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Post by beaverstever on Mar 25, 2021 20:35:53 GMT -8
This video does a good job of breaking down their defense:
A few things that jump out at me:
- They have quick hands that will make dribbling tough, but they are smart when they reach. They don't reach when trying to block shots either. - They'll likely want Williamson on Thompson, and that will be tough. Ironically, their offense kind of invites the opponents into shots that Thompson seeks - dribbles into the middle for contested fade-aways. Thompson is really good at these, but they are still tough shots. - Krutwig's quick hands will have a field day with our bigs if they dribble near him. We'll try to get entry passes into Silva and have him go to work. Silva is a tough matchup for them if they can't keep him off his spots. - They will go over the top of our screens most likely, the way we've been shooting the ball. They will want to force us to beat them from the midrange. What makes them dangerous here is that they are very deceptive about their help - it looks like the help is sagging, and but they still stay in the passing lanes, so it's hard to read what the defense is giving up.
Bottom line, we cannot expect their defense to have break-downs, nor will it give many bailout fouls. Players like Thompson and Alatische will be able to get the kid of shots they take because they regularly sign up for the 'tough twos'. Lucas doesn't mind taking the tough 3s, so he'll get shots off as well. But our best bet I think is getting Andele and Silva able to post up low and force them to double on the block - if we're able to do that, they will likely have to commit to double-teams, giving opportunities for open looks.
When we're defending them, we've got a Gulich situation where Krutwig plays PG from the high-post, and finds open players cutting through the paint. He's really good at reading defenses, has very quick hands and feet, and is just crafty around the basket. I expect us to try a lot of different things with him, particularly denying that high-post entry pass. I'd like to see us run a 1-3-1 D against them, as it seems like a tough D for what they like to do in term of ball flow.
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Post by mbabeav on Mar 26, 2021 10:01:35 GMT -8
Zach needs to shoot - force them to go 5-on-5; they can't double team anyone if we have the outside hitting. Warith can guard anyone and if they don't post Silva at the top of the key and pick and roll multiple times, I will be really surprised. High lob into the big guy for a layup, or three have to collapse in the paint for LC and Lucas, Thompson, Calloo and Reichle burn them from the outside. I feel really good about this game, really good.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 26, 2021 19:30:14 GMT -8
Tried to read some the different previews but they start off with "how is OSU still in it?". Then they all go on to talk about how good Loyola is...how good they are defensively....no props to the Beavs for their D in the tourney....one article said Thompson has carried the Beavs.....huh? It's like they haven't watched us play.
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Post by beaverdreams on Mar 26, 2021 19:35:38 GMT -8
Seriously! It's amazing how disrespected the Beavs are getting by the national media even still. I just read the ESPN article about whether or not any double digit seeds stood a chance to advance.....without exception OSU is the team no one gives a chance to. Onr of the writers goes so far to say something like, 'well, Oral Roberts has big time great players'.....the Beavers just got 'lucky' that Tennessee and Okie St missed their threes....no mention that maybe, just maybe that had something to do with our defense. Just amazing......
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 26, 2021 19:51:04 GMT -8
Zach needs to shoot - force them to go 5-on-5; they can't double team anyone if we have the outside hitting. Warith can guard anyone and if they don't post Silva at the top of the key and pick and roll multiple times, I will be really surprised. High lob into the big guy for a layup, or three have to collapse in the paint for LC and Lucas, Thompson, Calloo and Reichle burn them from the outside. I feel really good about this game, really good. Good point on Reichle....if he's playing with confidence, and hitting early, Beavs will be much harder to defend.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 26, 2021 19:58:30 GMT -8
Seriously! It's amazing how disrespected the Beavs are getting by the national media even still. I just read the ESPN article about whether or not any double digit seeds stood a chance to advance.....without exception OSU is the team no one gives a chance to. Onr of the writers goes so far to say something like, 'well, Oral Roberts has big time great players'.....the Beavers just got 'lucky' that Tennessee and Okie St missed their threes....no mention that maybe, just maybe that had something to do with our defense. Just amazing...... I mean they couldn't have watched the games, right? Or at least didn't pay attention. The Beavs D was stifling.....their shifts were spot on. They played fast, and athletic against supposedly athletically superior teams. Beavs have won 5 in a row, all vs tourney teams....is that all luck?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 27, 2021 7:15:41 GMT -8
Oregon State beat five Tournament teams in a row. Two of those teams are still in the Sweet Sixteen and a third, whether it be Oklahoma State or Tennessee, would be a Sweet Sixteen. Looking backwards, Oregon State has won 9 of the past 11 with the two losses both being to teams that made the Tournament, one still in the Sweet Sixteen.
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 27, 2021 7:21:41 GMT -8
Yep - for a 12 seed, they sure haven’t gotten the media darling treatment. Loyola Chicago meanwhile is getting lots of pub, and being put into the Final Four.
I did hear a talking head get asked if Loyola C was under seeded, and they went through their record and said an 8 was overseeding - that all 3 of their wins over Drake had Drake playing short-handed. They’ve of course played very well in the tourney, but that’s not part of the seeding.
I hope they play tight as the big favorite.
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 27, 2021 7:25:44 GMT -8
In the two tourney games, Alatishe has been shooting terrible and Andele has hardly been used. Both of those guys were key in the Pac-12 tournament. We have gotten some unusual contributions, but we’ve have some of our normal contributions not even happening in Indy.
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Post by mbabeav on Mar 27, 2021 7:36:49 GMT -8
In the two tourney games, Alatishe has been shooting terrible and Andele has hardly been used. Both of those guys were key in the Pac-12 tournament. We have gotten some unusual contributions, but we’ve have some of our normal contributions not even happening in Indy. Yet
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Post by bennysdentist on Mar 27, 2021 7:47:36 GMT -8
On ESPN college Gameday, a fair amount of time was dedicated to video and analysis of Loyola. All that was said about OSU was they aren’t a good 3 point shooting team, but have done ok in the tourney. Reece Davis did mock the panel a bit, but still no respect. That’s OK, the talking heads don’t play the game. You got this, Beavs!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 27, 2021 7:50:44 GMT -8
Yep - for a 12 seed, they sure haven’t gotten the media darling treatment. Loyola Chicago meanwhile is getting lots of pub, and being put into the Final Four. I did hear a talking head get asked if Loyola C was under seeded, and they went through their record and said an 8 was overseeding - that all 3 of their wins over Drake had Drake playing short-handed. They’ve of course played very well in the tourney, but that’s not part of the seeding. I hope they play tight as the big favorite. Loyola-Chicago beat a short-handed Drake twice and lost once. USC beat a full-strength Drake by 16 on a neutral court. I still think that this is a which team shows up sort of game. Does the Loyola-Chicago that got beat by 14 by Wisconsin show up or the one that beat Illinois by 13. (Illinois would go on to sweep Wisconsin in the Big Ten season, winning by 15 in Champaign and 5 in Madison.) Does the Loyola-Chicago which lost to Richmond in a "neutral site" game in Indianapolis show up? The Spiders would go on to effectively finish ninth in the Atlantic 10. Does the Loyola-Chicago which lost to Indiana State show up or the Loyola-Chicago which beat Indiana State by double figures twice. And the same is true for Oregon State. Which Beaver team do we see? The one from the first 10 games or the last 21? The one that beat Arizona State, Oregon and USC all in a week's time or the one that lost went 2-5 over the next seven? Or do we see the one that took it to an entirely other level and who beat five Tournament teams and three would-be Sweet Sixteen teams in a 10-day period? Go Beavs!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 27, 2021 8:07:43 GMT -8
On ESPN college Gameday, a fair amount of time was dedicated to video and analysis of Loyola. All that was said about OSU was they aren’t a good 3 point shooting team, but have done ok in the tourney. Reece Davis did mock the panel a bit, but still no respect. That’s OK, the talking heads don’t play the game. You got this, Beavs! The knock on Oregon State is that they aren't a good 3-point shooting team, but they were 39/87, 44.8%, against UCLA, Oregon, Colorado and Tennessee. The Beavers shot 30% from beyond the arc against the Cowboys, and that was still good enough to beat Oklahoma State. Maurice Calloo is a big part of that. He is 9/15, 60%, from beyond the arc over the last four games. Before the Pac-12 Semifinal, Calloo was 23/62, 37.1%, from beyond the arc. What else is also crazy is that Calloo is 4/12, 33.3%, from inside the arc over the last four games. Outside of Calloo, Oregon State shot 6/16, 37.5%, against Colorado; 8/18, 44%, against Tennessee; and 3/15, 20%, against Oklahoma State from beyond the arc. Calloo either needs to stay hot or one of the other Beaver shooters is going to have to start shooting lights out, if Oregon State is going to keep it up.
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Post by grackle on Mar 27, 2021 8:40:08 GMT -8
Tried to read some the different previews but they start off with "how is OSU still in it?". Then they all go on to talk about how good Loyola is...how good they are defensively....no props to the Beavs for their D in the tourney....one article said Thompson has carried the Beavs.....huh? It's like they haven't watched us play. Well, let's just face it....we stink. And national "experts" are never wrong, right? No sense playing the game. Uh, wait...isn't that what they said before Vols and Cowboys?
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Post by lefty on Mar 27, 2021 10:09:37 GMT -8
In the two tourney games, Alatishe has been shooting terrible and Andele has hardly been used. Both of those guys were key in the Pac-12 tournament. We have gotten some unusual contributions, but we’ve have some of our normal contributions not even happening in Indy. Yet Alalishe may not be hot as a shooter, but on defense he has been outstanding. Is it my imagination or does he out jump everyone by a foot. He had a real key clutch shot in the Oklahoma State game. I look for him to have a great game today.
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