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Post by chinmusic on Apr 22, 2021 15:25:41 GMT -8
As baseball teams often due, the Beavers hit some rough seas recently but now appear to have righted the ship and are back on track heading for a long 8 game roadie in SoCal. While encountering the stormy seas, BH posters lamented the hiring of MC and some taking the extreme position of firing poor Mitch. I am always amused by the push-pull of the pro and con camps. Some good discourse here and I admire both sides for stating their case. Real Beaver loyalists that are very passionate in their beliefs.
To the naysayers, I would say this. There is a significant change taking place in the program, both culturally and philosophically. Canham and his Beaver coaches are taking the program in a slightly different direction while at the same time working from the foundation and winning formula passed on by Coleman, Tanselli, Riley, Bailey and Casey. It takes time, perhaps several years . That doesn't mean the Beavers stop being a national player, it means it may take time for this staff to recruit and develop their players. Players that are better suited to the way this staff wants OSU to play the game.
Patience is the operative word. We needed that with Coach Bailey who inherited a roster depleted by graduation and the MLB Draft, and was replacing an OSU coaching legend. We need it now as MC and crew recruit to re-build the roster and develop the youngsters. Fair game to criticize tactics, strategy, lineups, etc but before we bang on Mitch too hard about W-L, we should keep in mind Oregon State does not have one MLB Draft prospects listed in the College Top-100 with any of the web services and only 4 projecting in the first 10 rounds of 2021 and 2022.
Consider our overall team strength, and have reasonable expectations of game results. This team is still developing and will continue to show improvemnt over the last 21 games. Besides, 25-10 is nothing to sneeze at. I'm proud of this group - dropped some games we could have won, but I think they have "represented".
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 22, 2021 16:04:56 GMT -8
Well said Chin...
I'm curious to hear more detail on the direction Coach Canham wants to take the team......what kind of players he's looking for his brand of ball.
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Post by chinmusic on Apr 22, 2021 17:24:21 GMT -8
Simply put;
More offensive potential - Higher floor coming in, higher ceiling for development, better projection for power. More speed.
No compromise defensively. You have to defend at a high level.
Pitching - Same specs with emphasis on power/velo. Dorman likes the big 6-7 inning horse that throws Bee-Bees.
Makeup/Academics - more of same. We've mastered that.
This is already underway - you are seeing it in the incoming class of '21 and forward.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 22, 2021 18:35:39 GMT -8
Simply put; More offensive potential - Higher floor coming in, higher ceiling for development, better projection for power. More speed. No compromise defensively. You have to defend at a high level. Pitching - Same specs with emphasis on power/velo. Dorman likes the big 6-7 inning horse that throws Bee-Bees. Makeup/Academics - more of same. We've mastered that. This is already underway - you are seeing it in the incoming class of '21 and forward. So essentially leveraging the success of the program into higher rated recruits.....sounds good to me. Except....losing those kids to the draft....Vandy gets em to come to school There is definitely a lot of velo in the pitching staff, and the the arms in future classes. |
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Post by chinmusic on Apr 22, 2021 19:36:37 GMT -8
Stanford and to a lesser extent, Vanderbilt, Duke, Northwestern and a few other mid-majors have the academic draw. A four year Stanford education is worth in excess of $240k to those that earn a full ride. Baseball's partial scholly is probably worth $160k to those that turn down the MLB draft. The prestige of that degree is difficult to turn down - "The 40 year decision". Vandy and others sell their academic prestige as well.
We are a state institution charged with educating our state's young citizens. A much different mission than the privates.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 22, 2021 20:22:48 GMT -8
Stanford and to a lesser extent, Vanderbilt, Duke, Northwestern and a few other mid-majors have the academic draw. A four year Stanford education is worth in excess of $240k to those that earn a full ride. Baseball's partial scholly is probably worth $160k to those that turn down the MLB draft. The prestige of that degree is difficult to turn down - "The 40 year decision". Vandy and others sell their academic prestige as well. We are a state institution charged with educating our state's young citizens. A much different mission than the privates. Yea that makes sense....stanford doesn't even support their sports programs in relative terms, and yet they get elite talent, and are competitive across the board usually. I spose Vandy is very similar, at least for baseball. LSU would be the flip side of the coin.....state school that lures elite talent....but they have a strong tradition and tons of support for their athletics. It's always a challenge to recruit to Corvallis for multiple reasons.....hopefully we get plenty of mileage from the recent success of the program....and we do have good facilities....maybe some capital from a couple of our big leaguers in the near future? |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 22, 2021 21:36:11 GMT -8
Vandy, Stanford and Rice kids are all on full scholarship, or close to it, thanks the the vast amounts of academic aid available to augment the 1/3 baseball scholarship.
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Post by beaver56 on Apr 23, 2021 3:57:07 GMT -8
We have ok facilities not good facilities. When compared to others across the country we are very middle of the road when it comes to our facilities.
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Post by beavoracity on Apr 23, 2021 5:13:28 GMT -8
We have ok facilities not good facilities. When compared to others across the country we are very middle of the road when it comes to our facilities. Agree, but what renovations or additions to Goss would move us up the list? There are a couple of items that contribute to Goss like on campus location, fan base, seating proximity to playing field etc. But there should be an overall plan, and maybe there is, but Goss is starting to look piece meal. I would like to see the grandstands rebuilt. The ingress and egress to the seats from mid-level walkway is terrible. Most of the right side is limited due to Dixon Rec. Snell is an eye sore on campus, but what if they tore down the kitchen, right next to the club house, and pushed the access road to the north and connect to the road on the front side of Waldo. This would provide more room for player amenities ( bigger club house, weight room, offices etc) and a larger concourse for stadium expansion. Now there is the entire outfield and old location of the NROTC minus the road Improvement project. Just some thoughts and I know others posters have more. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 23, 2021 6:37:06 GMT -8
We have ok facilities not good facilities. When compared to others across the country we are very middle of the road when it comes to our facilities. Goss is prolly the best in the conference though. And has the best atmosphere....of course I'm biased.... Sunken diamond looks like a high school field |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 23, 2021 6:42:49 GMT -8
I'd like to see a grandstand like Fenway Park's above the left-field fence at Goss. Even if that means moving the fence in 15-20 feet and creating an orange monster. I think those would be premium seats and a nice revenue source and make our stadium distinctive. I'd also like to see the original grandstands at Goss above the concourse be gutted and rebuilt so they top-load, with a press box/suites on top from first base all the way around to third base.
I'd also like to see full-size posters or some artwork of our major-league Beavers filling in the gray archways around the outside concourse. It could be a fundraising/donation opportunity, "Nick Madrigal, sponsored by Henry Skrimshander." We middle infielders have to stick together.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 23, 2021 6:42:54 GMT -8
We have ok facilities not good facilities. When compared to others across the country we are very middle of the road when it comes to our facilities. Agree, but what renovations or additions to Goss would move us up the list? There a couple of items that contribute to Goss like on campus locations, fan base, seating proximity to playing field etc. But there should be an overall plan, and maybe there is, but Goss is starting to look piece meal. I would like to see the grandstands rebuilt. The ingress and egress to the seats from mid-level walkway is terrible. Most of the right side is limited due to Dixon Rec. Snell is an eye sore on campus, but what if they tore down the kitchen, right next to the club house, and pushed the access road to the north and connect to the road on the front side of Waldo. This would provide more room for player amenities ( bigger club house, weight room, offices etc) and a larger concourse for stadium expansion. Now there is the entire outfield and old location of the NROTC minus the road Improvement project. Just some thoughts and I know others posters have more. At some point it'd be sweet to have seating around the circumference of the stadium, and all connected with a concourse.....like a mini version of TD Ameritrade....that's what MSU did with Dudy Noble......I realize this would be a very expensive renovation....would be sweet though |
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Post by irimi on Apr 23, 2021 7:01:31 GMT -8
We have ok facilities not good facilities. When compared to others across the country we are very middle of the road when it comes to our facilities. Agree, but what renovations or additions to Goss would move us up the list? There a couple of items that contribute to Goss like on campus locations, fan base, seating proximity to playing field etc. But there should be an overall plan, and maybe there is, but Goss is starting to look piece meal. I would like to see the grandstands rebuilt. The ingress and egress to the seats from mid-level walkway is terrible. Most of the right side is limited due to Dixon Rec. Snell is an eye sore on campus, but what if they tore down the kitchen, right next to the club house, and pushed the access road to the north and connect to the road on the front side of Waldo. This would provide more room for player amenities ( bigger club house, weight room, offices etc) and a larger concourse for stadium expansion. Now there is the entire outfield and old location of the NROTC minus the road Improvement project. Just some thoughts and I know others posters have more. Isn’t Snell scheduled for make over or demolition or something fairly soon? It looked godawful ugly years ago when I was there, but every campus has one...or two. |
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Post by beavoracity on Apr 23, 2021 7:07:30 GMT -8
Goss stadium capacity is about 3,400. What would be the appropriate size? With a more fan friendly stadium ( easier ingress / egress points, better sight lines, better restrooms, concession, shelter from the rainy season etc) maybe that would draw more season ticket holders. Of course single game ticket prices would have to be reasonable. Seems like compared to other venues OSU baseball tickets prices are pretty high. So around 5,000 to 5,500 seats?
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Post by beavoracity on Apr 23, 2021 7:09:33 GMT -8
Agree, but what renovations or additions to Goss would move us up the list? There a couple of items that contribute to Goss like on campus locations, fan base, seating proximity to playing field etc. But there should be an overall plan, and maybe there is, but Goss is starting to look piece meal. I would like to see the grandstands rebuilt. The ingress and egress to the seats from mid-level walkway is terrible. Most of the right side is limited due to Dixon Rec. Snell is an eye sore on campus, but what if they tore down the kitchen, right next to the club house, and pushed the access road to the north and connect to the road on the front side of Waldo. This would provide more room for player amenities ( bigger club house, weight room, offices etc) and a larger concourse for stadium expansion. Now there is the entire outfield and old location of the NROTC minus the road Improvement project. Just some thoughts and I know others posters have more. Isn’t Snell scheduled for make over or demolition or something fairly soon? It looked godawful ugly years ago when I was there, but every campus has one...or two. Not sure when you attended but back in the late 80’s the building was an eye sore. I just hope before they build something new thay take the baseball stadium into consideration. |
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