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Post by beaverbeliever on Jun 3, 2021 20:58:55 GMT -8
As for Yeskie, let's see how Arizona does this year. If the Wildcats advance to Omaha, I expect a lot of other schools to come calling. Arizona does not have the history that a lot of other schools do and cannot throw around the money that some of the schools can, especially in the Southeast. They can't throw around the money, but don't have the history? National Champions: 1976, 1980, 1986, 2012 National Runner-ups: 1956, 1959, 1963, 2016 CWS Appearances: 17 |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 3, 2021 21:22:59 GMT -8
To be fair, small PERS checks. Not quite $50k per month, that's chump change for Sabin and Harbaugh. I’m not sure Sabin, the inventor of the oral polio vaccine made that kind of cheddar. Sabin actually refused to patent his vaccine and never earned a penny. There have been no polio cases in the United States of America since 2005. All-around great guy. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 3, 2021 21:36:47 GMT -8
ARZ isn't exactly a pitching juggernaut this season though. Their Friday guy has a good record with a crappy ERA.....all I'm saying is not sure how much accolades will be thrown Yeskies way. Silseth was pitching at Southern Nevada last year. First team All-Pac-12 this year. Third in the Pac-12 in strikeouts. Catcher Daniel Susac was a Nate Yeskie recruit. All-freshman, All-defensive and All-conference as a freshman. Susac tied or set seven different Arizona freshman hitting records. If other ADs are not noticing, they are idiots. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 3, 2021 22:54:53 GMT -8
OSU won the Northern Division championship in 1994, the year before Pat Casey became coach. It had three draft choices on that team, including a first-round choice. The 1993 OSU Beavers also had a first-round draft choice. Two players from the 1993/1994 teams had decent MLB careers and five were drafted. OSU had at least two players drafted in 1977, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1991, 1993 and 1994. It was an underfunded program when Casey took over but it was far, far from a bad program. Oregon State won the Northern Division in 1994, but Oregon State's non-conference slate was so weak that Washington went to Wichita in Oregon State's place. 1994 Oregon State was blessed with a once-in-a-decade (at least) level of in-state talent. Each of the five players drafted in 1993 and 1994 were from Oregon: Jamie Burke Roseburg Jim Champion Corvallis Scott Christman Tigard Mason Smith Beaverton
Mike Thurman Philomath
Both players drafted in 1991 were from Lower Columbia Community College. One played for Oregon State one year, the other for two years.
I think that the only good player that was not from Oregon between 1986 and 1994 was Jeff Brauning, who was a junior college transfer from Shasta Junior College, originally from Napa. A great hitter, but he only played for Oregon State in 1988 and 1989.
Oregon State was really a juggernaut before that. After Oregon suspended their program at the end of the 1981 season, Oregon State won four of the next five Pac-12 North Championships. The Beavers lost the play-in to Stanford in 1982 but went to the 1983 and 1985 Stanford Regionals and the 1986 Stillwater Regional (losing in the semifinal to Stanford). After that, though, the same pressures that consumed the Oregon baseball team started to catch up to the Oregon State baseball team.
Riley did what he could to keep the program afloat after that point, and he did an excellent job, given everything working against him. But, by 1994, Oregon State was playing a terrible schedule in a completely inadequate stadium without lights and on a field that was not level and allowed water to pool in the outfield.
Casey came in and fixed all of that in eight years, started to win real recruiting battles and upgrading pretty much everything. Then, he started to build a National Championship contender. Phenomenal. It is astounding that Casey was able to do in a decade.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jun 4, 2021 5:17:38 GMT -8
ARZ isn't exactly a pitching juggernaut this season though. Their Friday guy has a good record with a crappy ERA.....all I'm saying is not sure how much accolades will be thrown Yeskies way. Silseth was pitching at Southern Nevada last year. First team All-Pac-12 this year. Third in the Pac-12 in strikeouts. Catcher Daniel Susac was a Nate Yeskie recruit. All-freshman, All-defensive and All-conference as a freshman. Susac tied or set seven different Arizona freshman hitting records. If other ADs are not noticing, they are idiots. Without their offense, Silseth doesn't sniff all conf......and how much credit does a guy get for bringing one good recruit with him? I mean i get it, a program has success the assistants automatically get rec, I just don't see this ARZ squad as much to do with Yeskie. Jay Johnson is a good HC |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 4, 2021 10:10:10 GMT -8
OSU won the Northern Division championship in 1994, the year before Pat Casey became coach. It had three draft choices on that team, including a first-round choice. The 1993 OSU Beavers also had a first-round draft choice. Two players from the 1993/1994 teams had decent MLB careers and five were drafted. OSU had at least two players drafted in 1977, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1991, 1993 and 1994. It was an underfunded program when Casey took over but it was far, far from a bad program. Oregon State won the Northern Division in 1994, but Oregon State's non-conference slate was so weak that Washington went to Wichita in Oregon State's place. 1994 Oregon State was blessed with a once-in-a-decade (at least) level of in-state talent. Each of the five players drafted in 1993 and 1994 were from Oregon: Jamie Burke Roseburg Jim Champion Corvallis Scott Christman Tigard Mason Smith Beaverton
Mike Thurman Philomath
Both players drafted in 1991 were from Lower Columbia Community College. One played for Oregon State one year, the other for two years.
I think that the only good player that was not from Oregon between 1986 and 1994 was Jeff Brauning, who was a junior college transfer from Shasta Junior College, originally from Napa. A great hitter, but he only played for Oregon State in 1988 and 1989.
Oregon State was really a juggernaut before that. After Oregon suspended their program at the end of the 1981 season, Oregon State won four of the next five Pac-12 North Championships. The Beavers lost the play-in to Stanford in 1982 but went to the 1983 and 1985 Stanford Regionals and the 1986 Stillwater Regional (losing in the semifinal to Stanford). After that, though, the same pressures that consumed the Oregon baseball team started to catch up to the Oregon State baseball team.
Riley did what he could to keep the program afloat after that point, and he did an excellent job, given everything working against him. But, by 1994, Oregon State was playing a terrible schedule in a completely inadequate stadium without lights and on a field that was not level and allowed water to pool in the outfield.
Casey came in and fixed all of that in eight years, started to win real recruiting battles and upgrading pretty much everything. Then, he started to build a National Championship contender. Phenomenal. It is astounding that Casey was able to do in a decade.
Blah, blah blah. Doesn't change the fact you said OSU was a bad, bad program before Casey. Which was not true in the least. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 4, 2021 14:45:37 GMT -8
Oregon State won the Northern Division in 1994, but Oregon State's non-conference slate was so weak that Washington went to Wichita in Oregon State's place. 1994 Oregon State was blessed with a once-in-a-decade (at least) level of in-state talent. Each of the five players drafted in 1993 and 1994 were from Oregon: Jamie Burke Roseburg Jim Champion Corvallis Scott Christman Tigard Mason Smith Beaverton
Mike Thurman Philomath
Both players drafted in 1991 were from Lower Columbia Community College. One played for Oregon State one year, the other for two years.
I think that the only good player that was not from Oregon between 1986 and 1994 was Jeff Brauning, who was a junior college transfer from Shasta Junior College, originally from Napa. A great hitter, but he only played for Oregon State in 1988 and 1989.
Oregon State was really a juggernaut before that. After Oregon suspended their program at the end of the 1981 season, Oregon State won four of the next five Pac-12 North Championships. The Beavers lost the play-in to Stanford in 1982 but went to the 1983 and 1985 Stanford Regionals and the 1986 Stillwater Regional (losing in the semifinal to Stanford). After that, though, the same pressures that consumed the Oregon baseball team started to catch up to the Oregon State baseball team.
Riley did what he could to keep the program afloat after that point, and he did an excellent job, given everything working against him. But, by 1994, Oregon State was playing a terrible schedule in a completely inadequate stadium without lights and on a field that was not level and allowed water to pool in the outfield.
Casey came in and fixed all of that in eight years, started to win real recruiting battles and upgrading pretty much everything. Then, he started to build a National Championship contender. Phenomenal. It is astounding that Casey was able to do in a decade.
Blah, blah blah. Doesn't change the fact you said OSU was a bad, bad program before Casey. Which was not true in the least. In 1992, Oregon State finished in dead last, sixth-place in the Pac-10 North. And the Beavers earned the cellar, being four games clear of fifth-place Gonzaga and five games clear of third- and fourth-place Portland and Portland State. Pac-10 North Champion Washington finished 10 games above .500, and Oregon State finished 10 games below. In 1991, Oregon State finished behind Portland in the Pac-10 North. In 1989, Oregon State finished behind both Gonzaga and Portland in the Pac-10 North. Oregon State's Pac-10 North Championship in 1994 was the Beavers' first in 1986. The problem was that Oregon State played in front of a chain link fence. The fans sat on temporary bleachers. And the outfield "wall" appears to be a chain link fence covered in a tarp. There were no lights. There was, however, a big hole in the outfield that filled with water, when water fell from the sky. Oregon State went 36-15 in 1994, but eight of those games were against Division 3 and NAIA teams. No one else would play Oregon State, given the state of the program. And Oregon State only went 7-1 against those eight teams. Washington finished nine games better in non-conference play against a more difficult schedule and won four-of-seven games against Oregon State. That was good enough for the NCAA Baseball Committee to leap Washington over Oregon State as the de facto 1994 Pac-10 North Champion. Oregon State was good from 1982-1986. Not good in 1987 and 1988. And downright bad thereafter. The stadium and conference set-up did not help. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 4, 2021 14:53:02 GMT -8
As for Yeskie, let's see how Arizona does this year. If the Wildcats advance to Omaha, I expect a lot of other schools to come calling. Arizona does not have the history that a lot of other schools do and cannot throw around the money that some of the schools can, especially in the Southeast. They can't throw around the money, but don't have the history? National Champions: 1976, 1980, 1986, 2012 National Runner-ups: 1956, 1959, 1963, 2016 CWS Appearances: 17 One National Championship in 2012. One Runner-up in 2016. And those are Arizona's two College World Series appearances in the past 15 years. Everything else is beyond any recruit's memory. That is the history that I was referencing. Arizona's runs in the Reagan and Ford Presidencies (and the earlier runs in the Kennedy and Eisenhower Presidencies) are great and everything, but I do not believe that any recruit is coming, because Chip Hale, Gil Heredia and Tommy Hinzo led Arizona to a National Championship a little more than six weeks after Chernobyl. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 4, 2021 18:51:02 GMT -8
Blah, blah blah. Doesn't change the fact you said OSU was a bad, bad program before Casey. Which was not true in the least. In 1992, Oregon State finished in dead last, sixth-place in the Pac-10 North. And the Beavers earned the cellar, being four games clear of fifth-place Gonzaga and five games clear of third- and fourth-place Portland and Portland State. Pac-10 North Champion Washington finished 10 games above .500, and Oregon State finished 10 games below. In 1991, Oregon State finished behind Portland in the Pac-10 North. In 1989, Oregon State finished behind both Gonzaga and Portland in the Pac-10 North. Oregon State's Pac-10 North Championship in 1994 was the Beavers' first in 1986. The problem was that Oregon State played in front of a chain link fence. The fans sat on temporary bleachers. And the outfield "wall" appears to be a chain link fence covered in a tarp. There were no lights. There was, however, a big hole in the outfield that filled with water, when water fell from the sky. Oregon State went 36-15 in 1994, but eight of those games were against Division 3 and NAIA teams. No one else would play Oregon State, given the state of the program. And Oregon State only went 7-1 against those eight teams. Washington finished nine games better in non-conference play against a more difficult schedule and won four-of-seven games against Oregon State. That was good enough for the NCAA Baseball Committee to leap Washington over Oregon State as the de facto 1994 Pac-10 North Champion. Oregon State was good from 1982-1986. Not good in 1987 and 1988. And downright bad thereafter. The stadium and conference set-up did not help. Blah blah blah. Did Washington get de facto rings in 1994? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 4, 2021 18:57:14 GMT -8
In 1992, Oregon State finished in dead last, sixth-place in the Pac-10 North. And the Beavers earned the cellar, being four games clear of fifth-place Gonzaga and five games clear of third- and fourth-place Portland and Portland State. Pac-10 North Champion Washington finished 10 games above .500, and Oregon State finished 10 games below. In 1991, Oregon State finished behind Portland in the Pac-10 North. In 1989, Oregon State finished behind both Gonzaga and Portland in the Pac-10 North. Oregon State's Pac-10 North Championship in 1994 was the Beavers' first in 1986. The problem was that Oregon State played in front of a chain link fence. The fans sat on temporary bleachers. And the outfield "wall" appears to be a chain link fence covered in a tarp. There were no lights. There was, however, a big hole in the outfield that filled with water, when water fell from the sky. Oregon State went 36-15 in 1994, but eight of those games were against Division 3 and NAIA teams. No one else would play Oregon State, given the state of the program. And Oregon State only went 7-1 against those eight teams. Washington finished nine games better in non-conference play against a more difficult schedule and won four-of-seven games against Oregon State. That was good enough for the NCAA Baseball Committee to leap Washington over Oregon State as the de facto 1994 Pac-10 North Champion. Oregon State was good from 1982-1986. Not good in 1987 and 1988. And downright bad thereafter. The stadium and conference set-up did not help. Blah blah blah. Did Washington get de facto rings in 1994? Love the history lesson from the guy that has no clue about the program during that time or watched a game in person back then. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 4, 2021 20:32:25 GMT -8
In 1992, Oregon State finished in dead last, sixth-place in the Pac-10 North. And the Beavers earned the cellar, being four games clear of fifth-place Gonzaga and five games clear of third- and fourth-place Portland and Portland State. Pac-10 North Champion Washington finished 10 games above .500, and Oregon State finished 10 games below. In 1991, Oregon State finished behind Portland in the Pac-10 North. In 1989, Oregon State finished behind both Gonzaga and Portland in the Pac-10 North. Oregon State's Pac-10 North Championship in 1994 was the Beavers' first in 1986. The problem was that Oregon State played in front of a chain link fence. The fans sat on temporary bleachers. And the outfield "wall" appears to be a chain link fence covered in a tarp. There were no lights. There was, however, a big hole in the outfield that filled with water, when water fell from the sky. Oregon State went 36-15 in 1994, but eight of those games were against Division 3 and NAIA teams. No one else would play Oregon State, given the state of the program. And Oregon State only went 7-1 against those eight teams. Washington finished nine games better in non-conference play against a more difficult schedule and won four-of-seven games against Oregon State. That was good enough for the NCAA Baseball Committee to leap Washington over Oregon State as the de facto 1994 Pac-10 North Champion. Oregon State was good from 1982-1986. Not good in 1987 and 1988. And downright bad thereafter. The stadium and conference set-up did not help. Blah blah blah. Did Washington get de facto rings in 1994? Did Oregon State? If so, I never saw Mike Thurman sport it. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 4, 2021 21:23:29 GMT -8
Blah blah blah. Did Washington get de facto rings in 1994? Love the history lesson from the guy that has no clue about the program during that time or watched a game in person back then. Love the appeal from age logical fallacy. At one point in time, I had a game ball signed by several members of the 1990 Richey's Market team that made up the backbone of the 1993 and 1994 Oregon State teams. I walked past the ballpark several times from 1990-1994, but it was usually on the way to Gill or Parker. So, feel free to preach away about why I am wrong. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 5, 2021 6:27:19 GMT -8
Blah blah blah. Did Washington get de facto rings in 1994? Did Oregon State? If so, I never saw Mike Thurman sport it. I have no idea. But there is no such thing as a de facto champion when an official champion is crowned. The NCAA selected Washington because of one three-game series at Wichita State. A 30-game conference season determined OSU was the better team. Pat Casey eventually created a national powerhouse. But he did not inherit a bad, bad program, as you incorrectly allege. PS: The bleachers at Coleman Field were not "temporary." They were made of wood, and were inadequate. But they were most definitely permanent, and served for many decades before being removed with the 1998-99 construction of the original Goss Stadium (which also included some chain-link fence, and no lights). But those of us who actually went to games in that era already knew this. |
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Post by billsaab on Jun 5, 2021 8:24:32 GMT -8
Seems Yeske should be rewarded eventually. Susan really impresses Me for ua. They have 4 National titles as well. So relevance is not situational. We need to worry about us staying relevant.
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