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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 17, 2021 15:35:24 GMT -8
none of us would know anything if the Benton County Sheriff hadn't f%#*ed up. So there's that. Luke Heimlich's attorney successfully argued that, because Heimlich was a student, he was not an Oregon resident, so the particular law did not apply to him, which is a great argument to make. However, it is hard to fault the Benton County Sheriff from enforcing the law on an individual, who had lived in the State of Oregon for three years at that point and was not living on campus. The residency surrounding out-of-state students often are very complicated. I personally would rather the Benton County Sheriff's department error on the side of public safety, but I am a kook. If Heimlich had chosen to go to school at pretty much any other school, he would probably be pitching in the Majors now. I must stress that it is always important to hire a great lawyer from the get-go. And when you have a totally messed up legal history, because of a previous poor attorney, a great attorney can help you avoid the situation that Heimlich found himself in. Assuming Luke is innocent (despite his not contesting the charges), the villains are not the BCS Dept or the Oregonian or OSU. The villains would be his own dysfunctional immediate family who (again, assuming LH is innocent) framed him for a despicable crime he didn’t commit and placed him in a horrible no-win situation. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 17, 2021 15:55:22 GMT -8
Um, only 2 people actually know the truth, and Pat Casey isn't one of them. none of us would know anything if the Benton County Sheriff hadn't f%#*ed up. So there's that. Now THAT is the truth! |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 17, 2021 16:08:37 GMT -8
Luke Heimlich's attorney successfully argued that, because Heimlich was a student, he was not an Oregon resident, so the particular law did not apply to him, which is a great argument to make.
Yeah, it's a great argument to make. Because it's the frigging law. Washington was still his legal residence.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 17, 2021 18:27:04 GMT -8
Luke Heimlich's attorney successfully argued that, because Heimlich was a student, he was not an Oregon resident, so the particular law did not apply to him, which is a great argument to make.Yeah, it's a great argument to make. Because it's the frigging law. Washington was still his legal residence. The problem with the whole thing is his parents. Despite what trial he and his family would have to go through. If he was innocent, there’s no way I would ever tell my kid to plea to that…..shoplifting, maybe…. but not sexually assaulting a relative. I’d rather him get wrongfully convicted then ever having my child admit to that if they didn’t do it. Attorneys on this board may disagree with me, but I don’t care. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 17, 2021 21:17:24 GMT -8
Luke Heimlich's attorney successfully argued that, because Heimlich was a student, he was not an Oregon resident, so the particular law did not apply to him, which is a great argument to make. However, it is hard to fault the Benton County Sheriff from enforcing the law on an individual, who had lived in the State of Oregon for three years at that point and was not living on campus. The residency surrounding out-of-state students often are very complicated. I personally would rather the Benton County Sheriff's department error on the side of public safety, but I am a kook. If Heimlich had chosen to go to school at pretty much any other school, he would probably be pitching in the Majors now. I must stress that it is always important to hire a great lawyer from the get-go. And when you have a totally messed up legal history, because of a previous poor attorney, a great attorney can help you avoid the situation that Heimlich found himself in. Assuming Luke is innocent (despite his not contesting the charges), the villains are not the BCS Dept or the Oregonian or OSU. The villains would be his own dysfunctional immediate family who (again, assuming LH is innocent) framed him for a despicable crime he didn’t commit and placed him in a horrible no-win situation. If there is a villain, who is not Luke, it is his former sister-in-law and his craven brother. If there is anyone else, it is his idiot attorney, who told him to twice admit to something that he did not do and then had him admit to the later allegation, which is the only one that could get him in trouble with the Benton County Sherriff. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 17, 2021 21:35:13 GMT -8
Luke Heimlich's attorney successfully argued that, because Heimlich was a student, he was not an Oregon resident, so the particular law did not apply to him, which is a great argument to make.Yeah, it's a great argument to make. Because it's the frigging law. Washington was still his legal residence. He was a Washington resident for tax purposes, which makes him a Washington resident. It is one of those legal fiction things, though. He physically resided in Oregon for most of the year. 99+ times out of a 100, you want the Benton County Sherriff to make sure that child sex offenders are 100% complying with Oregon law. People get errantly-cited for things all of the time. Usually, though, the errant citation does not tip off a regional newspaper that you twice admitted that you sexually assaulted your niece. In addition to the foregoing, if this all does not happen, there is about a 1% chance that Oregon State wins the National Championship in 2018. So, I still do not get all of the hysteria from Oregon State fans about something that may or may not have happened in 2012. |
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Post by scythe on Jun 18, 2021 6:50:16 GMT -8
Luke Heimlich's attorney successfully argued that, because Heimlich was a student, he was not an Oregon resident, so the particular law did not apply to him, which is a great argument to make.Yeah, it's a great argument to make. Because it's the frigging law. Washington was still his legal residence. The problem with the whole thing is his parents. Despite what trial he and his family would have to go through. If he was innocent, there’s no way I would ever tell my kid to plea to that…..shoplifting, maybe…. but not sexually assaulting a relative. I’d rather him get wrongfully convicted then ever having my child admit to that if they didn’t do it. Attorneys on this board may disagree with me, but I don’t care. There are a lot of issues regarding Luke Heimlich’s case that should concern anyone interested in a fair and honest criminal justice system. First, law enforcement is legally allowed to lie to citizens. Many take this privilege to the level of lying to DA’s and judges. This is one reason no one, guilty or innocent, should talk to law enforcement without first talking to a legal counsel. Worth the watch; Now back to Beaver Baseball. What our defense going to look like next year? |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 18, 2021 7:42:55 GMT -8
The problem with the whole thing is his parents. Despite what trial he and his family would have to go through. If he was innocent, there’s no way I would ever tell my kid to plea to that…..shoplifting, maybe…. but not sexually assaulting a relative. I’d rather him get wrongfully convicted then ever having my child admit to that if they didn’t do it. Attorneys on this board may disagree with me, but I don’t care. There are a lot of issues regarding Luke Heimlich’s case that should concern anyone interested in a fair and honest criminal justice system. First, law enforcement is legally allowed to lie to citizens. Many take this privilege to the level of lying to DA’s and judges. This is one reason no one, guilty or innocent, should talk to law enforcement without first talking to a legal counsel. Worth the watch; Now back to Beaver Baseball. What our defense going to look like next year? " No one guilty or innocent should talk to law enforcement" What if one is a family member? What if you need directions? What if you just want to say hi? Your blanket statement is clearly ridiculous. And what in holy hell does that have to do with Luke Heimlich or OSU baseball. BTW, Regent University (the source of the linked video) was founded by (nut job) Pat Robertson in 1977 as Christian Broadcasting Network University. Probably about time to put this thread out of it's misery. |
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Post by scythe on Jun 18, 2021 8:18:49 GMT -8
There are a lot of issues regarding Luke Heimlich’s case that should concern anyone interested in a fair and honest criminal justice system. First, law enforcement is legally allowed to lie to citizens. Many take this privilege to the level of lying to DA’s and judges. This is one reason no one, guilty or innocent, should talk to law enforcement without first talking to a legal counsel. Worth the watch; Now back to Beaver Baseball. What our defense going to look like next year? " No one guilty or innocent should talk to law enforcement" What if one is a family member? What if you need directions? What if you just want to say hi? Your blanket statement is clearly ridiculous. And what in holy hell does that have to do with Luke Heimlich or OSU baseball. BTW, Regent University (the source of the linked video) was founded by (nut job) Pat Robertson in 1977 as Christian Broadcasting Network University. Probably about time to put this thread out of it's misery. "No one guilty or innocent should talk to law enforcement" LOL   , you just demonstrated how editing can change meaning. I was very clear about not talking to law enforcement regarding criminal investigations. That is reinforced by the link provided. It takes some real fractured reasoning to construe this to include social interactions. (directions, just say “hi”, etc.). “The university was founded by…Pat Robertson…” Obviously  , you cannot discredit the content of the video or don’t have the capability to do so. Therefore, you are just left with a feeble attack on the source. How sad. This is too easy. Anyway, what’s the early look for Beaver Baseball defense alignment next year? |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 18, 2021 8:52:54 GMT -8
" No one guilty or innocent should talk to law enforcement" What if one is a family member? What if you need directions? What if you just want to say hi? Your blanket statement is clearly ridiculous. And what in holy hell does that have to do with Luke Heimlich or OSU baseball. BTW, Regent University (the source of the linked video) was founded by (nut job) Pat Robertson in 1977 as Christian Broadcasting Network University. Probably about time to put this thread out of it's misery. "No one guilty or innocent should talk to law enforcement" LOL , you just demonstrated how editing can change meaning. I was very clear about not talking to law enforcement regarding criminal investigations. That is reinforced by the link provided. It takes some real fractured reasoning to construe this to include social interactions. (directions, just say “hi”, etc.). “The university was founded by…Pat Robertson…” Obviously , you cannot discredit the content of the video or don’t have the capability to do so. Therefore, you are just left with a feeble attack on the source. How sad. This is too easy. Anyway, what’s the early look for Beaver Baseball defense alignment next year? You didn't answer what the hell talking or not talking to L.E. has to do with LH's situation. |
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Post by scythe on Jun 18, 2021 10:41:39 GMT -8
"No one guilty or innocent should talk to law enforcement" LOL , you just demonstrated how editing can change meaning. I was very clear about not talking to law enforcement regarding criminal investigations. That is reinforced by the link provided. It takes some real fractured reasoning to construe this to include social interactions. (directions, just say “hi”, etc.). “The university was founded by…Pat Robertson…” Obviously , you cannot discredit the content of the video or don’t have the capability to do so. Therefore, you are just left with a feeble attack on the source. How sad. This is too easy. Anyway, what’s the early look for Beaver Baseball defense alignment next year? You didn't answer what the hell talking or not talking to L.E. has to do with LH's situation. This is the last thing I will say about LH or anything else not specific to Beaver Baseball. 1. He was interviewed (mentally tortured) by law enforcement for hours without legal counsel present. No one should ever consent to an interview without their lawyer present. 2. He was a juvenile and his records were sealed. Someone committed a crime putting those records in the public domain. 3. You can have respect for law enforcement. Never should you fully trust law enforcement.  4. What does our Beaver defense look like for next year? |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 18, 2021 11:17:34 GMT -8
You didn't answer what the hell talking or not talking to L.E. has to do with LH's situation. This is the last thing I will say about LH or anything else not specific to Beaver Baseball. 1. He was interviewed (mentally tortured) by law enforcement for hours without legal counsel present. No one should ever consent to an interview without their lawyer present. I'll take your word for it.2. He was a juvenile and his records were sealed. Someone committed a crime putting those records in the public domain. I could be wrong but wasn't the leaker the aggrieved relative (former sister-in-law)? How come LH's family didn't sue that "someone" for damages? 3. You can have respect for law enforcement. Never should you fully trust law enforcement. "Fully" is a helpful qualifier. Thanks for that.
4. What does our Beaver defense look like for next year? See my comments above in orange. |
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Post by beaverstever on Jun 18, 2021 12:48:11 GMT -8
This is the last thing I will say about LH or anything else not specific to Beaver Baseball. 1. He was interviewed (mentally tortured) by law enforcement for hours without legal counsel present. No one should ever consent to an interview without their lawyer present. I'll take your word for it.2. He was a juvenile and his records were sealed. Someone committed a crime putting those records in the public domain. I could be wrong but wasn't the leaker the aggrieved relative (former sister-in-law)? How come LH's family didn't sue that "someone" for damages? 3. You can have respect for law enforcement. Never should you fully trust law enforcement. "Fully" is a helpful qualifier. Thanks for that.
4. What does our Beaver defense look like for next year? See my comments above in orange. I’m not sure how you would sue someone for turning the press onto a public court record (not exactly a “leak”), a record that became public due to LH’s own inaction. I guess you could technically sue, but there’s no chance of winning. |
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, you just demonstrated how editing can change meaning. I was very clear about not talking to law enforcement regarding criminal investigations. That is reinforced by the link provided. It takes some real fractured reasoning to construe this to include social interactions. (directions, just say “hi”, etc.).
, you cannot discredit the content of the video or don’t have the capability to do so. Therefore, you are just left with a feeble attack on the source. How sad.
