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Post by nabeav on Mar 23, 2021 10:30:18 GMT -8
What do people think about the theory that with Tres gone, the program is better set up for success. Coaching your kid isn't easy, especially when you're coaching in a new place. If Tres had come to Montana, where Wayne was already an established coach and Tres was the two time state player of the year. Here, it was the new guy bringing in his son to play for him. I'd imagine that there was plenty of tension and stress involved with trying to manage that situation.
I'd be curious to see if anyone asked him this question, even if we didn't get a straight answer. Is it easier to coach without your son on the team? My guess is yes.
And that's not to say that I wish we never got Tres. He was a great player and fun to watch. Just acknowledging that it's a difficult situation to coach your kid...probably even tougher when that kid is the best player.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 23, 2021 10:48:47 GMT -8
He actually talked about the difficulty of coaching a son Tres' first couple of seasons. He's also said it probably affected our recruiting.
Compound that with 2 other highly recruited sons on the team, 3 of our starting 5 appeared SET for several years to potential recruits - A lot of kids have a high opinion of how soon they'll start coming out of high school, but displacing the coaches' sons is a huge hurdle that is non-existent at most schools. It had to affect things.
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Post by seastape on Mar 23, 2021 11:28:03 GMT -8
What do people think about the theory that with Tres gone, the program is better set up for success. Coaching your kid isn't easy, especially when you're coaching in a new place. If Tres had come to Montana, where Wayne was already an established coach and Tres was the two time state player of the year. Here, it was the new guy bringing in his son to play for him. I'd imagine that there was plenty of tension and stress involved with trying to manage that situation. I'd be curious to see if anyone asked him this question, even if we didn't get a straight answer. Is it easier to coach without your son on the team? My guess is yes. And that's not to say that I wish we never got Tres. He was a great player and fun to watch. Just acknowledging that it's a difficult situation to coach your kid...probably even tougher when that kid is the best player. I have long wondered whether having coaches' kids on the team could be an obstacle. I don't know if that's the case this year, but the players sure seem to have bought into the concept of "team." Recruiting really seems to have picked up and if Tinkle can sustain a good level, it'll get even higher. I say we do to what can be done to keep Tinkle.
Also, look at the odds of improving our program if he leaves: In the 30+ years since Miller retired, only Tinkle has shown signs of life and the ability to get us to the tourney, which is what really matters in basketball. He has the bonus of being a good man who recruits good men. We need to keep him and if that means a 5 year contract then sign him up.
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 23, 2021 11:41:29 GMT -8
I will just counter that Syracuse is making it work at the moment, although it could be argued that it's still impacted their relative recruiting. No question though that this is a hard thing to manage and recruit with, and even harder when it's not just one kid, but 3 guys for the majority of WT's tenure.
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Post by babeav on Mar 23, 2021 13:48:35 GMT -8
Didn’t work out for Iowa.....McCaffery had 2 sons playing and the zeros drilled them.
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Post by bill82 on Mar 23, 2021 13:57:24 GMT -8
What do people think about the theory that with Tres gone, the program is better set up for success. Coaching your kid isn't easy, especially when you're coaching in a new place. If Tres had come to Montana, where Wayne was already an established coach and Tres was the two time state player of the year. Here, it was the new guy bringing in his son to play for him. I'd imagine that there was plenty of tension and stress involved with trying to manage that situation. I'd be curious to see if anyone asked him this question, even if we didn't get a straight answer. Is it easier to coach without your son on the team? My guess is yes. And that's not to say that I wish we never got Tres. He was a great player and fun to watch. Just acknowledging that it's a difficult situation to coach your kid...probably even tougher when that kid is the best player. I agree it is best without Tres. Most kids are going to come from families with typical two-wage earning parents. We have all heard the stories of kids on schollies not having spending money. Add to the mix a kid from a millionaire's family who can drive a fancy car AND their dad is the coach - that cannot help building good team chemistry. The power imbalance is too great. I think we will see better chemistry going forward and fewer players leaving early.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 23, 2021 13:57:33 GMT -8
McDermott had a good run with his son at Creighton a few years back until his son left the plantation.
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Post by atownbeaver on Mar 23, 2021 14:26:39 GMT -8
What do people think about the theory that with Tres gone, the program is better set up for success. Coaching your kid isn't easy, especially when you're coaching in a new place. If Tres had come to Montana, where Wayne was already an established coach and Tres was the two time state player of the year. Here, it was the new guy bringing in his son to play for him. I'd imagine that there was plenty of tension and stress involved with trying to manage that situation. I'd be curious to see if anyone asked him this question, even if we didn't get a straight answer. Is it easier to coach without your son on the team? My guess is yes. And that's not to say that I wish we never got Tres. He was a great player and fun to watch. Just acknowledging that it's a difficult situation to coach your kid...probably even tougher when that kid is the best player. I think it helps with team chemistry. I think it is undisputed that Tres, Stephen and Ethan are starter worthy. I think they start on any team in the Pac, easily. Tres probably starts on any team in the nation. So even if you can't LOGICALLY question their starting jobs, you probably can't help but feel these players have privilege's over the others. they are NOT equals, no matter how hard you want to pretend they are. So the rest of the squad is outsiders to these elites, even if only in their minds. I think it is really hard to come together as a team like that.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 23, 2021 14:38:31 GMT -8
And if Tres and the Thompsons had gone someplace else, when they averaged in double figures, made all-league teams and were some of the best players on their respective teams people would have been all over Tinkle and Thompson for not even being able to recruit their kids.
I was excited to learn they'd be playing here. I enjoyed watching them play. I enjoy watching Ethan play. They have helped us to two NCAA berths and some of the best seasons we've had since Ralph left.
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Post by atownbeaver on Mar 23, 2021 16:31:11 GMT -8
And if Tres and the Thompsons had gone someplace else, when they averaged in double figures, made all-league teams and were some of the best players on their respective teams people would have been all over Tinkle and Thompson for not even being able to recruit their kids. I was excited to learn they'd be playing here. I enjoyed watching them play. I enjoy watching Ethan play. They have helped us to two NCAA berths and some of the best seasons we've had since Ralph left. I have zero problem with them coming here. They were fantastic players, and better yet, super high quality, high character young men. In fact, I had a real problem with how s%#tty some beaver fans treated arguably one of the best players to ever don the Beaver jersey. However, I think you are hard pressed to claim there wasn't a downside. I think it made it hard for the other players and I ultimately think it made it hard to be a cohesive team in those years. What missing was never talent... it was that little something extra...
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 23, 2021 18:56:22 GMT -8
All three of those kids were a great fit for OSU and I'm thrilled they were/are here. It'd probably been nicer from a recruiting standpoint if it were spread out over a decade or so. I'd bet there were coaches at other schools saying something along the lines of those three getting all of the playing time, with 10 other kids fighting over the remaining 80 minutes of playing time (even though it doesn't work out like that in real life - I think Ralph may have coached a game or two where he didn't go beyond 5-6 players, but otherwise minutes usually get spread around).
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 23, 2021 19:27:56 GMT -8
However, I think you are hard pressed to claim there wasn't a downside.
Perhaps. But the upside was much better.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 23, 2021 20:07:07 GMT -8
There's a downside to everything if you focus on the negative.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 25, 2021 21:07:31 GMT -8
My random thoughts on WT....
He really wasnt able to leverage having the coaches sons, and GP2 into a recruiting ascention....I mean there's been a Eubanks here and there, but it hasn't been inspiring....admittedly, I was expecting much more based on getting the talent injection of the above......but it ain't easy! I get that.....attracting talent to Corvallis is not an easy job.
He has, however, been able to make a run with this group, that could potentially help get notice from recruits, especially if we go a couple games deeper.
That's the bottom line.....we have to be able to consistently attract higher rated recruits...not one and done guys, but guys with options....
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Post by mbabeav on Mar 26, 2021 9:56:07 GMT -8
My random thoughts on WT.... He really wasnt able to leverage having the coaches sons, and GP2 into a recruiting ascention....I mean there's been a Eubanks here and there, but it hasn't been inspiring....admittedly, I was expecting much more based on getting the talent injection of the above......but it ain't easy! I get that.....attracting talent to Corvallis is not an easy job. He has, however, been able to make a run with this group, that could potentially help get notice from recruits, especially if we go a couple games deeper. That's the bottom line.....we have to be able to consistently attract higher rated recruits...not one and done guys, but guys with options.... If we go "a couple of games deeper", we are in the fricken Final 4!!!!!! If that doesn't get anyone's attention on the recruiting trail, I don't know what will.
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