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Post by TheGlove on Mar 22, 2021 7:16:35 GMT -8
How to Break the Press 101
Start with inbounding
- guards need to help out the inbounder by setting picks, creating space and coming to the ball
- the inbounder (usually Alatishe or Reichle) needs to grab the ball and inbound it immediately; there is no need to bounce it to the ref or take your time; this only allows the Defense to get set
Once inbounded
- avoid the corners and sidelines, means avoiding the trap
- dribble out of trouble, not into it
- toss it up to a big in the middle who can turn and make a pass
Do we have someone to coach this?
Based upon what has happened so far, expect to see full court pressure the rest of the way. Not sure about Loyola's press ability or desire, but I bet they are working on it this week too.
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Post by beavs6 on Mar 22, 2021 7:57:57 GMT -8
In general, I agree with your assessment.
I watched most of the Loyola/Illinois game. I'm not sure the press is what we need to worry about coming from Loyola. They seem to want to play sound half court D and slow the game down. We have more/better athletes than they do. The two teams seem to be pretty similar...or mirror images...of each other. Slow the game down, don't press, play sound defense, work inside-out on the O end of the floor. Should be a good close game. I think it will come down to shooting. Whichever team is lights out...or has the proverbial "off" night.
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Post by gnawitall on Mar 22, 2021 8:08:41 GMT -8
In general, I agree with your assessment. I watched most of the Loyola/Illinois game. I'm not sure the press is what we need to worry about coming from Loyola. They seem to want to play sound half court D and slow the game down. We have more/better athletes than they do. The two teams seem to be pretty similar...or mirror images...of each other. Slow the game down, don't press, play sound defense, work inside-out on the O end of the floor. Should be a good close game. I think it will come down to shooting. Whichever team is lights out...or has the proverbial "off" night. I played small college basketball some decades ago and at the beginning of a season the coach gathered us around and shared some research he had done. The pre analytic era effort revealed that field goal percentage had the biggest impact on wins and losses. Somehow looking back I now think, duh. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Mar 22, 2021 8:13:48 GMT -8
How to Break the Press 101 Start with inbounding - guards need to help out the inbounder by setting picks, creating space and coming to the ball - the inbounder (usually Alatishe or Reichle) needs to grab the ball and inbound it immediately; there is no need to bounce it to the ref or take your time; this only allows the Defense to get set Once inbounded - avoid the corners and sidelines, means avoiding the trap - dribble out of trouble, not into it - toss it up to a big in the middle who can turn and make a pass Do we have someone to coach this? Based upon what has happened so far, expect to see full court pressure the rest of the way. Not sure about Loyola's press ability or desire, but I bet they are working on it this week too. Still baffled at how many times the initial inbounds pass is into the corner and directly into a double team. Even Barkley mentioned it 2-3 times during TNT postgame and it's rare that I agree with anything Charles says. That and the time Lucas decided to dribble the ball cross court rather than just advancing past the halfcourt line turned a few more hairs gray. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 22, 2021 8:13:58 GMT -8
How to Break the Press 101 Start with inbounding - guards need to help out the inbounder by setting picks, creating space and coming to the ball - the inbounder (usually Alatishe or Reichle) needs to grab the ball and inbound it immediately; there is no need to bounce it to the ref or take your time; this only allows the Defense to get set Once inbounded - avoid the corners and sidelines, means avoiding the trap - dribble out of trouble, not into it - toss it up to a big in the middle who can turn and make a pass Do we have someone to coach this? Based upon what has happened so far, expect to see full court pressure the rest of the way. Not sure about Loyola's press ability or desire, but I bet they are working on it this week too. If we do inbound the ball to one side, the pass should go right back to the inbounder before the trap can be set. The inbounder can then reverse the ball or throw it up the middle of the court. Not sure how many times I saw Ethan or Lucas get the inbounds and just wait for the trap to come. We need some quicker ball movement. |
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 22, 2021 8:36:35 GMT -8
They invited the ball to the corner, and we obliged. That said, they also really made it difficult to get the ball to the middle of the court. We really missed Hunt at that point - Hunt was quicker to at spinning out of the double-team and pushing the ball up the court. Ethan finally split the double-team at the end to get to the line.
Loyala-Chicago doesn't have the length/athletes to do the same, we can go over the top of them, so I don't expect they can do that to us. I expect them to do what they do, force efficient offense. I think they actually wished for OKState, as a team needing turnovers and getting some flow is what they are dynamite against. I really like that we have 5-6 guys with very different physiques that we can throw at their crafty big, along with our switching defenses. This will be a really chess match.
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Post by irimi on Mar 22, 2021 9:03:09 GMT -8
They invited the ball to the corner, and we obliged. That said, they also really made it difficult to get the ball to the middle of the court. We really missed Hunt at that point - Hunt was quicker to at spinning out of the double-team and pushing the ball up the court. Ethan finally split the double-team at the end to get to the line. Loyala-Chicago doesn't have the length/athletes to do the same, we can go over the top of them, so I don't expect they can do that to us. I expect them to do what they do, force efficient offense. I think they actually wished for OKState, as a team needing turnovers and getting some flow is what they are dynamite against. I really like that we have 5-6 guys with very different physiques that we can throw at their crafty big, along with our switching defenses. This will be a really chess match. I like that Tinkle has the better part of a week to put the game plan together. This is his strength. |
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Post by irimi on Mar 22, 2021 9:04:36 GMT -8
In general, I agree with your assessment. I watched most of the Loyola/Illinois game. I'm not sure the press is what we need to worry about coming from Loyola. They seem to want to play sound half court D and slow the game down. We have more/better athletes than they do. The two teams seem to be pretty similar...or mirror images...of each other. Slow the game down, don't press, play sound defense, work inside-out on the O end of the floor. Should be a good close game. I think it will come down to shooting. Whichever team is lights out...or has the proverbial "off" night. How’s Loyola’s 3 point game? OK St. surprised me at how off theirs was. |
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 22, 2021 9:38:57 GMT -8
In general, I agree with your assessment. I watched most of the Loyola/Illinois game. I'm not sure the press is what we need to worry about coming from Loyola. They seem to want to play sound half court D and slow the game down. We have more/better athletes than they do. The two teams seem to be pretty similar...or mirror images...of each other. Slow the game down, don't press, play sound defense, work inside-out on the O end of the floor. Should be a good close game. I think it will come down to shooting. Whichever team is lights out...or has the proverbial "off" night. How’s Loyola’s 3 point game? OK St. surprised me at how off theirs was. It's as good or as bad as we make it  They are an efficient scoring team in general though |
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 22, 2021 15:24:03 GMT -8
Loyola is efficient both offensively and defensively. The thing that jumped out at me in Illinois game was they had a plan on both ends of the court and executed it beautifully — and Illinois never adapted. I wouldn’t worry much about loyola pressing, but they will have a plan in the half court, and Beavs will likely need to make adjustments. On offense, Loyola likes to run things through the center, and he can score and pass.
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 22, 2021 16:18:06 GMT -8
Osu is the best in the PAC in three point field goal percent defense. The question is? Do you want to speed up the tempo by taking advantage against teams on a 2 on 1 fast break against teams who want to speed up the game? I know the coach at Oklahoma st wanted a faster tempo and was willing to give up hoops to speed us up.
I agree...inbounding the ball in the corner just invites a trap. We have to be strong with the ball. I do like other teams pressing us when we have a lead,because it makes them more aggressive leading to fouls and free throws. We are and we're deadly against OK st making our first 18 or so and 31-34 for the full game. Yes...we work on press break constantly.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 23, 2021 15:24:23 GMT -8
In general, I agree with your assessment. I watched most of the Loyola/Illinois game. I'm not sure the press is what we need to worry about coming from Loyola. They seem to want to play sound half court D and slow the game down. We have more/better athletes than they do. The two teams seem to be pretty similar...or mirror images...of each other. Slow the game down, don't press, play sound defense, work inside-out on the O end of the floor. Should be a good close game. I think it will come down to shooting. Whichever team is lights out...or has the proverbial "off" night. How’s Loyola’s 3 point game? OK St. surprised me at how off theirs was. Strength on strength. Oregon State is 24th nationally in 3-point percentage defense at 30.1%. Loyola-Chicago is 43rd in 3-point percentage at 37.05%. That would rank fifth in the Pac-12 between Arizona and USC. On the other side of the ball: Oregon State is 91st nationally in 3-point percentage at 35.55%. Loyola-Chicago is 101st nationally in 3-point percentage defense at 32.4%. That would rank third in the Pac-12 between Washington State and Colorado. Adjusted Field Goal Percentage of the Sweet Sixteen teams (Tournament games only): 1. Syracuse
2. Oregon
3. Gonzaga
4. USC
5. Villanova
6. Michigan
7. Alabama
8. Loyola-Chicago
9. Florida State
10. UCLA
11. Oregon State
12. Creighton
13. Baylor
14. Houston
15. Oral Roberts
16. Arkansas
Slowest tempo teams in the Sweet Sixteen:
1. Loyola-Chicago
2. UCLA
3. Villanova
4. Houston
5. Oregon State
6. Michigan
7. USC
8. Oregon
9. Baylor
10. Syracuse
11. Creighton
12. Florida State
13. Oral Roberts
14. Arkansas
15. Alabama
16. Gonzaga
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They are an efficient scoring team in general though