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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 12, 2021 13:06:15 GMT -8
Half of the Beavers' losses on the year have been to the Ducks. Oregon State is 20-5 against the other 10 opponents. That includes a four-game sweep of Grand Canyon; three-game sweeps of BYU and Washington at Seattle; a two-game sweep over New Mexico at a neutral site; a win at Portland; winning two-of-three against Gonzaga, Utah and Washington State; a hard-luck split with Santa Clara; and the season opening loss against Kansas State. Oregon State is 7-5 in the Pac-12 in exactly the same spot as the 2018 team. (The Beavers started 17-1 in nonconference in 2018. Oregon State is 14-5 in nonconference play in 2021, but two of those losses were in fact to a conference opponent in Oregon.) Just for fun, I decided to try and pull up some threads written about the same time in the 2018 season: Down to #9.In a funk right now.Sorry, I was frustrated.
The last one is not 100% on point, but the last post is very similar to posts that I have seen on here. And that was the greatest team in Oregon State history (at least by the end of the season). |
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 12, 2021 13:14:23 GMT -8
Half of the Beavers' losses on the year have been to the Ducks. Oregon State is 20-5 against the other 10 opponents. That includes a four-game sweep of Grand Canyon; three-game sweeps of BYU and Washington at Seattle; a two-game sweep over New Mexico at a neutral site; a win at Portland; winning two-of-three against Gonzaga, Utah and Washington State; a hard-luck split with Santa Clara; and the season opening loss against Kansas State. Oregon State is 7-5 in the Pac-12 in exactly the same spot as the 2018 team. (The Beavers started 17-1 in nonconference in 2018. Oregon State is 14-5 in nonconference play in 2021, but two of those losses were in fact to a conference opponent in Oregon.) Just for fun, I decided to try and pull up some threads written about the same time in the 2018 season: Down to #9.In a funk right now.Sorry, I was frustrated.
The last one is not 100% on point, but the last post is very similar to posts that I have seen on here. And that was the greatest team in Oregon State history (at least by the end of the season). From my "perpective", the eye test will tell you that this team is nowhere near the 2018 team. Also, you can find completely irrational posts during any game at any time on this board. I read a lot of fire "fill in the blank" posts during games in a variety of different sports where we have then come back and won the game. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Apr 12, 2021 13:39:26 GMT -8
Half of the Beavers' losses on the year have been to the Ducks. Oregon State is 20-5 against the other 10 opponents. That includes a four-game sweep of Grand Canyon; three-game sweeps of BYU and Washington at Seattle; a two-game sweep over New Mexico at a neutral site; a win at Portland; winning two-of-three against Gonzaga, Utah and Washington State; a hard-luck split with Santa Clara; and the season opening loss against Kansas State. Oregon State is 7-5 in the Pac-12 in exactly the same spot as the 2018 team. (The Beavers started 17-1 in nonconference in 2018. Oregon State is 14-5 in nonconference play in 2021, but two of those losses were in fact to a conference opponent in Oregon.) Just for fun, I decided to try and pull up some threads written about the same time in the 2018 season: Down to #9.In a funk right now.Sorry, I was frustrated.
The last one is not 100% on point, but the last post is very similar to posts that I have seen on here. And that was the greatest team in Oregon State history (at least by the end of the season). Also, you can find completely irrational posts during any game at any time on this board. I read a lot of fire "fill in the blank" posts during games in a variety of different sports where we have then come back and won the game. My eyes can't seem to find an Adley, Madrigal, Grenier, Kwan, Larnach, Heimlich, Fehmel or Eisert on this club. Prove me wrong fellas! PRETTY PLEASE! |
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Post by Ruh Roh Beav on Apr 12, 2021 13:55:14 GMT -8
From my "perpective", the eye test will tell you that this team is nowhere near the 2018 team.Also, you can find completely irrational posts during any game at any time on this board. I read a lot of fire "fill in the blank" posts during games in a variety of different sports where we have then come back and won the game. My eyes can't seem to find an Adley, Madrigal, Grenier, Kwan, Larnach, Heimlich, Fehmel or Eisert on this club. Prove me wrong fellas! PRETTY PLEASE! Abel is just as good as Fehmel or Eisert.....I think we will get a couple more to add to this list but we are still only 3/8 of the way to the 2018 club. We have makings of a good club but not elite like the 2018 club...at least in my opinion |
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Post by irimi on Apr 12, 2021 14:15:24 GMT -8
From my "perpective", the eye test will tell you that this team is nowhere near the 2018 team.Also, you can find completely irrational posts during any game at any time on this board. I read a lot of fire "fill in the blank" posts during games in a variety of different sports where we have then come back and won the game. My eyes can't seem to find an Adley, Madrigal, Grenier, Kwan, Larnach, Heimlich, Fehmel or Eisert on this club. Prove me wrong fellas! PRETTY PLEASE! I bet our pitchers match up to those of 2018 and then some. In 2018 we didn't have much to fill relief innings, IIRC, until Mully came in for the saves. We may actually be cursed with too much talent at pitching. Too many pitchers have thrown for just a handful of innings instead of getting more work. You're not likely to find another Adley here for a bit. Perhaps simply a once in a lifetime event. I'm glad I saw it. I still think that what we are really missing is the Kwan/Madrigal types. Kwan's energy and Madrigal's total command of the infield. AA doesn't seem to command that respect though defensively he is the keystone of the infield. I'd sure like to see him take a more vocal role. But nobody has Kwan's incredible energy. His ability to will himself on base was amazing. You guys want the sluggers, but I don't see that as the problem. The team needs a captain. The teams needs someone to give it life. The hits will follow. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 12, 2021 14:29:04 GMT -8
From my "perpective", the eye test will tell you that this team is nowhere near the 2018 team.Also, you can find completely irrational posts during any game at any time on this board. I read a lot of fire "fill in the blank" posts during games in a variety of different sports where we have then come back and won the game. My eyes can't seem to find an Adley, Madrigal, Grenier, Kwan, Larnach, Heimlich, Fehmel or Eisert on this club. Prove me wrong fellas! PRETTY PLEASE! At this time in 2018, Madrigal was hurt. Madrigal missed 26 consecutive games over an almost two-month period. Kwan was a .291 hitter at this time in 2018. Kwan had a terrible February and an only slightly better March. He came on late, though, and hit .410 thereafter. Melton has put up better numbers than any of the five guys that you mentioned, and Armstrong is hitting better than everyone but Adley in the same period. Dukart, Meckler and Ober are all hitting better than Kwan was. Heimlich had a terrible start to 2018 with a 3.31 ERA. He ran that up to 3.43 after the Missouri State series. He then came on, giving up no more than two earned runs in a game heading into a wretched College World Series. From mid-April to mid-June Heimlich had a 1.29 ERA. The eight pitchers, who have thrown the most innings in 2021 each have an ERA better than Heimlich's at this time in the season: Abel, Hjerpe, Frisch, Washburn, Pfennigs, Mully, Salgado and Mundt each have a sub-three ERA. Fehmel was even worse at this time in 2018 with an ERA of 3.78. Fehmel was pulled after 1 2/3 innings against Missouri State. By that time, his ERA was 3.83. Much like Heimlich, Fehmel came on thereafter with an ERA of 2.00 from mid-April to mid-June before similarly flaming out at the College World Series. Eisert had a 2.49 ERA at this time in 2018, but he ran that up to 3.63 the following weekend. Eisert was nails thereafter (if you exclude the Arizona State game) with an ERA of 1.82 (1.08 outside of the Arizona State game). The only thing that is really missing is a great catcher. Otherwise, the pieces are certainly there for a great run in 2021. Whether it comes together or not is anyone's guess right now. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 12, 2021 17:11:01 GMT -8
My eyes can't seem to find an Adley, Madrigal, Grenier, Kwan, Larnach, Heimlich, Fehmel or Eisert on this club. Prove me wrong fellas! PRETTY PLEASE! At this time in 2018, Madrigal was hurt. Madrigal missed 26 consecutive games over an almost two-month period. Kwan was a .291 hitter at this time in 2018. Kwan had a terrible February and an only slightly better March. He came on late, though, and hit .410 thereafter. Melton has put up better numbers than any of the five guys that you mentioned, and Armstrong is hitting better than everyone but Adley in the same period. Dukart, Meckler and Ober are all hitting better than Kwan was. Heimlich had a terrible start to 2018 with a 3.31 ERA. He ran that up to 3.43 after the Missouri State series. He then came on, giving up no more than two earned runs in a game heading into a wretched College World Series. From mid-April to mid-June Heimlich had a 1.29 ERA. The eight pitchers, who have thrown the most innings in 2021 each have an ERA better than Heimlich's at this time in the season: Abel, Hjerpe, Frisch, Washburn, Pfennigs, Mully, Salgado and Mundt each have a sub-three ERA. Fehmel was even worse at this time in 2018 with an ERA of 3.78. Fehmel was pulled after 1 2/3 innings against Missouri State. By that time, his ERA was 3.83. Much like Heimlich, Fehmel came on thereafter with an ERA of 2.00 from mid-April to mid-June before similarly flaming out at the College World Series. Eisert had a 2.49 ERA at this time in 2018, but he ran that up to 3.63 the following weekend. Eisert was nails thereafter (if you exclude the Arizona State game) with an ERA of 1.82 (1.08 outside of the Arizona State game). The only thing that is really missing is a great catcher. Otherwise, the pieces are certainly there for a great run in 2021. Whether it comes together or not is anyone's guess right now. The difference is the '18 team was mentally tough. This team is not, at this point. I hope they somehow gain confidence from the Eugene debaucle. I guess we'll find out this weekend. |
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Post by ricke71 on Apr 12, 2021 17:57:21 GMT -8
...... the pieces are certainly there for a great run in 2021. Whether it comes together or not is anyone's guess right now. The difference is the '18 team was mentally tough. This team is not, at this point. I hope they somehow gain confidence from the Eugene debaucle. I guess we'll find out this weekend. This weekend series with Cal is a perfect test, or experiment (?), to determine whether the 2021 Beaver team has a reasonable chance for post-season success (even minor), or whether the team will simply fade away with a whimper. Cal is a very 'middling' team. They are 5-6 since March 26. 1-2 vs. a good AZ team this recent weekend, including a blowout win and a close defeat; but with Series wins vs. USC and Utah. Beavs are 7-5 during that same March 26 to April 11 period, with their success early on - and we all know of the misery of the last 6 games during that time. Dead bats? or hitters? "Gauntlet" Bullpen...or BB / HBP specialists? We'll know by Sunday night 4/18. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 12, 2021 18:08:23 GMT -8
At this time in 2018, Madrigal was hurt. Madrigal missed 26 consecutive games over an almost two-month period. Kwan was a .291 hitter at this time in 2018. Kwan had a terrible February and an only slightly better March. He came on late, though, and hit .410 thereafter. Melton has put up better numbers than any of the five guys that you mentioned, and Armstrong is hitting better than everyone but Adley in the same period. Dukart, Meckler and Ober are all hitting better than Kwan was. Heimlich had a terrible start to 2018 with a 3.31 ERA. He ran that up to 3.43 after the Missouri State series. He then came on, giving up no more than two earned runs in a game heading into a wretched College World Series. From mid-April to mid-June Heimlich had a 1.29 ERA. The eight pitchers, who have thrown the most innings in 2021 each have an ERA better than Heimlich's at this time in the season: Abel, Hjerpe, Frisch, Washburn, Pfennigs, Mully, Salgado and Mundt each have a sub-three ERA. Fehmel was even worse at this time in 2018 with an ERA of 3.78. Fehmel was pulled after 1 2/3 innings against Missouri State. By that time, his ERA was 3.83. Much like Heimlich, Fehmel came on thereafter with an ERA of 2.00 from mid-April to mid-June before similarly flaming out at the College World Series. Eisert had a 2.49 ERA at this time in 2018, but he ran that up to 3.63 the following weekend. Eisert was nails thereafter (if you exclude the Arizona State game) with an ERA of 1.82 (1.08 outside of the Arizona State game). The only thing that is really missing is a great catcher. Otherwise, the pieces are certainly there for a great run in 2021. Whether it comes together or not is anyone's guess right now. The difference is the '18 team was mentally tough. This team is not, at this point. I hope they somehow gain confidence from the Eugene debacle. I guess we'll find out this weekend. I mean the last four losses in 2018 leading in the same time period were a game where Oregon State blew a 6-4 lead in the sixth to lose 8-7, an 11-8 loss, a 15-4 loss and a game where Oregon State blew a 5-2 eighth inning lead to lose 6-5. The 2018 Beavers became the 2018 Beavers after that Arizona series. 29-6-1 afterwards. But I think that it is helpful to remember that 2018 Oregon State was just about in the same spot as 2021 Oregon State. Whether you are a champion or not comes not from avoiding adversity but from getting better afterwards. I hope that Oregon State gains confidence from a terrible road loss early in the season, like in 2018, and does not just fall apart like it feels like is equally likely at this juncture. |
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Post by Ruh Roh Beav on Apr 12, 2021 18:09:05 GMT -8
The difference is the '18 team was mentally tough. This team is not, at this point. I hope they somehow gain confidence from the Eugene debaucle. I guess we'll find out this weekend. [/quote]
Yeah to me this is the biggest series to date this year for our team.....I’m hoping that they get each other’s back and use this last weekend (dam* it again) to use for motivation.....say f*** ya we can and will ....
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Post by badwack on Apr 12, 2021 18:24:53 GMT -8
A little off topic but I believe Nate Y took this kid with him. Daniel Susac, hitting 300 with 5 HR and only one error. Also one of Donkey's friends.
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Post by giantkillers83 on Apr 12, 2021 18:37:02 GMT -8
He was our catcher we needed.....
As far as 2018 comparisons...... believe they won CWS.
THIS ... is not that team....
want to see if they really have any fight in them.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 12, 2021 18:46:07 GMT -8
The difference is the '18 team was mentally tough. This team is not, at this point. I hope they somehow gain confidence from the Eugene debacle. I guess we'll find out this weekend. I mean the last four losses in 2018 leading in the same time period were a game where Oregon State blew a 6-4 lead in the sixth to lose 8-7, an 11-8 loss, a 15-4 loss and a game where Oregon State blew a 5-2 eighth inning lead to lose 6-5. The 2018 Beavers became the 2018 Beavers after that Arizona series. 29-6-1 afterwards. But I think that it is helpful to remember that 2018 Oregon State was just about in the same spot as 2021 Oregon State. Whether you are a champion or not comes not from avoiding adversity but from getting better afterwards. I hope that Oregon State gains confidence from a terrible road loss early in the season, like in 2018, and does not just fall apart like it feels like is equally likely at this juncture. I remember the ups and downs in '18....this was on another level though. As of now we are not the dominant baseball team in the state, and there's no guarantee we get that back.....hole is pulling recruits and apparently they have a good coach. But enough about the Eugene debaucle.....cal is going to come in smelling blood in the water......how do our guys respond? Better set the tone on Friday night |
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Post by irimi on Apr 12, 2021 20:40:28 GMT -8
You know, you can take a comparison too far. I don’t think that Wilky’s point was that this team is as good or equal to the 2018 team, but rather how every the 2018 team had similar ups and downs along the way, so only time will tell where they end up.
Another point about the 2018 team that you’re all forgetting is that they had the 2017 run with mostly the same players to help mold the team. So of course this team isn’t the 2018 team. We’re not likely to ever see a team like that again.
But even so, isn’t it interesting that the 2018 team had rough patches as well? It’s baseball.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 13, 2021 11:21:27 GMT -8
I'm a pessimist sometimes.....I know that....and I know it's baseball. It can be very streaky.
So trying to be positive....
If this team can get some confidence back, and the hitting can develop more....like Melton and Donkey, we have the pitching depth to really go places. And that bodes well for tournament play, obviously....this could absolutely be a team that just needs to "get in" to the tournament and then goes on a run because of endless arms.
Happens in post season baseball all the time....teams get hot at the perfect time....it's happened to us, and against us....Michigan a couple years ago....Irvine several years ago as a couple examples against us...
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