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Apr 17, 2021 20:32:04 GMT -8
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Post by 56chevy on Apr 17, 2021 20:32:04 GMT -8
Today is the first day I can recall that the lineup was exactly the same as the day before. Makes sense when you score 15 runs on a Friday night in the Pac 12. I could be way off here, but I think the first 7 in the order are possibly set for the rest of the year. Jones at nine looked pretty attractive as well. Without him legging out an infield hit late in today's game we probably don't win it. That would make the 8 spot up for grabs between at least four.
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Apr 17, 2021 20:48:54 GMT -8
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 17, 2021 20:48:54 GMT -8
I agree. Jones isn't a great hitter but he has blazing speed, and he's a good defender. I feel like he should try to bunt more.
I really like Meckler. Love his approach, and I love his reaction when he was thrown out on the liner that hit the Cal pitcher.....he was pissed!
Casey and McMahon will get playing time, but they have scuffled a lot. Casey always seems like he's swinging for the fences to me, and he whiffs a lot. McMahon I'm not sure about. He's a really good hitter and a good defender but he's either lost confidence, or maybe he's dinged up and just struggling, I dunno.
I like Fuchs too. He seems confident at the plate to me, and he has made good use of his opps.
Ober is hot right now. Hopefully that continues.
Melton should be batting in the 3 hole or cleanup, imo. Dude is a beast
Army is Army.....just a solid ballplayer who has short locked down. I like his approach at the plate too...helmet tap and all.
Donkey is going to continue to develop into a stud, imo.
Dukart is mister steady.....he's a really good all around player. He's really good at the hot corner. I know he dropped the pop up, but that's not going to happen again, I'd wager.
McDowell's bat isn't ready for pac 12 play....if he figures it out, he's a dangerous athlete.
What's up with Sanchez?
I forgot Claunch....he's throwing dudes out, including Baker! That was awesome! And he always seems to come through with a clutch knock here and there.......maybe as he gains confidence behind the plate we start seeing (C)launch?
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Apr 17, 2021 22:18:08 GMT -8
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 17, 2021 22:18:08 GMT -8
I agree. Jones isn't a great hitter but he has blazing speed, and he's a good defender. I feel like he should try to bunt more. I really like Meckler. Love his approach, and I love his reaction when he was thrown out on the liner that hit the Cal pitcher.....he was pissed! Casey and McMahon will get playing time, but they have scuffled a lot. Casey always seems like he's swinging for the fences to me, and he whiffs a lot. McMahon I'm not sure about. He's a really good hitter and a good defender but he's either lost confidence, or maybe he's dinged up and just struggling, I dunno. I like Fuchs too. He seems confident at the plate to me, and he has made good use of his opps. Ober is hot right now. Hopefully that continues. Melton should be batting in the 3 hole or cleanup, imo. Dude is a beast Army is Army.....just a solid ballplayer who has short locked down. I like his approach at the plate too...helmet tap and all. Donkey is going to continue to develop into a stud, imo. Dukart is mister steady.....he's a really good all around player. He's really good at the hot corner. I know he dropped the pop up, but that's not going to happen again, I'd wager. McDowell's bat isn't ready for pac 12 play....if he figures it out, he's a dangerous athlete. What's up with Sanchez? I forgot Claunch....he's throwing dudes out, including Baker! That was awesome! And he always seems to come through with a clutch knock here and there.......maybe as he gains confidence behind the plate we start seeing (C)launch? It's a small sample size, but Fuchs has looked bad in these eyes in his at bats. Casey seems like a better play. There is some bad, but there seemed like a lot more good. Melton should hit cleanup, but Dukart is the closest thing that we have to a classic leadoff hitter. Ober should hit two. I'm not sure that this lineup works against an elite lefty. |
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Apr 17, 2021 23:24:05 GMT -8
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Post by 56chevy on Apr 17, 2021 23:24:05 GMT -8
One could hope that Gretler and McMahon get enough reps in the #8 spot to become reliable options. This team has struggled with the leadoff spot all year. Melton is handling it far better than anyone else has.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 18, 2021 8:10:58 GMT -8
I agree. Jones isn't a great hitter but he has blazing speed, and he's a good defender. I feel like he should try to bunt more. I really like Meckler. Love his approach, and I love his reaction when he was thrown out on the liner that hit the Cal pitcher.....he was pissed! Casey and McMahon will get playing time, but they have scuffled a lot. Casey always seems like he's swinging for the fences to me, and he whiffs a lot. McMahon I'm not sure about. He's a really good hitter and a good defender but he's either lost confidence, or maybe he's dinged up and just struggling, I dunno. I like Fuchs too. He seems confident at the plate to me, and he has made good use of his opps. Ober is hot right now. Hopefully that continues. Melton should be batting in the 3 hole or cleanup, imo. Dude is a beast Army is Army.....just a solid ballplayer who has short locked down. I like his approach at the plate too...helmet tap and all. Donkey is going to continue to develop into a stud, imo. Dukart is mister steady.....he's a really good all around player. He's really good at the hot corner. I know he dropped the pop up, but that's not going to happen again, I'd wager. McDowell's bat isn't ready for pac 12 play....if he figures it out, he's a dangerous athlete. What's up with Sanchez? I forgot Claunch....he's throwing dudes out, including Baker! That was awesome! And he always seems to come through with a clutch knock here and there.......maybe as he gains confidence behind the plate we start seeing (C)launch? It's a small sample size, but Fuchs has looked bad in these eyes in his at bats. Casey seems like a better play. There is some bad, but there seemed like a lot more good. Melton should hit cleanup, but Dukart is the closest thing that we have to a classic leadoff hitter. Ober should hit two. I'm not sure that this lineup works against an elite lefty. I didnt see all of Fuchs AB's, but he did some competitive ones. Casey is an enigma to me. I kind of forgot about Gretler. I hope he is half the player his brother was....that would make him a good ballplayer |
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Apr 18, 2021 11:12:50 GMT -8
Post by abureid on Apr 18, 2021 11:12:50 GMT -8
It really is quite telling when the bottom 1/3 of the lineup is 2 outfielders and the DH. Can’t say I have ever seen that.
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Apr 18, 2021 16:11:53 GMT -8
Post by chinmusic on Apr 18, 2021 16:11:53 GMT -8
I think some of you are forgetting the guys making up that lineup card every game are steeped in analytics from their lengthy careers in professional baseball. Your best two bats at any given moment hit in the one and two hole.
Using a Sabermetric approach (statistial probability), Canham and staff have Melton hitting where he should be, either leading off or in the 2 hole.
Using a conventional approach (old school if you prefer), you are correct - he would hit #3 or cleanup.
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Apr 18, 2021 16:34:45 GMT -8
Post by jdogge on Apr 18, 2021 16:34:45 GMT -8
I think some of you are forgetting the guys making up that lineup card every game are steeped in analytics from their lengthy careers in professional baseball. Your best two bats at any given moment hit in the one and two hole. Using a Sabermetric approach (statistial probability), Canham and staff have Melton hitting where he should be, either leading off or in the 2 hole. Using a conventional approach (old school if you prefer), you are correct - he would hit #3 or cleanup. The problem with the Sabermetrics approach is that using it to evaluate high school performance to predict college potential. Some of these kids were the best in their region. When they get to D1 everyone else was the best in their region. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 18, 2021 17:09:05 GMT -8
I think some of you are forgetting the guys making up that lineup card every game are steeped in analytics from their lengthy careers in professional baseball. Your best two bats at any given moment hit in the one and two hole. Using a Sabermetric approach (statistial probability), Canham and staff have Melton hitting where he should be, either leading off or in the 2 hole. Using a conventional approach (old school if you prefer), you are correct - he would hit #3 or cleanup. I ran a sabermetric analysis on the lineup online, and it produced: 1. Forrester
2. Ober
3. Dukart
4. Melton
Sabermetrics tends to undervalue speed. Still, I don't think that makes much sense, because you put the slower players in front of the faster players. It also makes more sense to go L, R, L, R or R, L, R, L. The first four are the first four. It looks like Canham tweaked the Sabermetric analysis to make it work in the real world. I still maintain that, ideally, Melton would hit four. But the Beavers don't have a left-handed two-hole hitter to make that work. |
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Apr 18, 2021 17:29:52 GMT -8
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Post by Ruh Roh Beav on Apr 18, 2021 17:29:52 GMT -8
I think some of you are forgetting the guys making up that lineup card every game are steeped in analytics from their lengthy careers in professional baseball. Your best two bats at any given moment hit in the one and two hole. Using a Sabermetric approach (statistial probability), Canham and staff have Melton hitting where he should be, either leading off or in the 2 hole. Using a conventional approach (old school if you prefer), you are correct - he would hit #3 or cleanup. I ran a sabermetric analysis on the lineup online, and it produced: 1. Forrester
2. Ober
3. Dukart
4. Melton
Sabermetrics tends to undervalue speed. Still, I don't think that makes much sense, because you put the slower players in front of the faster players. It also makes more sense to go L, R, L, R or R, L, R, L. The first four are the first four. It looks like Canham tweaked the Sabermetric analysis to make it work in the real world. I still maintain that, ideally, Melton would hit four. But the Beavers don't have a left-handed two-hole hitter to make that work. I gotta go with speed up front.....I like what Melton has shown in leadoff.....case in point was our 5th run today. He walked...stole second and error got him to third with no outs. Fly ball scored Melton....we will continue to need that type of play in the coming series where a run or two provides a good way to get a win |
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Post by ag87 on Apr 18, 2021 19:22:41 GMT -8
I like get Melton as many plate appearances as possible
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Apr 18, 2021 20:36:57 GMT -8
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 18, 2021 20:36:57 GMT -8
I think some of you are forgetting the guys making up that lineup card every game are steeped in analytics from their lengthy careers in professional baseball. Your best two bats at any given moment hit in the one and two hole. Using a Sabermetric approach (statistial probability), Canham and staff have Melton hitting where he should be, either leading off or in the 2 hole. Using a conventional approach (old school if you prefer), you are correct - he would hit #3 or cleanup. I guess I'm old school. I like the thought of Melton coming up with a guy or two on in the first. But I get the idea of potentially getting more AB's |
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Apr 19, 2021 5:22:31 GMT -8
Post by rainmanrich on Apr 19, 2021 5:22:31 GMT -8
I think some of you are forgetting the guys making up that lineup card every game are steeped in analytics from their lengthy careers in professional baseball. Your best two bats at any given moment hit in the one and two hole. Using a Sabermetric approach (statistial probability), Canham and staff have Melton hitting where he should be, either leading off or in the 2 hole. Using a conventional approach (old school if you prefer), you are correct - he would hit #3 or cleanup. I guess I'm old school. I like the thought of Melton coming up with a guy or two on in the first. But I get the idea of potentially getting more AB's I guess I'm old school too. I don't like the thought of Melton coming up to the plate with a base open and just letting him have it because the next hitter in the line up is the 5th batter. |
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Apr 19, 2021 7:05:49 GMT -8
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 19, 2021 7:05:49 GMT -8
I guess I'm old school. I like the thought of Melton coming up with a guy or two on in the first. But I get the idea of potentially getting more AB's I guess I'm old school too. I don't like the thought of Melton coming up to the plate with a base open and just letting him have it because the next hitter in the line up is the 5th batter. Well if he's third and u put Forrester clean up, problem solved... |
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Post by irimi on Apr 19, 2021 15:22:53 GMT -8
One could hope that Gretler and McMahon get enough reps in the #8 spot to become reliable options. This team has struggled with the leadoff spot all year. Melton is handling it far better than anyone else has. I'd love to see McMahon with his arm and his legs find a way into the lineup on a regular basis. I sorta figure he could be a natural leadoff hitter. I know he hasn't had a lot of success at the plate, but we've seen how important speed is in the game. I love Melton at leadoff because he's going to put the ball into play most of the time, and his speed will help him out there. Right now, what we need is production at leadoff. Melton is providing that. Of course, if we could get someone else to be equally as productive, I'd like to move Melton a bit back in the lineup, but to win games we need that first batter on base. |
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