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Post by seastape on Jul 20, 2021 22:43:52 GMT -8
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Post by orangeattack on Jul 21, 2021 15:29:05 GMT -8
He leaves an enormous hole in the roster. Even with all the adoration he received, I feel like he is still criminally underrated even by our own fanbase. He was/is that good. |
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Post by seastape on Jul 21, 2021 18:07:00 GMT -8
He leaves an enormous hole in the roster. Even with all the adoration he received, I feel like he is still criminally underrated even by our own fanbase. He was/is that good. Absolutely agree. I don't think OSU has had a RB with that kind of patience and ability to read the development of a play in over 40 years. "Let the play develop in front of you." That's Jefferson. |
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Post by zebraworks on Aug 1, 2021 18:03:20 GMT -8
He leaves an enormous hole in the roster. Even with all the adoration he received, I feel like he is still criminally underrated even by our own fanbase. He was/is that good. totally agree on this point. our offense may really see a big setback without him there is my worry. we weren't tearing it up in the passing game especially with Gebbia who can't throw deep ball. if our next RB isn't at least above average we may see a setback in offense (although they could always just go to the guaranteed 5 yds plus per play QB we have to rush the ball!! hehe). we were effective at rushing last year and passing was getting better but not what was moving the chains for actual drives down the field. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 1, 2021 20:13:53 GMT -8
Take a look at the Gebbia to Quintoriano TD vs Cal. Threw from the 45 midfield to the 2 at the left corner in stride, probably 50 yards in the air and not lofted. How far does one need to throw to be able to throw a long pass?
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Post by zebraworks on Aug 1, 2021 22:01:40 GMT -8
Take a look at the Gebbia to Quintoriano TD vs Cal. Threw from the 45 midfield to the 2 at the left corner in stride, probably 50 yards in the air and not lofted. How far does one need to throw to be able to throw a long pass? he did complete one finally?? most of them are uncatchable over the head with no loft to get under. Hopefully he has practiced and can actually be accurate with long passes so the defenses will have a little bit tougher time playing us. But I kind of doubt he starts again unless we have injuries. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 2, 2021 7:20:52 GMT -8
He had one against Oregon that was 38 yards in the air and another that went 31 in the air against WSU also. I can't find any situational stats on him that gives completion percentages by distance. Gebbia really has only had only 4 games to try to get on a roll.
A lot of college QBs aren't very accurate beyond 20 yards or so, so he's got a lot of company. Not saying he's an elite talent, but we may be without "elite" talent this year - And in the many years we've had what I consider to be fairly elite talent there's been a lot of posters who've said those QBs couldn't hit the broadside of a barn, yet they ended up playing in the NFL. We got kinda spoiled with the recent stretch of Mannion and Luton. Gebbia still has plenty of time to prove himself if he wins the starting nod.
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 2, 2021 8:18:59 GMT -8
He leaves an enormous hole in the roster. Even with all the adoration he received, I feel like he is still criminally underrated even by our own fanbase. He was/is that good. He was a 3rd best RB in OSU history... Behind Steven Jackson and Quizz. His tenure, oddly, has been a lot like Matt Moore's. Sometimes fans don't realize what they had until it is too late. I think a lot of fans liked him, sure. everybody knew he was our best RB... but I don't think they recognized what they were seeing when they were seeing it. |
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Aug 2, 2021 8:49:29 GMT -8
He had one against Oregon that was 38 yards in the air and another that went 31 in the air against WSU also. I can't find any situational stats on him that gives completion percentages by distance. Gebbia really has only had only 4 games to try to get on a roll. A lot of college QBs aren't very accurate beyond 20 yards or so, so he's got a lot of company. Not saying he's an elite talent, but we may be without "elite" talent this year - And in the many years we've had what I consider to be fairly elite talent there's been a lot of posters who've said those QBs couldn't hit the broadside of a barn, yet they ended up playing in the NFL. We got kinda spoiled with the recent stretch of Mannion and Luton. Gebbia still has plenty of time to prove himself if he wins the starting nod. You must have been drinking during the stretch between Manninion and Luton however.........I know I was....... Go Beavs!! |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 2, 2021 9:22:49 GMT -8
He had one against Oregon that was 38 yards in the air and another that went 31 in the air against WSU also. I can't find any situational stats on him that gives completion percentages by distance. Gebbia really has only had only 4 games to try to get on a roll. A lot of college QBs aren't very accurate beyond 20 yards or so, so he's got a lot of company. Not saying he's an elite talent, but we may be without "elite" talent this year - And in the many years we've had what I consider to be fairly elite talent there's been a lot of posters who've said those QBs couldn't hit the broadside of a barn, yet they ended up playing in the NFL. We got kinda spoiled with the recent stretch of Mannion and Luton. Gebbia still has plenty of time to prove himself if he wins the starting nod. You must have been drinking during the stretch between Manninion and Luton however.........I know I was....... Go Beavs!! I apparently am succeding at wiping the GA era out of my memory. Collins, while a lot here loved his running ability, actually had a fairly decent long ball, and Mcmaryion, when finally given a chance at Fresno, actually had among the best long ball passing arms in the country. Weird how that all turned out. |
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 2, 2021 13:18:58 GMT -8
He leaves an enormous hole in the roster. Even with all the adoration he received, I feel like he is still criminally underrated even by our own fanbase. He was/is that good. He was a 3rd best RB in OSU history... Behind Steven Jackson and Quizz. His tenure, oddly, has been a lot like Matt Moore's. Sometimes fans don't realize what they had until it is too late. I think a lot of fans liked him, sure. everybody knew he was our best RB... but I don't think they recognized what they were seeing when they were seeing it. If "best" is determined by relative production, then I agree with you. If "best" is determined by NFL-translated play, then it's 1. SJack 2. Jermar 3. Quizz Quizz had a rare ability to make something out of nothing and he was certainly more productive and more durable than Jefferson. He was a great blocker and a polished pass receiver. But his major sin was that lack of true breakaway speed. He was a headache to be dealt with down after down, but Jefferson was a threat on every play, that had to be accounted for. With Quizz, you had a chance to recover if you took a bad angle. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 2, 2021 14:21:21 GMT -8
He was a 3rd best RB in OSU history... Behind Steven Jackson and Quizz. His tenure, oddly, has been a lot like Matt Moore's. Sometimes fans don't realize what they had until it is too late. I think a lot of fans liked him, sure. everybody knew he was our best RB... but I don't think they recognized what they were seeing when they were seeing it. If "best" is determined by relative production, then I agree with you. If "best" is determined by NFL-translated play, then it's 1. SJack 2. Jermar 3. Quizz Quizz had a rare ability to make something out of nothing and he was certainly more productive and more durable than Jefferson. He was a great blocker and a polished pass receiver. But his major sin was that lack of true breakaway speed. He was a headache to be dealt with down after down, but Jefferson was a threat on every play, that had to be accounted for. With Quizz, you had a chance to recover if you took a bad angle. "best" is essentially relative all around talent and ability as an Oregon State running back. Not necessarily NFL-translated play. Jackson simply goes without saying. A generational physical talent that had generational speed, power, vision, and was equally good catching and running. Honestly based on early offensive design, SJack's pass catching ability was wasted. Quizz for all you said. best feet, best short distance mobility and probably best vision of any RB I have ever seen. Obviously had the cardinal sin of being short with short legs in terms of homerun speed. Jermar was almost, but not quite as shifty as Quizz, almost, but not quite as good out of the back field, almost but not quite as good as making something out of nothing, but had more power and obviously more speed. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 2, 2021 14:34:22 GMT -8
He leaves an enormous hole in the roster. Even with all the adoration he received, I feel like he is still criminally underrated even by our own fanbase. He was/is that good. He was a 3rd best RB in OSU history... Behind Steven Jackson and Quizz. His tenure, oddly, has been a lot like Matt Moore's. Sometimes fans don't realize what they had until it is too late. I think a lot of fans liked him, sure. everybody knew he was our best RB... but I don't think they recognized what they were seeing when they were seeing it. Third best in the last 30 years? Sure. Also, I think that he is much less underappreciated than Matt Moore. Moore was so much better than fan perception that it was stupefying. It's like the sophomore corners can't cover and the defensive line is playing out of position. Therefore, the starting quarterback is a bum and needs to get benched. In fact, as a fun challenge, name a player that was more underappreciated than Matt Moore, during his time here. I think that Jefferson's problem is that he played on some terrible Oregon State teams. His profile reminds me more of Pat Chaffey or Dave Shilling, great running backs, who had the misfortune of playing on some terrible Oregon State teams. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 2, 2021 15:53:51 GMT -8
He was a 3rd best RB in OSU history... Behind Steven Jackson and Quizz. His tenure, oddly, has been a lot like Matt Moore's. Sometimes fans don't realize what they had until it is too late. I think a lot of fans liked him, sure. everybody knew he was our best RB... but I don't think they recognized what they were seeing when they were seeing it. Third best in the last 30 years? Sure. Also, I think that he is much less underappreciated than Matt Moore. Moore was so much better than fan perception that it was stupefying. It's like the sophomore corners can't cover and the defensive line is playing out of position. Therefore, the starting quarterback is a bum and needs to get benched. In fact, as a fun challenge, name a player that was more underappreciated than Matt Moore, during his time here. I think that Jefferson's problem is that he played on some terrible Oregon State teams. His profile reminds me more of Pat Chaffey or Dave Shilling, great running backs, who had the misfortune of playing on some terrible Oregon State teams. I honestly can't. The very strange Matt Moore hate came simply in a very strange time for Oregon state football 2005, 2006 where for some reason we had a vocal portion of the fanbase decide they aggressively hate Riley for not being Erickson and figure by 2005 we should of been back in the National Championship conversation because St. Dennis would surely of had us there. I think the Matt Moore hate was a bi-product of the "angry beaver" era, honestly. Hell I remember the OSU paper, the Barometer, needlessly and laughably joined in on the Moore hate after 2005. To be fair, he tossed a lot of INTs in 2005 and this feed into the Riley hate "His offense is too complicated" At any rate, not that anybody asked but that 2005-2006 era Riley offense remains my favorite OSU offense. The under center, play action, run first, down hill passing offense was beautiful. I like seeing your top 2 WRs average like 17 and 15 ypc... Its the way football should be played. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 2, 2021 17:29:44 GMT -8
Third best in the last 30 years? Sure. Also, I think that he is much less underappreciated than Matt Moore. Moore was so much better than fan perception that it was stupefying. It's like the sophomore corners can't cover and the defensive line is playing out of position. Therefore, the starting quarterback is a bum and needs to get benched. In fact, as a fun challenge, name a player that was more underappreciated than Matt Moore, during his time here. I think that Jefferson's problem is that he played on some terrible Oregon State teams. His profile reminds me more of Pat Chaffey or Dave Shilling, great running backs, who had the misfortune of playing on some terrible Oregon State teams. I honestly can't. The very strange Matt Moore hate came simply in a very strange time for Oregon state football 2005, 2006 where for some reason we had a vocal portion of the fanbase decide they aggressively hate Riley for not being Erickson and figure by 2005 we should of been back in the National Championship conversation because St. Dennis would surely of had us there. I think the Matt Moore hate was a bi-product of the "angry beaver" era, honestly. Hell I remember the OSU paper, the Barometer, needlessly and laughably joined in on the Moore hate after 2005. To be fair, he tossed a lot of INTs in 2005 and this feed into the Riley hate "His offense is too complicated" At any rate, not that anybody asked but that 2005-2006 era Riley offense remains my favorite OSU offense. The under center, play action, run first, down hill passing offense was beautiful. I like seeing your top 2 WRs average like 17 and 15 ypc... Its the way football should be played. The a-holes with the Can-Riley/Canfield signs sat right in front of me. Moore proved the wrong in 2006 and they had ditched their signs by the end of the year. |
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