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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 24, 2021 15:51:25 GMT -8
In 2019:
Oregon State scored 32 times to Arizona's 10 in a sweep at Corvallis, the Beavers won each game by four runs.
In 2021:
Arizona gave up only 15 runs. Oregon State pitching gave up 19 runs.
In total, Arizona's pitching gave up 17 fewer runs in a three-game set and Oregon State's pitching gave up an additional nine runs.
I miss Nate Yeskie.
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Post by irimi on May 25, 2021 6:52:17 GMT -8
I’ll buy that. I liked him as a pitching coach and didn’t want to see him leave. I have hope for Dorman, but he also has some rather large shoes to fill.
Only time will tell, but Dorman seems to have the pitchers’ arms and health in mind maybe more than Yeskie did. Different philosophies, I’m sure.
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Post by speakthetruth on May 25, 2021 7:29:50 GMT -8
Maybe it has nothing to do with coaching. Maybe two years later Arizona just has more talent.
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Post by gnawitall on May 25, 2021 7:50:48 GMT -8
Maybe it has nothing to do with coaching. Maybe two years later Arizona just has more talent. or Mitch and Dorman are still in the process of teaching jedi mind tricks. |
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Post by beaver1989 on May 25, 2021 7:58:52 GMT -8
Maybe it has nothing to do with coaching. Maybe two years later Arizona just has more talent. Arizona pitching in 2019 was atrocious, but that club could hit. They would score 8 runs but give up 7. They also missed the tournament in 2019. |
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Post by nabeav on May 25, 2021 8:22:45 GMT -8
Do you think there's more of an emphasis on velocity and spin rates now than there was in 2019 from the coaching staff? I'd be curious to know what the differences in philosophies are, or is it just we had some very accurate pitchers in 2019 (Fehmel and Gambrell) who helped out in that regard.
I mean, Kevin Abel has walked 50 guys and hit another 17 in 77 innings this season. He's also struck out 99 guys. Is that because the pitching coach is emphasizing strikeouts and not letting the ball be put in play? Is this different from what the strategy was under Yeskie? Or is it just like the evolution of baseball with all the Pitching Ninja stuff and stat tracking and analytics going on.
Jake Mulholland
2019: 46.2 IP, 40H, 10ER, 41K, 11BB - 3W 3L 8SV, 1.93 ERA
2021: 27 IP, 21H, 10ER, 22K, 9BB - 2W 2L 13SV, 3.33 ERA
Mitchell Verberg
2019: 25.2 IP, 15H, 4ER, 38K, 7BB - 1W 0L 2SV, 1.40 ERA
2021: 20.2 IP, 18H, 8ER, 18K, 5BB - 1W 0L 1SV, 3.48 ERA
The biggest difference I see (aside from the insane amount of walks and hit batters) is that there seems to be more of a willingness to use everyone on the roster now. 18 guys have thrown a pitch in 2021, compared to just 13 in 2019. Six guys threw over 40 innings in 2019, just 4 this year.
Also as mentioned above, pitching injuries haven't been an issue this year, which might be the first time we can say that in a long time.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 25, 2021 8:39:30 GMT -8
I wasn't that impressed with ARZ's staff. From what I saw, top to bottom, I'll take our staff. Their lineup is definitely more dangerous though
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Post by mbabeav on May 25, 2021 9:36:20 GMT -8
Do you think there's more of an emphasis on velocity and spin rates now than there was in 2019 from the coaching staff? I'd be curious to know what the differences in philosophies are, or is it just we had some very accurate pitchers in 2019 (Fehmel and Gambrell) who helped out in that regard. I mean, Kevin Abel has walked 50 guys and hit another 17 in 77 innings this season. He's also struck out 99 guys. Is that because the pitching coach is emphasizing strikeouts and not letting the ball be put in play? Is this different from what the strategy was under Yeskie? Or is it just like the evolution of baseball with all the Pitching Ninja stuff and stat tracking and analytics going on. Jake Mulholland2019: 46.2 IP, 40H, 10ER, 41K, 11BB - 3W 3L 8SV, 1.93 ERA 2021: 27 IP, 21H, 10ER, 22K, 9BB - 2W 2L 13SV, 3.33 ERA Mitchell Verberg2019: 25.2 IP, 15H, 4ER, 38K, 7BB - 1W 0L 2SV, 1.40 ERA 2021: 20.2 IP, 18H, 8ER, 18K, 5BB - 1W 0L 1SV, 3.48 ERA The biggest difference I see (aside from the insane amount of walks and hit batters) is that there seems to be more of a willingness to use everyone on the roster now. 18 guys have thrown a pitch in 2021, compared to just 13 in 2019. Six guys threw over 40 innings in 2019, just 4 this year. Also as mentioned above, pitching injuries haven't been an issue this year, which might be the first time we can say that in a long time. I think, as has been my opinion for a while now, that there are too many arms in the bullpen. While I don't want to see anyone overworked, there is a downside to throwing too few innings in competition as well. When the Covid roster expansion decreases, my thought is that we will see a tighter rotation next season. Also will see people with more experience - lot's of good frosh arms out there! |
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Post by irimi on May 25, 2021 9:50:10 GMT -8
Do you think there's more of an emphasis on velocity and spin rates now than there was in 2019 from the coaching staff? I'd be curious to know what the differences in philosophies are, or is it just we had some very accurate pitchers in 2019 (Fehmel and Gambrell) who helped out in that regard. I mean, Kevin Abel has walked 50 guys and hit another 17 in 77 innings this season. He's also struck out 99 guys. Is that because the pitching coach is emphasizing strikeouts and not letting the ball be put in play? Is this different from what the strategy was under Yeskie? Or is it just like the evolution of baseball with all the Pitching Ninja stuff and stat tracking and analytics going on. Jake Mulholland2019: 46.2 IP, 40H, 10ER, 41K, 11BB - 3W 3L 8SV, 1.93 ERA 2021: 27 IP, 21H, 10ER, 22K, 9BB - 2W 2L 13SV, 3.33 ERA Mitchell Verberg2019: 25.2 IP, 15H, 4ER, 38K, 7BB - 1W 0L 2SV, 1.40 ERA 2021: 20.2 IP, 18H, 8ER, 18K, 5BB - 1W 0L 1SV, 3.48 ERA The biggest difference I see (aside from the insane amount of walks and hit batters) is that there seems to be more of a willingness to use everyone on the roster now. 18 guys have thrown a pitch in 2021, compared to just 13 in 2019. Six guys threw over 40 innings in 2019, just 4 this year. Also as mentioned above, pitching injuries haven't been an issue this year, which might be the first time we can say that in a long time. I think, as has been my opinion for a while now, that there are too many arms in the bullpen. While I don't want to see anyone overworked, there is a downside to throwing too few innings in competition as well. When the Covid roster expansion decreases, my thought is that we will see a tighter rotation next season. Also will see people with more experience - lot's of good frosh arms out there! I've been wondering about this myself. There's a whole platoon of second-level guys and a handful of third stringers behind them. Every pitcher has thrown some in a game, and I don't think we've ever seen that before. I like our pitching staff. I think we have a lot of talented guys there, and I hope we can keep most of them for next year. |
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Post by irimi on May 25, 2021 9:53:15 GMT -8
In 2019: Oregon State scored 32 times to Arizona's 10 in a sweep at Corvallis, the Beavers won each game by four runs. In 2021: Arizona gave up only 15 runs. Oregon State pitching gave up 19 runs. In total, Arizona's pitching gave up 17 fewer runs in a three-game set and Oregon State's pitching gave up an additional nine runs. I miss Nate Yeskie. It's an interesting take, but let's see the long run. Yeskie isn't content to be a pitching coach--he showed that by leaving a great club where he was very much appreciated. So how long will Yeskie stay in AZ as a pitching coach? Not long, I'm pretty sure. We are not the club we were in 2019. Arizona is definitely not the club they were in 2019. I don't think either has much to do with Yeskie. Sure, some, but not much. |
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Post by zeroposter on May 25, 2021 10:03:30 GMT -8
Do you think there's more of an emphasis on velocity and spin rates now than there was in 2019 from the coaching staff? I'd be curious to know what the differences in philosophies are, or is it just we had some very accurate pitchers in 2019 (Fehmel and Gambrell) who helped out in that regard. I mean, Kevin Abel has walked 50 guys and hit another 17 in 77 innings this season. He's also struck out 99 guys. Is that because the pitching coach is emphasizing strikeouts and not letting the ball be put in play? Is this different from what the strategy was under Yeskie? Or is it just like the evolution of baseball with all the Pitching Ninja stuff and stat tracking and analytics going on. Jake Mulholland2019: 46.2 IP, 40H, 10ER, 41K, 11BB - 3W 3L 8SV, 1.93 ERA 2021: 27 IP, 21H, 10ER, 22K, 9BB - 2W 2L 13SV, 3.33 ERA Mitchell Verberg2019: 25.2 IP, 15H, 4ER, 38K, 7BB - 1W 0L 2SV, 1.40 ERA 2021: 20.2 IP, 18H, 8ER, 18K, 5BB - 1W 0L 1SV, 3.48 ERA The biggest difference I see (aside from the insane amount of walks and hit batters) is that there seems to be more of a willingness to use everyone on the roster now. 18 guys have thrown a pitch in 2021, compared to just 13 in 2019. Six guys threw over 40 innings in 2019, just 4 this year. Also as mentioned above, pitching injuries haven't been an issue this year, which might be the first time we can say that in a long time. The use of so many pitchers is good from the standpoint of development of the young guys. No doubt. The problem at times appears to me, and it is JMHO, that some of the outstanding arms appear stale at key times. A guy has a good appearance one game for an inning and it might be an entire week or longer before the guy is in a game situation again. Watkins on Sunday came into a stressful, tough situation and wasn't sharp initially. I thought he gained a lot of command, and his breaking ball was far better after the first inning of pitching. Add in that a couple of Arizona hits were seeing eye prayers on tough pitches. Just a little stale to start. Nate never really had a deep pen so the key arms out of the pen were used frequently with more pitches per outing. Again, jmho without going deep into the stats but the key guys just look a little stale at times. |
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Post by zeroposter on May 25, 2021 10:05:05 GMT -8
Do you think there's more of an emphasis on velocity and spin rates now than there was in 2019 from the coaching staff? I'd be curious to know what the differences in philosophies are, or is it just we had some very accurate pitchers in 2019 (Fehmel and Gambrell) who helped out in that regard. I mean, Kevin Abel has walked 50 guys and hit another 17 in 77 innings this season. He's also struck out 99 guys. Is that because the pitching coach is emphasizing strikeouts and not letting the ball be put in play? Is this different from what the strategy was under Yeskie? Or is it just like the evolution of baseball with all the Pitching Ninja stuff and stat tracking and analytics going on. Jake Mulholland2019: 46.2 IP, 40H, 10ER, 41K, 11BB - 3W 3L 8SV, 1.93 ERA 2021: 27 IP, 21H, 10ER, 22K, 9BB - 2W 2L 13SV, 3.33 ERA Mitchell Verberg2019: 25.2 IP, 15H, 4ER, 38K, 7BB - 1W 0L 2SV, 1.40 ERA 2021: 20.2 IP, 18H, 8ER, 18K, 5BB - 1W 0L 1SV, 3.48 ERA The biggest difference I see (aside from the insane amount of walks and hit batters) is that there seems to be more of a willingness to use everyone on the roster now. 18 guys have thrown a pitch in 2021, compared to just 13 in 2019. Six guys threw over 40 innings in 2019, just 4 this year. Also as mentioned above, pitching injuries haven't been an issue this year, which might be the first time we can say that in a long time. I think, as has been my opinion for a while now, that there are too many arms in the bullpen. While I don't want to see anyone overworked, there is a downside to throwing too few innings in competition as well. When the Covid roster expansion decreases, my thought is that we will see a tighter rotation next season. Also will see people with more experience - lot's of good frosh arms out there! I was typing while you were posting. My thoughts exactly but better stated. Lol. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 25, 2021 12:56:46 GMT -8
Maybe it has nothing to do with coaching. Maybe two years later Arizona just has more talent. Since Nate Yeskie joined Arizona, he has remade the staff. He personally recruited the Friday starter, Chase Silseth, and the Saturday starter, Garrett Irvin. He recruited T.J. Nichols (who was an Oregon State recruit before Yeskie left for Arizona), Riley Cooper, Dawson Netz, and Chandler Murphy. In fact, more than 2/3 of the innings pitched were pitched by pitchers that Yeskie recruits. The other famous Yeskie recruit, who initially inked with Oregon State before following Yeskie to Arizona? Andrew Susac's younger brother, Daniel Susac, who has been catching and hitting 4th/5th all year, who leads the Pac-12 in hits and RBIs and is second in home runs and who has a major league arm. Maybe, two years later, Arizona does have more talent. And maybe a large reason for that is Nate Yeskie! |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 25, 2021 13:38:58 GMT -8
It doesn't seem like Verburg throws as hard as he used to....anyone else thought that? I could be wrong, but I seem to remember him throwing harder.
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Post by zeroposter on May 25, 2021 13:56:13 GMT -8
Maybe it has nothing to do with coaching. Maybe two years later Arizona just has more talent. Since Nate Yeskie joined Arizona, he has remade the staff. He personally recruited the Friday starter, Chase Silseth, and the Saturday starter, Garrett Irvin. He recruited T.J. Nichols (who was an Oregon State recruit before Yeskie left for Arizona), Riley Cooper, Dawson Netz, and Chandler Murphy. In fact, more than 2/3 of the innings pitched were pitched by pitchers that Yeskie recruits. The other famous Yeskie recruit, who initially inked with Oregon State before following Yeskie to Arizona? Andrew Susac's younger brother, Daniel Susac, who has been catching and hitting 4th/5th all year, who leads the Pac-12 in hits and RBIs and is second in home runs and who has a major league arm. Maybe, two years later, Arizona does have more talent. And maybe a large reason for that is Nate Yeskie! Arizona's recent class rankings (mixed bag of sites): 2020. 4 2019 11 2018: 3 2017: 23 2016: 4 2015: 20 Arizona nearly always has far higher ranked, incoming talent than Oregon State. As does UCLA. As does Oregon. As does ASU. As does Stanford. As does USC(recently upward again) Most of the teams the Beavers play have much higher rated talent than the Beavers. The current Beaver team has primarily the talent from the period when Yeskie had taken over the recruiting coordinator role from Bailey. Bailey's last classes as the primary recruiter were very good, and the loss of athletes when Yeskie moved did hurt. I like the incoming talent to OSU. But if you are saying that Yeskie has greatly increased Arizona's talent over their normal inflow(ranking based which in itself is obviously not the total sum), you are full of crap. Arizona always has talent. Now, Yeskie gets credit for helping elevate this Arizona staff for sure. No doubt. |
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