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Post by thewizard on May 25, 2016 7:09:16 GMT -8
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 25, 2016 11:54:13 GMT -8
This year has such a 2007 feeling to it, doesn't it? 2007 was the last time that Oregon State finished off the regular season with UCLA. (Oregon State also finished off the 2006 regular season against UCLA.) The Beavers needed a series win to punch a ticket to the Tournament. Otherwise, they were out. Oregon State responded by winning the first two a combined 23-8. The Beavers go to the Charlottesville Regional as a three-seed, and the rest is history. Lo and behold, where does Oregon State wind up in the D1Baseball projection? A three seed in the Charlottesville Regional. Huh. Also, D1Baseball has Utah in as the Pac-12 champion and Oregon State in as the 4th- or 5th-best Pac-12 team. The Beavers have the 3rd highest RPI and are in 6th place. However, Oregon State is effectively in 5th, as Oregon's RPI is too high to be considered. Does the Pac-12 get 4 teams or 5 in this year? If they get 5, Utah winning helps Oregon State's RPI. If the Pac-12 gets 4, the Beavers really needs the Utes to lose the series to the Huskies to free up a spot. Otherwise, Oregon State needs to sweep UCLA. |
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Post by BeaverG20 on May 25, 2016 14:45:12 GMT -8
I wish it did, but this doesn't feel like 2007, to me. This feels like 2 and through in the post season. I'm no doom and gloomer, I just don't believe OSU is playing well together at this point.
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Post by baseba1111 on May 25, 2016 14:51:26 GMT -8
If all you care about is making the "field" then yep... there is a chance.
If you care about actually being competitive, then "nope"... that ship sailed a long time ago. The constant comparisons to past teams is funny at best, tiresome at worst. I suppose the 73 wins by the Warriors make them better than the '96 Bulls too?
Just take a look player by player and see where, if any, this team's roster remotely compares to ANY Beaver team that was successful in the post season... try. Now, part of the problem with that comparison... those post season successes have a proven track record... they actually DID IT.
It's more than stats as they are built upon the level of competition. The 2007 Pac 10 was extremely more talented/competitive than the 2016 Pac 11... the 2007 team player by player is far superior. In 2007 there was significant signs of players developing and the team gelling. The current team won 2 of 3 vs. a lower level RPI team on the road that would have not raised a brow if it was still NC. In fact, would have been part of the discussion about playing better teams.
But, hope always springs eternal...
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Post by hof99 on May 25, 2016 19:28:14 GMT -8
Missing starting pitching and bullpen reliability.
I don't see anyone after Eckert and Fehmel that
can throw strikes.
Hitting is serviceable, but also hitting too many
cold spells.
So, I think we win what we need, but don't advance
the way we were expected.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 25, 2016 21:07:40 GMT -8
If all you care about is making the "field" then yep... there is a chance. If you care about actually being competitive, then "nope"... that ship sailed a long time ago. The constant comparisons to past teams is funny at best, tiresome at worst. I suppose the 73 wins by the Warriors make them better than the '96 Bulls too? Just take a look player by player and see where, if any, this team's roster remotely compares to ANY Beaver team that was successful in the post season... try. Now, part of the problem with that comparison... those post season successes have a proven track record... they actually DID IT. It's more than stats as they are built upon the level of competition. The 2007 Pac 10 was extremely more talented/competitive than the 2016 Pac 11... the 2007 team player by player is far superior. In 2007 there was significant signs of players developing and the team gelling. The current team won 2 of 3 vs. a lower level RPI team on the road that would have not raised a brow if it was still NC. In fact, would have been part of the discussion about playing better teams. But, hope always springs eternal... No, Chicago won a championship. Golden State sacrificed a championship to set a record. The 2007 Pac-10 was better than the 2016 Pac-12 but not markedly so. The conference was still largely regarded as the fourth-best conference. There was a lot less parity, though. Arizona State ran away with the conference, winning the conference by four games over Arizona and earning the #5 national seed. There is no team at the top like that this year. You are comparing the 2016 regular season team with the 2007 postseason team, which was largely different from the 2007 regular season team. In 2007, Oregon State's May series were at Washington, Washington State, Arizona State, and at UCLA. Oregon State dropped the series to Washington. And dropped a home series to Washington State. At home, against Arizona State, Oregon State got swept (at home!), and it was not even close. The Beavers lost the last two games a combined 11-1. That left the Beavers at 8-13, 35-16 overall. There is no conceivable way that you can say that at the same point in the 2007 season that that team was better and that that team was gelling. Intentionally or otherwise, you are mis-remembering the 2007 regular season before the team caught fire. But you are 100% right, when you say that hope springs eternal. |
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Post by baseba1111 on May 25, 2016 21:37:41 GMT -8
If all you care about is making the "field" then yep... there is a chance. If you care about actually being competitive, then "nope"... that ship sailed a long time ago. The constant comparisons to past teams is funny at best, tiresome at worst. I suppose the 73 wins by the Warriors make them better than the '96 Bulls too? Just take a look player by player and see where, if any, this team's roster remotely compares to ANY Beaver team that was successful in the post season... try. Now, part of the problem with that comparison... those post season successes have a proven track record... they actually DID IT. It's more than stats as they are built upon the level of competition. The 2007 Pac 10 was extremely more talented/competitive than the 2016 Pac 11... the 2007 team player by player is far superior. In 2007 there was significant signs of players developing and the team gelling. The current team won 2 of 3 vs. a lower level RPI team on the road that would have not raised a brow if it was still NC. In fact, would have been part of the discussion about playing better teams. But, hope always springs eternal... No, Chicago won a championship. Golden State sacrificed a championship to set a record. The 2007 Pac-10 was better than the 2016 Pac-12 but not markedly so. The conference was still largely regarded as the fourth-best conference. There was a lot less parity, though. Arizona State ran away with the conference, winning the conference by four games over Arizona and earning the #5 national seed. There is no team at the top like that this year. You are comparing the 2016 regular season team with the 2007 postseason team, which was largely different from the 2007 regular season team. In 2007, Oregon State's May series were at Washington, Washington State, Arizona State, and at UCLA. Oregon State dropped the series to Washington. And dropped a home series to Washington State. At home, against Arizona State, Oregon State got swept (at home!), and it was not even close. The Beavers lost the last two games a combined 11-1. That left the Beavers at 8-13, 35-16 overall. There is no conceivable way that you can say that at the same point in the 2007 season that that team was better and that that team was gelling. Intentionally or otherwise, you are mis-remembering the 2007 regular season before the team caught fire. But you are 100% right, when you say that hope springs eternal. Lol ... you seem to be arguing points I never made?! If you reread the third paragraph I mention the issue comparing past teams with said current team... one has been there done that, the other is in the "hope phase". There is no comparing fact with what "could happen". You also spend an inordinate amount of energy writing about records and series vs teams 10 years apart. I again simply mentioned that player by player the 2007 team is better and the 2007 team showed steady signs of growth and improvement. Which often belies stats or league record. Their catching "fire" in 2007 was a direct product of that... again, fact... they did it. It wasn't a fluke or handed to them. The 2016 team has in fact shown quite the opposite. They have not shown consistent growth... or for that matter consistency period. So again... my points were not the ones you attempted to refute. So to make it easier... this team in no way reminds of 2007: -not nearly as talented -has not shown any sign of consistent "life" -has coaches/players talking about rifts -has underachieved in a weak Pac12 And, I'm pretty sure there was no intent of throwing away a championship to win 73. It might be true now to those who revel in 20/20 hindsight. But I'm fairly certain the majority of the experts and NBA public had the Warriors as the favorites even with the record. |
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Post by eugenedave on May 25, 2016 21:38:01 GMT -8
In 2007, Oregon State's May series were at Washington, Washington State, Arizona State, and at UCLA. Oregon State dropped the series to Washington. And dropped a home series to Washington State. At home, against Arizona State, Oregon State got swept (at home!), and it was not even close. The Beavers lost the last two games a combined 11-1. That left the Beavers at 8-13, 35-16 overall. I remember the 2007 ASU home series like it was yesterday. Getting swept was awful, and the last game was a disaster. They committed five or six errors, the weather was crappy, and fans left in droves before the game was over. In those days they signed autographs on the field, after the last game. I got a ball signed. Most of the players didn't want to make eye contact with me, that's how down they were. I told them that they were going to go back to Omaha and win it all again. I'm sure they thought I was nuts. |
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Post by BeaverG20 on May 26, 2016 4:53:46 GMT -8
That 2007 team and championship was so incredibly outside of the norm that thinking it can happen again is crazy. Good crazy, but still crazy. I'd be happy as hell if they did it again, but I seriously doubt it does.
Either way, the team should be better next year, but let's see who stays.
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Post by ochobeavo on May 26, 2016 6:49:58 GMT -8
That 2007 team and championship was so incredibly outside of the norm that thinking it can happen again is crazy. Good crazy, but still crazy. I'd be happy as hell if they did it again, but I seriously doubt it does. Either way, the team should be better next year, but let's see who stays. If you disagree that this team is 2007 all over again (even has the same coach!) and we are going to Omaha via Charlottesville (just like in 2007!) because of a website's latest projection, well sir.. you are negative!  |
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Post by nabeav on May 26, 2016 7:17:50 GMT -8
I booked my tickets to Omaha in February....BELIEVE!
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Post by baseba1111 on May 26, 2016 7:51:45 GMT -8
I booked my tickets to Omaha in February....BELIEVE! It's a fun trip no matter. Just a GREAT trip if "we" make it! |
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Post by jdogge on May 26, 2016 8:05:51 GMT -8
That 2007 team and championship was so incredibly outside of the norm that thinking it can happen again is crazy. Good crazy, but still crazy. I'd be happy as hell if they did it again, but I seriously doubt it does. Either way, the team should be better next year, but let's see who stays. Have you heard rumblings of pending departures? Who? |
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Post by ochobeavo on May 26, 2016 8:26:47 GMT -8
Depending where you look, Ice is being projected anywhere from Rd 2 - Rd 5, and that's in a pretty deep draft class for college catchers. I'd be surprised if he came back.
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Post by thewizard on May 26, 2016 9:20:54 GMT -8
Depending where you look, Ice is being projected anywhere from Rd 2 - Rd 5, and that's in a pretty deep draft class for college catchers. I'd be surprised if he came back. It would not surprise me if Ice did come back. I think he is in the mold of Wetzler and Boyd. It is all about being a Beaver and getting to Omaha to win a National Title. Not saying that I know he is coming back, but maybe just wishing he comes back. Just imagine Ice and Harrison in the lineup again next year! |
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