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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 26, 2021 12:24:07 GMT -8
My random thoughts on WT.... He really wasnt able to leverage having the coaches sons, and GP2 into a recruiting ascention....I mean there's been a Eubanks here and there, but it hasn't been inspiring....admittedly, I was expecting much more based on getting the talent injection of the above......but it ain't easy! I get that.....attracting talent to Corvallis is not an easy job. He has, however, been able to make a run with this group, that could potentially help get notice from recruits, especially if we go a couple games deeper. That's the bottom line.....we have to be able to consistently attract higher rated recruits...not one and done guys, but guys with options.... I'm thinking the presence of the coaches' sons (and Eubanks) made a "recruiting ascension" far more difficult. Kids want to start from the get-go, and after the NCAA run in the spring of 2016 with 2 of the coaches kids and Eubanks playing major roles in the trip to the tourney, and Ethan coming in, there was strong speculation that there would only be 1 starting spot (at most 2 if a stud thought he could come in and outplay Eubanks) available in the 2016/17, 2017/18 and 2018/19 seasons. In my opinion, a huge proportion of posters on this message board seemed to think that was the case at the time, and I'd bet it was used against OSU in recruiting. An injury to Tres and Drew turning pro opened up one extra spot in two of those seasons, but the damage to recruiting had already been done. A couple of weak classes can kill recruiting momentum a tourney appearance can build. Add to that there were some kids who were fairly highly regarded recruits (McLaughlin, Hollins, Wilson, Li, Kone, Washington) that just didn't pan out due to injury or other reason and it's been a rougher few recruiting years than was expected on paper. The coaches' kids are all but gone (Ethan for one year maybe?), and recruits will likely believe there are potentially 5 starting positions that could be up for grabs from here on. I look at this season's results as an opportunity for a bit of a do-over, hopefully it'll pan out better this next few years (assuming Coach T stays).
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Post by kvgeorge on Mar 26, 2021 12:40:04 GMT -8
The program is in the best position to win since Miller Time. Making the Sweet 16 is a recruiting Bonus win or lose against Loyola of Chi-Town. We win and you recruit as an Elite 8 Squad. Lose and tell the recruit we'd have made the Finals with them on the team. Win Win.
As for the tenure of WT? Upon actually looking at the record and taking off my Orange Colored Glasses, I realized as a previous poster pointed out, WT is the best we've had since Ralph. He currently checks all the boxes, high character, proven performer, program / team builder.
I'm sold and the program expectations have risen dramatically.
I also think you have to factor in the idea that the Pac 12 has been a better basketball conference the past 3 years than it has gotten credit for. Sure tournament performances have been lackluster but the run the Conference is making this year is something to behold.
So the reality is that OSU has been a competitive school in an overlooked conference for the past few years and WT deserves the credit for building the program to this point.
Go Beavers
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 26, 2021 12:43:24 GMT -8
My random thoughts on WT.... He really wasnt able to leverage having the coaches sons, and GP2 into a recruiting ascention....I mean there's been a Eubanks here and there, but it hasn't been inspiring....admittedly, I was expecting much more based on getting the talent injection of the above......but it ain't easy! I get that.....attracting talent to Corvallis is not an easy job. He has, however, been able to make a run with this group, that could potentially help get notice from recruits, especially if we go a couple games deeper. That's the bottom line.....we have to be able to consistently attract higher rated recruits...not one and done guys, but guys with options.... I'm thinking the presence of the coaches' sons (and Eubanks) made a "recruiting ascension" far more difficult. Kids want to start from the get-go, and after the NCAA run in the spring of 2016 with the coaches kids and Eubanks playing major roles in the trip to the tourney, there was strong speculation that there would only be 1 starting spot (at most 2 if a stud thought he could come in and outplay Eubanks) available in the 2016/17, 2017/18 and 2018/19 seasons. In my opinion, a huge proportion of posters on this message board seemed to think that was the case at the time, and I'd bet it was used against OSU in recruiting. An injury to Tres and Drew turning pro opened up one extra spot in two of those seasons, but the damage to recruiting had already been done. A couple of weak classes can kill recruiting momentum a tourney appearance can build. Add to that there were some kids who were fairly highly regarded recruits (McLaughlin, Hollins, Wilson, Li, Kone, Washington) that just didn't pan out due to injury or other reason and it's been a rougher few recruiting years than was expected on paper. The coaches' kids are all but gone (Ethan for one year maybe?), and recruits will likely believe there are potentially 5 starting positions that could be up for grabs from here on. I look at this season's results as an opportunity for a bit of a do-over, hopefully it'll pan out better this next few years (assuming Coach T stays). I understand ur point. The Beavs are typically at the lower end of Pac 12 rankings for recruiting in men's B ball. '19-'21 shows this. That's all I'm saying.... I mean I know you can get a bunch of 3 stars and develop them into a good, veteran team, which is what it seems the approach moving forward will be......unless we start getting more buzz from top recruits. I also don't get completely caught up in stars and rankings. I realize players can outplay or underplay their rank......but, it's about getting kids with a lot of options to come play for you....we are seeing that in football a bit now.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 26, 2021 12:53:17 GMT -8
I'm thinking the presence of the coaches' sons (and Eubanks) made a "recruiting ascension" far more difficult. Kids want to start from the get-go, and after the NCAA run in the spring of 2016 with the coaches kids and Eubanks playing major roles in the trip to the tourney, there was strong speculation that there would only be 1 starting spot (at most 2 if a stud thought he could come in and outplay Eubanks) available in the 2016/17, 2017/18 and 2018/19 seasons. In my opinion, a huge proportion of posters on this message board seemed to think that was the case at the time, and I'd bet it was used against OSU in recruiting. An injury to Tres and Drew turning pro opened up one extra spot in two of those seasons, but the damage to recruiting had already been done. A couple of weak classes can kill recruiting momentum a tourney appearance can build. Add to that there were some kids who were fairly highly regarded recruits (McLaughlin, Hollins, Wilson, Li, Kone, Washington) that just didn't pan out due to injury or other reason and it's been a rougher few recruiting years than was expected on paper. The coaches' kids are all but gone (Ethan for one year maybe?), and recruits will likely believe there are potentially 5 starting positions that could be up for grabs from here on. I look at this season's results as an opportunity for a bit of a do-over, hopefully it'll pan out better this next few years (assuming Coach T stays). I understand ur point. The Beavs are typically at the lower end of Pac 12 rankings for recruiting in men's B ball. '19-'21 shows this. That's all I'm saying.... I mean I know you can get a bunch of 3 stars and develop them into a good, veteran team, which is what it seems the approach moving forward will be......unless we start getting more buzz from top recruits. I also don't get completely caught up in stars and rankings. I realize players can outplay or underplay their rank......but, it's about getting kids with a lot of options to come play for you....we are seeing that in football a bit now. I think you will continue to see WT work the JC circuit and the transfer portal. He has said he would like to get a mix of HS players and transfers. We have no HS recruits coming next year, but we do have 2 really athletic kids (Franklin and Johnson) that will still be Freshman next year. I'm hopeful that we don't lose either one of them to transferring, because I think both of them have a lot of potential.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 26, 2021 14:44:52 GMT -8
Good story about the whole Tinkle family. Tinkles
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Post by nabeav on Mar 26, 2021 15:46:45 GMT -8
Good story about the whole Tinkle family. TinklesGood article, but can you imagine trying to play while your coaches daughter is telling you you're out of position? That sounds rough.
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 26, 2021 15:50:00 GMT -8
I can’t remember where I heard or read it but Coach said he’s focusing on either offense or defense and leaving the other phase to the assistants.
Anyone else remember that interview?
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Post by jdogge on Mar 26, 2021 16:32:45 GMT -8
I'd be shocked if many programs weren't interested in WT now; may not yet major step-up programs, but definitely some good ones. Before this season, he might have been a tough sell to the alumni, but now the resume is solid; getting 2 trips to the dance in 7 years, one going at least to the sweet 16 - particularly given nobody else has come close since RM at OSU. His success at Montana make for a proven long track record of success. Let's put it this way - if he had been at WSU the last 7 years, many here would be drooling over him as a prospect. It probably would need to be a pretty compelling offer/situation for him to leave, and I suspect it would need to be significantly more than just a big pay raise, but his phone surely is ringing. The really good news for OSU though is if he does leave, the job should be way more attractive than it has been for a long time. Are you talking about the Wayne Tinkle a lot of posters thought should be fired? THAT Wayne Tinkle?
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 26, 2021 16:50:20 GMT -8
I understand ur point. The Beavs are typically at the lower end of Pac 12 rankings for recruiting in men's B ball. '19-'21 shows this. That's all I'm saying.... I mean I know you can get a bunch of 3 stars and develop them into a good, veteran team, which is what it seems the approach moving forward will be......unless we start getting more buzz from top recruits. I also don't get completely caught up in stars and rankings. I realize players can outplay or underplay their rank......but, it's about getting kids with a lot of options to come play for you....we are seeing that in football a bit now. I think you will continue to see WT work the JC circuit and the transfer portal. He has said he would like to get a mix of HS players and transfers. We have no HS recruits coming next year, but we do have 2 really athletic kids (Franklin and Johnson) that will still be Freshman next year. I'm hopeful that we don't lose either one of them to transferring, because I think both of them have a lot of potential. I do think the transfer portal, and JC route makes sense for our program. It would be nice to have success parlay into more interest...this run will do nothing but help. If I'm completely honest with myself I had much higher expectations with having the "coaches kids". Maybe my expectations were too high.....I'm sure I wasnt the only one.
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 26, 2021 17:06:19 GMT -8
Coach Tinkle said he was focusing on defense I believe
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Post by wetrodentia on Mar 26, 2021 19:52:58 GMT -8
I can’t remember where I heard or read it but Coach said he’s focusing on either offense or defense and leaving the other phase to the assistants. Anyone else remember that interview? IIRC Nemec asked a question that Coach, being visibly exhausted in an interview, mistakenly misheard as being critical of the offense. I don’t remember exactly but I think he misheard a number Nemec used. Maybe field goal percentage. So coach snarked at him something like ‘I handed over the offense to Shawn Schoeffler and am focusing on the defense.’ I initially thought he said Shawn when he meant one of his assistant coaches but then I got the impression in his delirium he was being a smart ass. I could be wrong. I remember chuckling and thinking “yeah Wayne give it to him”. The interview was posted on here. Might have been the morning after they flew into Indy.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 27, 2021 7:19:22 GMT -8
We'll extend it to five - and we should. Anything less would be a "no-confidence" vote that would be used against us in recruiting. Yeah, if he decides to stick around, the AD is going to have to give him at least a five-year deal with a raise. If they do not work that out in the offseason, I doubt that Tinkle stays here.
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Post by jimbeav on Mar 27, 2021 16:22:47 GMT -8
And if Tres and the Thompsons had gone someplace else, when they averaged in double figures, made all-league teams and were some of the best players on their respective teams people would have been all over Tinkle and Thompson for not even being able to recruit their kids. I was excited to learn they'd be playing here. I enjoyed watching them play. I enjoy watching Ethan play. They have helped us to two NCAA berths and some of the best seasons we've had since Ralph left. I have zero problem with them coming here. They were fantastic players, and better yet, super high quality, high character young men. In fact, I had a real problem with how s%#tty some beaver fans treated arguably one of the best players to ever don the Beaver jersey. However, I think you are hard pressed to claim there wasn't a downside. I think it made it hard for the other players and I ultimately think it made it hard to be a cohesive team in those years. What missing was never talent... it was that little something extra... 100% agreed with this concern, and I do believe there is something to it. Tinkle actually mentioned this in passing in one of his recent post-games, either the Tennessee or Ok.St. game. He mentioned how opposing programs have used the sons against them in recruiting, and he also said something along the lines of (totally paraphrasing from a faulty memory), "...and some softer players have used them as an excuse, claiming favoritism." There have absolutely been very strong rumors from some player circles about the coaches playing favorites with Tres and the Thompsons and letting them get away with all kinds of things that others didn't, and I thought this comment was very interesting because it shows you where Wayne's mind is at on the subject. Not gonna say who has it "right" because I have no idea, but I think this shows how easily the situation can deteriorate into some players feeling like they aren't being given a fair shot, versus a coach who thinks they're just being soft and not stepping up. Ain't no team making any kind of run when that kind of stuff is hanging in the air... The program definitely benefitted overall from all of them playing for us, and advanced the program's legitimacy and competitiveness in ways that we should all be thankful for. But I do think it came with a bit of a tax, and put a ceiling on how good we could become. Hopefully, the run this year is a harbinger of what is to come now that everybody is free to get on the same page and not worry about what kind of ulterior motives there might be...
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 27, 2021 16:39:54 GMT -8
I'd be shocked if many programs weren't interested in WT now; may not yet major step-up programs, but definitely some good ones. Before this season, he might have been a tough sell to the alumni, but now the resume is solid; getting 2 trips to the dance in 7 years, one going at least to the sweet 16 - particularly given nobody else has come close since RM at OSU. His success at Montana make for a proven long track record of success. Let's put it this way - if he had been at WSU the last 7 years, many here would be drooling over him as a prospect. It probably would need to be a pretty compelling offer/situation for him to leave, and I suspect it would need to be significantly more than just a big pay raise, but his phone surely is ringing. The really good news for OSU though is if he does leave, the job should be way more attractive than it has been for a long time. Are you talking about the Wayne Tinkle a lot of posters thought should be fired? THAT Wayne Tinkle? I don’t know if it was “a lot” of posters. I know it was a few who were very loud about it.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 27, 2021 16:43:44 GMT -8
All I know is this is fun! And I take back any criticisms of Tinkle I've had in the past.
The nation must now take notice.....so awesome!!
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