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Post by speakthetruth on Mar 25, 2021 12:00:51 GMT -8
Here is a paragraph from an article in the Oregonian, May 29, 2019 - sound familiar? Many of the same players then are the same players now.
"After hitting the cover off the ball to open the season, Oregon State’s young lineup regressed to the mean by the start of conference play. The Beavers are tied for 164th out of 297 Division I teams with a batting average of .264, the program’s lowest mark since 1984. Among Pac-12 teams, only Washington (475) has struck out more than Oregon State (471)."
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 25, 2021 12:20:13 GMT -8
Here is a paragraph from an article in the Oregonian, May 29, 2019 - sound familiar? Many of the same players then are the same players now. "After hitting the cover off the ball to open the season, Oregon State’s young lineup regressed to the mean by the start of conference play. The Beavers are tied for 164th out of 297 Division I teams with a batting average of .264, the program’s lowest mark since 1984. Among Pac-12 teams, only Washington (475) has struck out more than Oregon State (471)." These are all such weird conversations to be having, when the team has scored 37 runs over the past four games...............
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Post by speakthetruth on Mar 25, 2021 12:44:14 GMT -8
Ok we scored a bunch of runs against not very good pitching. I looked back at the byu and oregon series:
BYU we struck out 31 times in three games. Oregon we struck out 27 times in three games.
Even against Washington State we struck out 26 times in three games.
That's not putting the ball in play and moving people or making the other team make a mistake. it simply letting pitches go by or whiffing.
Unfortunately it seems to be contagious among the team.
Its hard to hide those deficiencies.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 25, 2021 13:14:18 GMT -8
Ok we scored a bunch of runs against not very good pitching. I looked back at the byu and oregon series: BYU we struck out 31 times in three games. Oregon we struck out 27 times in three games. Even against Washington State we struck out 26 times in three games. That's not putting the ball in play and moving people or making the other team make a mistake. it simply letting pitches go by or whiffing. Unfortunately it seems to be contagious among the team. Its hard to hide those deficiencies. In 2017, Oregon State struck out 30 times in three games against UCLA and 27 times in three games against Oregon. And that was arguably the best team in Oregon State history.
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Post by speakthetruth on Mar 25, 2021 13:19:45 GMT -8
thankfully the 2017 team didn't make a habit of it.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 25, 2021 14:14:47 GMT -8
thankfully the 2017 team didn't make a habit of it. I mean LSU struck out Oregon State 29 times in the Beavers' final three games at the College World Series. And only nine of those were Greg Street punchouts. The key to me is to win the strikeout battle. Against BYU, the Beavers struck out 31 times, but the Cougars struck out 37 times. Against Oregon, the Beavers struck out 27 times, but the Ducks struck out 35 times. Against Washington State, the Beavers struck out 26 times, but the Cougars struck out 29 times. Against Santa Clara, the Beavers struck out 15 times, but the Broncos struck out 26 times. As "bad" as Oregon State's hitters are, the other teams' hitters are worse. If you win the strikeout battle, you should win the series war. And, outside of the Oregon series, Oregon State is doing that. Doing a deeper analytical dive into the Oregon series, because it is bothering me, a good analysis of how lucky a player/team involves BABIP. Sabermetrics say that, if the two teams have comparable defenses, the BABIPs should equal out. A typically good defense will usually allow a BABIP of .300. A great defense will allow a lower BABIP and a bad defense will allow a higher BABIP. In game one, Oregon put the ball into play 16 times and had 8 hits, which is ridiculous. Oregon State put the ball into play 19 times and had 4 hits. In game two, Oregon put the ball into play 23 times and had 8 hits. Oregon State put the ball into play 17 times and had 4 hits. In game three, Oregon put the ball into play 26 times and had 8 hits. Oregon State put the ball into play 23 times and had 4 hits. Oregon's BABIP was .369. Oregon State's BABIP was .203. So, is Oregon's defense .097 better than the average defense? I personally doubt that Oregon has a better defense than Oregon State, much less a defense that would account for a BABIP differential of .166. It looks to me that both the Ducks got lucky, and the Beavers got unlucky. That happens every once in awhile in three-game series. If that happens more often, it means that something else is up, but that is a small dataset. All of this sky is falling garbage. Show me stats to back up the idea that Oregon State is really in trouble. Until then, I would suggest that your eyes are playing tricks on you.
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Post by ag87 on Mar 25, 2021 14:59:52 GMT -8
Didn't watch any of that series - saying that, I would be shocked if the ducks didn't have a lot more hard hit balls. Does professional baseball use something called exit velocity or similar to measure that?
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Post by grackle on Mar 28, 2021 11:07:44 GMT -8
2006 Oregon State scored 12 and 13 runs against Nevada and 12 runs against BYU. If you take away the three highest-scoring games from each team, 2021 still outscored 2006. Maybe you should take a poll and see if you can even find one other person on this board that thinks this team is anywhere near the 2006 team. I will anxiously await your results. Of course you could easily have asked the same question early in the season about the 2006 team relative to any number of other previous good years for Beaver baseball. Baseball, especially college ball...you just never know....
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Post by abureid on Mar 28, 2021 15:07:08 GMT -8
Interesting numbers Through UW Game 2 OSU 177K 698 AB. 25.3% of the time we K
Joe Casey 38.5% Ober 28.9% Claunch 22% Preston 21% ( I was surprised) Forester 20.5% Micah 19%
For comparison. 2020 29.8% 2019 25.0% 2018 18.6%.
So really, we are striking out about average, not nearly as often as I thought we were.
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