long story short, Smith, DA and Moore were downfield passing offenses that were run-first. We started the transition out of that after Canfield, and started moving towards shotgun formations and pass-first designs that leaned on shorter routes and higher percentage throws. As the offense changes, the expectations of the QBs changed. Smith, DA, Moore were not expected to be 65% passers given the high percentage of near 50-50 balls they threw, by design.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 3, 2021 13:21:03 GMT -8
Moore definitely improved the following year but didn't he throw like 5 or 6 INTs in a single home game in 2005?? that was a brutal game to watch I remember that game. Versus Nick Foles Arizona team. Very close game even with Matt IIRC serving up what i think was 4 picks and 2 fumbles. I'm pretty sure he accounted for 6 turnovers. Wasn't a fan at that moment but i think later that season (or the next) I remember a game at Hawaii (last game of regular season?) and Matt threw an out on a rope to Stroughter a yard beyond the stick on the sideline for an 11 yard gain and first down from the far hash and I said out loud to a few friends "I think Moore may be an NFL quarterback". A lot to unpack there. As far as I can tell, Matt Moore hit Stroughter three times. Twice on curls and once on this fade route: I could not find a true out route, but I may just be over-analyzing. (Shocker!) I was there for that Arizona game in 2005. Homecoming. Tough game. Nick Foles was still in high school in 2005. Willie Tuitama was Arizona's quarterback in 2005. Maybe you are thinking of the almost-as-famous Nick Folk? Matt Moore had seven turnovers: six interceptions and a fumble. The first interception was a pick-six: 13-3 Arizona. The second was at the Wildcat 7, the third was at the Wildcat 4, the fourth was at the Wildcat 14 with 4 seconds left in the first half. Oregon State's third, fifth, seventh and eighth drives all ended in interceptions. 23-10 Arizona at the half. The first drive of the third quarter ended on fourth down with Yvenson Bernard being stuffed for no gain. Otherwise, the two teams traded touchdowns in the third quarter. Alexis Serna kicked a 27-yard field goal to pull within 29-20 early in the fourth. Moore led a 54-yard drive after Al Afalava came up with a fumble to pull within 29-27. After that, Moore fumbled on a scramble at the Wildcat 19 and Moore was intercepted at the Wildcat 10. Oregon State got the ball back with 21 seconds left and hit Hawkins for 13 yards to the 30. Moore then threw a Hail Mary pass 50+ yards in the air on the games final play, which was naturally intercepted. 29-27 Arizona. Oregon State's offense scored three touchdowns and spent most of the game on Arizona's side of the field but had drives turned back at the 3, 11, 15, 19, 25, 29, 35 and 44. Because of turnovers and a stupid fourth down attempt, those eight drives only accounted for six points. Matt Moore went 32/43 for 436 yards and a touchdown. At the time, that was the fourth-most yards ever thrown by an Oregon State quarterback, and most ever against a Pac-10 opponent at Reser Stadium. It remains the most passing yards ever thrown by an Oregon State quarterback at Reser Stadium. Only Erik Wilhelm threw for more yards at Reser Stadium against Akron. Every other time Oregon State has thrown for more than 420 yards, it has been on the road. The second most yards thrown against a Pac-10/12 opponent is 419 against Washington State in 2014 by Sean Mannion. At the time, the second-most passing yards at Reser Stadium was Erik Wilhelm's 406 yards against USC in 1988. What is also crazy is that only five passes did not wind up being caught by someone. The game was a very hard pill to swallow for several reasons. Among them, the 2005 loss to Arizona was Oregon State's only homecoming loss between 1998 (Arizona) and 2011 (Stanford). The game left Oregon State 4-4, needing to win two of the final three to stand a shot at making a bowl game. The Beavers managed to knock a monkey of their back the week following with an 18-10 win over Washington, Oregon State's first win at Husky Stadium in more than 30 years. However, Matt Moore was hurt against Stanford and the final two games ended in losses to end the season.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 3, 2021 13:32:36 GMT -8
Enyart is tough to place in a conversation about modern running backs. He was spectacular as a college running back for sure, but he would have been a tight end in the modern game and he ended up as a fullback/linebacker in the NFL. Probably. But I thought this evaluation was of their time spent at OSU, not what they did later. And certainly Enyart belongs in the top 5, if not the top 3. He was an absolute beast. And I said he appeared forgotten because he had not received one mention on this thread. I was trying to cap it for the last 30 years. I think that Jermar is top three in the last 30 years with Steven Jackson and Quizz being the other two. Enyart would be in the top three, if we expanded it to the last 60 years. But I think that Bob Grim gets in the conversation at that point, as well. Before that, you can start having conversations about Ken Carpenter, Bob Dethman, Don Durdan, Earnel Durden and Joe Gray, but the position was very different back then, because you were expected (often) to be able to throw the ball, as well as run.
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Post by wetrodentia on Aug 3, 2021 14:10:09 GMT -8
I remember that game. Versus Nick Foles Arizona team. Very close game even with Matt IIRC serving up what i think was 4 picks and 2 fumbles. I'm pretty sure he accounted for 6 turnovers. Wasn't a fan at that moment but i think later that season (or the next) I remember a game at Hawaii (last game of regular season?) and Matt threw an out on a rope to Stroughter a yard beyond the stick on the sideline for an 11 yard gain and first down from the far hash and I said out loud to a few friends "I think Moore may be an NFL quarterback". A lot to unpack there. As far as I can tell, Matt Moore hit Stroughter three times. Twice on curls and once on this fade route: I could not find a true out route, but I may just be over-analyzing. (Shocker!) I was there for that Arizona game in 2005. Homecoming. Tough game. Nick Foles was still in high school in 2005. Willie Tuitama was Arizona's quarterback in 2005. Maybe you are thinking of the almost-as-famous Nick Folk? Matt Moore had seven turnovers: six interceptions and a fumble. The first interception was a pick-six: 13-3 Arizona. The second was at the Wildcat 7, the third was at the Wildcat 4, the fourth was at the Wildcat 14 with 4 seconds left in the first half. Oregon State's third, fifth, seventh and eighth drives all ended in interceptions. 23-10 Arizona at the half. The first drive of the third quarter ended on fourth down with Yvenson Bernard being stuffed for no gain. Otherwise, the two teams traded touchdowns in the third quarter. Alexis Serna kicked a 27-yard field goal to pull within 29-20 early in the fourth. Moore led a 54-yard drive after Al Afalava came up with a fumble to pull within 29-27. After that, Moore fumbled on a scramble at the Wildcat 19 and Moore was intercepted at the Wildcat 10. Oregon State got the ball back with 21 seconds left and hit Hawkins for 13 yards to the 30. Moore then threw a Hail Mary pass 50+ yards in the air on the games final play, which was naturally intercepted. 29-27 Arizona. Oregon State's offense scored three touchdowns and spent most of the game on Arizona's side of the field but had drives turned back at the 3, 11, 15, 19, 25, 29, 35 and 44. Because of turnovers and a stupid fourth down attempt, those eight drives only accounted for six points. Matt Moore went 32/43 for 436 yards and a touchdown. At the time, that was the fourth-most yards ever thrown by an Oregon State quarterback, and most ever against a Pac-10 opponent at Reser Stadium. It remains the most passing yards ever thrown by an Oregon State quarterback at Reser Stadium. Only Erik Wilhelm threw for more yards at Reser Stadium against Akron. Every other time Oregon State has thrown for more than 420 yards, it has been on the road. The second most yards thrown against a Pac-10/12 opponent is 419 against Washington State in 2014 by Sean Mannion. At the time, the second-most passing yards at Reser Stadium was Erik Wilhelm's 406 yards against USC in 1988. What is also crazy is that only five passes did not wind up being caught by someone. The game was a very hard pill to swallow for several reasons. Among them, the 2005 loss to Arizona was Oregon State's only homecoming loss between 1998 (Arizona) and 2011 (Stanford). The game left Oregon State 4-4, needing to win two of the final three to stand a shot at making a bowl game. The Beavers managed to knock a monkey of their back the week following with an 18-10 win over Washington, Oregon State's first win at Husky Stadium in more than 30 years. However, Matt Moore was hurt against Stanford and the final two games ended in losses to end the season. thanks for the research. I like to think my memory is better than it is - so I decided not to be lazy and do a little research myself before this posting. MM having seven turn-overs is one more than I remember. It was frustrating how winnable the game was - 654 to 384 in offensive yardage but having 7 turnovers to their 1. I may have been thinking two fumbles because the one seemed monumental: I think it was on a late if not final drive to win.
The Hawaii game was the next year 2006. Great game the Beavs won in a tough environment. The pass I'm referring to wouldn't be on any highlight reel, just a Favre-like bullet 30 yard pass across the field to the stick that made an impression on me. I remember it distinctly (for what that's worth). Pretty sure it was that game. May have been to Jackson however. Early second half. Maybe our first drive after the half. Like to find it. couldn't see your vid.
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