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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 23, 2021 13:37:40 GMT -8
4 of the bottom 5 left
ESPN reseeding article. 4 Pac12 teams left. 4 of the worst reseeded teams left. Only Creighton reseeded at 16 is worse than any PAC 12 team. Looking at the criteria they even espouse to use, how does that happen? Syracuse moves to 8!? Loyola is ranked 5th. What do you all think? A conference slighted? Slotted about correct? No big deal and concentrate on Saturday? It’s gonna be a long week. Where would you seed us? RPI-wise we're 15th out of the remaining 16 I believe. Loyola is 7th... RPI: 1. Gonzaga 2. Alabama 3. Houston 4. Baylor 5. Michigan 6. Arkansas 7. USC 8. Loyola-Chicago 9. Villanova 10. Florida State 11. Oregon 12. UCLA 13. Syracuse 14. Creighton 15. Oregon State 16. Oral Roberts
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 23, 2021 14:03:46 GMT -8
Where would you seed us? RPI-wise we're 15th out of the remaining 16 I believe. Loyola is 7th... RPI: 1. Gonzaga 2. Alabama 3. Houston 4. Baylor 5. Michigan 6. Arkansas 7. USC 8. Loyola-Chicago 9. Villanova 10. Florida State 11. Oregon 12. UCLA 13. Syracuse 14. Creighton 15. Oregon State 16. Oral Roberts How about we ranks team based upon their closest victory (tiebreaker is second-closest victory):
1. Gonzaga 16 (43) 2. USC 16 (34) 3. Oregon 15 4. Baylor 13 (24) 5. Alabama 13 (19) 6. UCLA 11 (20) 7. Loyola-Chicago 11 (13) 8. Villanova 10 (23) 9. Florida State 10 (18) 10. Oregon State 10 (14) 11. Michigan 8 (16) 12. Houston 3 (21) 13. Syracuse 3 (16) 14. Oral Roberts 3 (3) 15. Arkansas 2 (17) 16. Creighton 1 (18)
That looks closer to reality.
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Post by Mike84 on Mar 23, 2021 14:28:14 GMT -8
Ranking the best teams left is not the same as predicting who will move on. In my mind, a reseeding is different than a power ranking. A reseeding should have consideration for the structure of the actual tournament at hand. I absolutely agree, pabeaver. If you're going to call it a reseeding, after the matchups are already determined, then make the "seeding" fit with the matchups. We all know this isn't actually a reseeding, because an actual reseeding determines the matchups. So, either call it a power ranking and have it be an opinion of which teams are strongest at this point or call it a reseeding and have the seedings fit with the matchups.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 23, 2021 16:18:26 GMT -8
RPI: 1. Gonzaga 2. Alabama 3. Houston 4. Baylor 5. Michigan 6. Arkansas 7. USC 8. Loyola-Chicago 9. Villanova 10. Florida State 11. Oregon 12. UCLA 13. Syracuse 14. Creighton 15. Oregon State 16. Oral Roberts How about we ranks team based upon their closest victory (tiebreaker is second-closest victory):
1. Gonzaga 16 (43) 2. USC 16 (34) 3. Oregon 15 4. Baylor 13 (24) 5. Alabama 13 (19) 6. UCLA 11 (20) 7. Loyola-Chicago 11 (13) 8. Villanova 10 (23) 9. Florida State 10 (18) 10. Oregon State 10 (14) 11. Michigan 8 (16) 12. Houston 3 (21) 13. Syracuse 3 (16) 14. Oral Roberts 3 (3) 15. Arkansas 2 (17) 16. Creighton 1 (18)
That looks closer to reality.Longest current win streaks away from home arena: 1. Gonzaga 18 2. Oregon State 8 3. Alabama 7
Even better.
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Post by ee1990 on Mar 23, 2021 16:22:01 GMT -8
"they" have to defend the narrative. Jay Bilas suggested that the Big-10 struggled because they were burned out on being in Indianapolis because that's where the conference tournament was held. That's how desperate these guys are to not admit they were wrong.
edit: also those rankings are fine. FSU would probably beat the crap out of every team below them on that list.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 23, 2021 17:31:16 GMT -8
Fun fact.
Four Pac-12 teams in the Sweet Sixteen is the most Pac-10/12 teams in the Sweet Sixteen in 20 years, since 2001. In 2001, the Pac-10 got five teams into the Tournament.
Like in 2021, the Pac-10 started hot in 2001 with only loss in the first two rounds. The C-team from B-town in the South Regional (California in 2001, Colorado in 2021) lost to F-State (Fresno State in 2001, Florida State in 2021).
In 2001, USC and another Pac-10 team (UCLA) were in the East with USC making it through to play and lose to the eventual Tournament Champion (Duke) in the Elite Eight. In 2021, Oregon and USC are paired with each other in the West with the winner guaranteed to play in the Elite Eight.
The Pac-10 placed three teams in the Elite Eight, one each in the East, Midwest and West. The team in the Midwest was the lone team to win in the Elite Eight, advancing all the way to the Championship Game. Half of Duke's games en route to the National Championship were against Pac-10 teams. Duke's two closest wins were against Arizona in the National Championship Game and USC in the Elite Eight.
The Pac-10 placed four teams in the Sweet Sixteen in 1998, one in each Regional. Utah also made the Sweet Sixteen that year, as well. The Pac-10 regular season champion played in the Elite Eight in the West against Utah with the Utes winning. A Pac-10 team beat the #2 and #8 seeds in the Midwest Regional Semifinal and Final in order to advance to the Final Four, losing to the eventual champion in overtime.
The Pac-10 placed five teams in the Tournament and four teams in the Sweet Sixteen in 1997, one in each Regional. Utah also made the Sweet Sixteen that year, as well. Arizona won in a 4-12 matchup in the Second Round and won its Sweet Sixteen matchup by four before winning in the Elite Eight against a double-digit seed by four in overtime. UCLA was the only other Pac-10 team to win in the Sweet Sixteen in overtime before bowing out to the #1 seed in the Elite Eight. Utah beat one of the Pac-10 teams in overtime in the bottom half of the West Regional before losing to eventual co-champion Kentucky. Arizona wound up winning the National Championship over the West Regional Champion in overtime.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 24, 2021 10:34:45 GMT -8
Hears an article that gives us the best chance of the 4 Pac12 teams of making the Final 4. However, they also disrespect us a couple of paragraphs in by listing uo twice as making the sweet 16 (they forgot the "State") link
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 24, 2021 10:59:53 GMT -8
You should never post Al Davis gifs....the man the forced out F. Wayne Valley from the Oakland Raiders ownership group. That's disrespectful to one of our most generous alums.
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Post by ochobeavo on Mar 24, 2021 11:59:24 GMT -8
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Post by mbabeav on Mar 24, 2021 12:29:21 GMT -8
<1% chance to win the tourney - seems to me we had a .5% chance projected to win the Pac-12 tourney. I'd be headed right out to Spirit Mt. for a $100 on the Beavs to take it all, if it weren't for the bad juju I cause if I bet on the Beavs.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Mar 24, 2021 12:53:30 GMT -8
<1% chance to win the tourney - seems to me we had a .5% chance projected to win the Pac-12 tourney. I'd be headed right out to Spirit Mt. for a $100 on the Beavs to take it all, if it weren't for the bad juju I cause if I bet on the Beavs. I've got $20 at 500/1 for the Beavs to win the whole shooting match.........perhaps you could make 4 trips to the Mtn. and place $5 on each of the next four opponents? Go Beavs!!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 24, 2021 13:03:19 GMT -8
<1% chance to win the tourney - seems to me we had a .5% chance projected to win the Pac-12 tourney. I'd be headed right out to Spirit Mt. for a $100 on the Beavs to take it all, if it weren't for the bad juju I cause if I bet on the Beavs. 538 indicates that Oregon State has a 0.6% chance (roughly 1 in 167) of winning the Championship. Heading into the Tournament, 538 put the chances of Oregon State to get to the Sweet Sixteen at 10% (1 in 10), Final Four at 0.5% (1 in 200) and winning the Championship at <0.1% (<1 in 1,000). In their Midwest Bracket preview, 538 mentioned seeds 1-11 and 13 but did not mention Oregon State. 538 called Rutgers upsetting Clemson. It rated Oregon State as the second worst team compared to seed in the Midwest behind Clemson. Having said that, 538 had Oregon State as the second-best 12-seed behind Georgetown. Some of 538's stuff is interesting. Setting matchups aside, 538 ranked the one-seeds: 1. Gonzaga
2. Illinois
3. Michigan
4. BaylorTwo-seeds: 1. Houston
2. Alabama
3. Iowa
4. Ohio State
And that is pretty much dead-on.
Three-seeds: 1. Arkansas
2. Texas
3. West Virginia
4. Kansas
538 indicated that the top three should advance to the Sweet Sixteen with West Virginia being roughly a 56% shot, whereas Kansas was worse than any three-seed that had advanced to the Sweet Sixteen this century. Four-seeds: 1. Virginia
2. Purdue
3. Florida State
4. Oklahoma State.
538 indicated that Florida State and Oklahoma State were likely to get upset in the first two rounds. But 538 also indicated that Virginia's unique situation might mean that the Cavs were more likely to be upset and Florida State's height could cause matchup problems.
Ken Pomeroy actually has his own non-538 projections. For Oregon State, he indicated that the Beavers had a 26.1% chance to beat the Vols, 9.4% chance to make it to the Sweet Sixteen, 1.4% chance to make it to the Elite Eight, 0.3% chance to win the Final Four, 0.06% chance to make it the Championship game and a 0.008% (1 in 12,500) chance to win the Championship. (538's projections have been slightly better, when it comes to Oregon State.) Kenpom had Oregon State as the second-worst 12-seed and Tennessee as the second-best 5-seed. Kenpom indicated that Tennessee should be a four-seed and Tennessee should be a seven-seed. Kenpom also indicated that Loyola of Chicago should be a three-seed. I was reading that the chances of Oregon State getting to the Sweet Sixteen heading into the UCLA game was 1 in 2,800. Relatively, 1 in 167 to win the Championship Game is a gimme.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 24, 2021 17:56:46 GMT -8
I love defense....it's why I'm not a huge NBA fan anymore.
The way the Beavs have played defense in the tourney has be impressive, to say the least. I don't care what any of these windbag analysts say. I guarantee you loyola chi isn't taking us lightly.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 25, 2021 13:04:47 GMT -8
I love defense....it's why I'm not a huge NBA fan anymore. The way the Beavs have played defense in the tourney has be impressive, to say the least. I don't care what any of these windbag analysts say. I guarantee you loyola chi isn't taking us lightly. With Houston and Syracuse in the next round, I am hoping that Loyola-Chicago is buying into the hype and looking past us. I love it, when Oregon State sneaks up on teams.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Mar 25, 2021 13:36:39 GMT -8
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