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Post by mountainbeaver on May 30, 2016 15:15:28 GMT -8
Plain and simply we got hosed. We end up tied with ASU, a team we swept, and they get in? The only way to explain that is politics and bias. No doubt having Utah somehow win the conference screwed the perception of the pac 12, but this feels really bad and corrupt. Don't get me started on South Alabama. Granted, we had a disappointing year by Casey standards, but this team earned its way in this weekend. Going to be pissed for a while. Suspect the tar heels feel the same.
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Post by eugenedave on May 30, 2016 15:56:06 GMT -8
Plain and simply we got hosed. We end up tied with ASU, a team we swept, and they get in? The only way to explain that is politics and bias. No doubt having Utah somehow win the conference screwed the perception of the pac 12, but this feels really bad and corrupt. Don't get me started on South Alabama. Granted, we had a disappointing year by Casey standards, but this team earned its way in this weekend. Going to be pissed for a while. Suspect the tar heels feel the same. FWIW, Casey says we were hosed too. I guess he didn't smooze the correct NCAA Selection Committee hack. This happens every year, where a few deserving teams say WTF. And yes, I know the only way to make sure this doesn't happen is to have a better season. The system is flawed and the NCAA doesn't care. www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/05/oregon_state_baseball_coach_pa_2.html
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 30, 2016 17:39:48 GMT -8
Actually, 3 way tie for 3rd. Three-way tie for third, but tiebreakers keep Oregon State ahead of Arizona State no matter how you slice it. The Beavers did better the last two weekends and had a better final 10. Other than RPI, Oregon State finished ahead of Arizona State in most metrics. The Sun Devils, though, played a tougher non-conference slate. Arizona State played Cal State Fullerton in a two-game midweek series in Fullerton and beat the Titans twice. Oregon State, by contrast, played San Diego State in a two-game midweek series at home and split. Arizona State played Arizona in midweek games (split), instead of Oregon (split). Arizona State's three-game mid-season non-conference series was against New Mexico (sweep), rather than Central Arkansas (sweep). Arizona State's non-conference strength of schedule was 72. Oregon State's non-conference strength of schedule was 209. I think that the Beavers are clearly a better team than the Devils and the head-to-head series showed that, but Arizona State scheduled to win this argument and won it resoundingly. The Huskies also played a tougher non-conference slate. Washington's two-game midweek series was against Gonzaga (split). The Huskies mid-season non-conference series was against St. Mary's (3-1). Basically, Oregon State's non-conference schedule was cowardly, and they were punished for it. Still, win one more game and the Beavers' scheduling works out to their benefit. The other issue here is that Oregon State waited until the last weekend to get above .500 in conference. The committee started the process of selecting at larges on Friday. Arizona State was still undoubtedly ahead of Oregon State in the selection order even on Saturday. The Beavers made their move too late in the process. A third issue is that the Pac-12 conference does not have a tournament, whereas the overwhelming majority of conferences have a tournament. Having said that, the real issue here is that the one-championship-in-60-years ACC had 10 bids, while the Pac-12 is left arguing that it is a five-bid conference, instead of a four-bid conference. The Pac-12's fourth-best team is better than the ACC's 10th best team every year. Oregon State has more national championships itself than the entire ACC over the past 60 years. The Beavers staying home, so a team that could not even finish in the top 8 of the ACC is wildly inequitable.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 30, 2016 17:48:08 GMT -8
We can play the we should be in over them game all day long but the bottom line is we didn't take care of our own business and left it up to the committee to discuss. I agree with many comments but it is what it is. Finishing 5th in a conference that was not highly thought of along with getting swept by Zona and Cal (who took a major dump at the end of the year) and losing the series to WSU is ultimately what cost us in my opinion. That 1-8 is brutal. If the Beavs just go 3-6 or 4-5 they are in. Time to start focusing on next year with lots of talent coming back. Hopefully this will fuel their fire and they will leave no doubt GO BEAVS! California had a similar problem to Oregon State's Daulton Jefferies was hurt in the UCLA series and lost six straight series. The Beavers faced a full-squad Bears team and got smoked.
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Post by Bill79 on May 30, 2016 22:37:06 GMT -8
Well that news sucks. Isn't there or should there be a baseball NIT? But there is some redemption to be had. Portland will eventually show that it is a baseball town, and break attendance records all over the place. Click on this link: www.portlandpicklesbaseball.com/ Arlo Guthrie for a variety of reasons needs to throw out the first pitch.
When I was at OSU, I went down the the WOW Hall in Eugene and caught Arlo - 1977 give or take a year.
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Post by mrazz on May 31, 2016 9:29:31 GMT -8
Nuts and bolts, Nuts and bolts, We got screwed!
Take that extra bit of ire into the off-season and work harder for next year.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 31, 2016 22:42:44 GMT -8
Basically, Oregon State's non-conference schedule was cowardly, and they were punished for it. Still, win one more game and the Beavers' scheduling works out to their benefit. The first 11 games were on the road. I wouldn't classify anything about those as cowardly. National powers? No. Cowardly? No. You have no idea of any teams that OSU unsuccessfully attempted to schedule, either. The majority of the Pac-12 teams had a rather poor RPI, which only compounded things with any losses to said teams. Example from early April (04/06): Central Arkansas (13-14) Current RPI: #159 SOS: #115 Portland (13-15) Current RPI: #120 SOS: #66 WSU (9-17) Current RPI: #191 SOS: #98 $uck$ (11-11) Current RPI: #111 SOS: #100 Utah (10-15) Current RPI: #121 SOS: #68 Stanford (15-8) Current RPI: #62 SOS: #73 Casey article from 04/29 about RPI being "out of whack": www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2016/04/oregon_state_baseball_coach_pa_1.htmlOf course that makes your margin for error even slimmer, so when you lose to a Portland team 5-0 (or to a WSU, or the $uck$ ... or get swept by Cal or Arizona) you're shaving your RPI even further. OSU STILL finished with a #44 RPI (ASU #43 and uw #55). ***** BTW, the ASU coach texted Casey and called the OSU snub "unbelievable." ****** UW's last game was a 21-7 loss to WSU. Of the first 11 games, nine were neutral site and two were road games. The only teams with RPIs in the top 100 were Minnesota, which lost to Oregon State and still got into the tournament as an at large with a worse RPI; Utah, which finished with a losing record; and William & Mary, which finished second in the Colonial Athletic Association. The next highest RPI? San Diego, who the Beavers played twice. San Diego finished seventh in the nine-team West Coast Conference. Oregon State played Kansas and Kansas State twice on a neutral field. Those two teams finished at the bottom of the nine-team Big 12. Oregon State played Utah Valley, which finished third in the WAC. Finally, Oregon State beat Ball State, which finished third in the MAC. Not exactly a murderer's row there. Although, the Minnesota win alone should have punched the Beavers' ticket. Perhaps cowardly is the wrong word? Dumb would be the other. Either Oregon State is avoiding trouble by playing poor teams, or Oregon State is not bright enough to put together a non-conference slate with teams that RPI eats up but are actually terrible. Cowardly or incompetent. Those are your choices. I was leaning toward cowardly, but you could talk me into incompetent.
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Post by beavs6 on Jun 1, 2016 4:44:26 GMT -8
It also takes two to tango. Could that be an additional choice?
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Post by alwaysorange on Jun 1, 2016 5:09:31 GMT -8
Next time UW coach Meggs is floating down a raging river looking for a lifeline and Casey is holding it Meggs should remember this when Casey waits just enough to throw the lifeline so that Meggs knows that Casey knows that Meggs is a complete slimeball.
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