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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 15, 2021 15:15:18 GMT -8
Was anyone else going crazy with Wayne Tinkle calling a timeout with 2.2 seconds left? We got the ball in cleanly to Lucas. Instead, Tinkle called a timeout to draw up an overly-elaborate play to get the ball to Ethan via Silva and wound up with Silva on the line, instead of Lucas and with more time left on the clock than we would have otherwise. I thought that that was a great example of Tinkle trying to over-coach. This team is good enough to trust 'em to get the ball to the right person in that situation. If Oregon State cannot get the ball in on a three- or a four-count, call a timeout to set up the play.
Maybe just me. Don't know. Otherwise, I thought that Tinkle coached about as good of a game as you could hope for, especially with Thompson riding pine for such a long time in foul trouble.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 15, 2021 15:19:00 GMT -8
Was anyone else going crazy with Wayne Tinkle calling a timeout with 2.2 seconds left? We got the ball in cleanly to Lucas. Instead, Tinkle called a timeout to draw up an overly-elaborate play to get the ball to Ethan via Silva and wound up with Silva on the line, instead of Lucas and with more time left on the clock than we would have otherwise. I thought that that was a great example of Tinkle trying to over-coach. This team is good enough to trust 'em to get the ball to the right person in that situation. If Oregon State cannot get the ball in on a three- or a four-count, call a timeout to set up the play. Maybe just me. Don't know. Otherwise, I thought that Tinkle coached about as good of a game as you could hope for, especially with Thompson riding pine for such a long time in foul trouble. I was more upset with what Silva did at the line. I would have rather had him miss the 2nd free throw on purpose. Instead, he makes it and allows them to set something up off of the inbounds. If he misses, by the time they get the rebound, they just have to chuck it full court. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 15, 2021 16:40:51 GMT -8
You want to make sure your team knows what do do. I get that. He also subbed in Gianni for Warith at that TO; Gianni is an .842 FT shooter, Warith a .540 shooter. So it's a good move.
After Silva's miss he subbed Warith back in for Lucas. A better rebounder on the blocks, if we had decided to contest the rebound of shot #2, and he's longer and a much better defender if Colorado had tried to throw the ball into frontcourt. Another good move.
The down side of the TO is, it essentially gave a 5th TO to Colorado, which had none remaining, and a chance to set up its defense. And I always like to have a TO in my pocket to prevent a 5-count.
Fortunately, it's a moot (not mute) point.
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 15, 2021 16:41:37 GMT -8
Great late foul by Gianni on Wright...I too would have missed the second foul shot if I was Silva.
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Post by collegiate on Mar 15, 2021 17:19:10 GMT -8
First off, props to Tinkle for the remarkably tough squad he forged and getting into the big dance! It makes this thread much more basketball-academic and much less emotional.
I, too, cringed at the TO. And I bet Tinkle did also when he saw that we’d gotten it in to Lucas. The biggest possible disaster at that point was a 5 count, giving them the ball under the basket when a 2 would win it.
If he hadn’t called it, Lucas gets fouled and, presumably, makes the first free throw. You can then choose to just let him shoot the next one to put us up three. Since they were in front of our bench in a mostly empty arena, there would be no need to call a time-out to emphasize NO FOUL... especially in the case of a miss... don’t want to get a tickey tack foul on the rebound (not that THAT ever happened to us in this tournament at a key moment!).
Go Beavers!!!
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Post by atownbeaver on Mar 15, 2021 17:19:22 GMT -8
Was anyone else going crazy with Wayne Tinkle calling a timeout with 2.2 seconds left? We got the ball in cleanly to Lucas. Instead, Tinkle called a timeout to draw up an overly-elaborate play to get the ball to Ethan via Silva and wound up with Silva on the line, instead of Lucas and with more time left on the clock than we would have otherwise. I thought that that was a great example of Tinkle trying to over-coach. This team is good enough to trust 'em to get the ball to the right person in that situation. If Oregon State cannot get the ball in on a three- or a four-count, call a timeout to set up the play. Maybe just me. Don't know. Otherwise, I thought that Tinkle coached about as good of a game as you could hope for, especially with Thompson riding pine for such a long time in foul trouble. I was more upset with what Silva did at the line. I would have rather had him miss the 2nd free throw on purpose. Instead, he makes it and allows them to set something up off of the inbounds. If he misses, by the time they get the rebound, they just have to chuck it full court. Correct me if I am wrong, I can't remember if CU had a timeout left or not. But clock doesn't run until ball is touched. A clean grab by CU, an immediate TO and they have the ball half court with 2 seconds to set up a much cleaner shot... no? I can't remember the particulars of the circumstances though so I could be wrong |
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Post by jefframp on Mar 15, 2021 17:25:32 GMT -8
I was more upset with what Silva did at the line. I would have rather had him miss the 2nd free throw on purpose. Instead, he makes it and allows them to set something up off of the inbounds. If he misses, by the time they get the rebound, they just have to chuck it full court. Correct me if I am wrong, I can't remember if CU had a timeout left or not. But clock doesn't run until ball is touched. A clean grab by CU, an immediate TO and they have the ball half court with 2 seconds to set up a much cleaner shot... no? I can't remember the particulars of the circumstances though so I could be wrong CU had no timeouts remaining. See Skrimshander above. And below. lol |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 15, 2021 17:25:36 GMT -8
I was more upset with what Silva did at the line. I would have rather had him miss the 2nd free throw on purpose. Instead, he makes it and allows them to set something up off of the inbounds. If he misses, by the time they get the rebound, they just have to chuck it full court. Correct me if I am wrong, I can't remember if CU had a timeout left or not. But clock doesn't run until ball is touched. A clean grab by CU, an immediate TO and they have the ball half court with 2 seconds to set up a much cleaner shot... no? I can't remember the particulars of the circumstances though so I could be wrong CU had no timeouts. |
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Post by beaverboilermaker on Mar 15, 2021 17:36:45 GMT -8
First off, props to Tinkle for the remarkably tough squad he forged and getting into the big dance! It makes this thread much more basketball-academic and much less emotional. I, too, cringed at the TO. And I bet Tinkle did also when he saw that we’d gotten it in to Lucas. The biggest possible disaster at that point was a 5 count, giving them the ball under the basket when a 2 would win it. If he hadn’t called it, Lucas gets fouled and, presumably, makes the first free throw. You can then choose to just let him shoot the next one to put us up three. Since they were in front of our bench in a mostly empty arena, there would be no need to call a time-out to emphasize NO FOUL... especially in the case of a miss... don’t want to get a tickey tack foul on the rebound (not that THAT ever happened to us in this tournament at a key moment!). Go Beavers!!! I immediately started yelling at my TV about the stupidity of that timeout. The defense was not set, the ball was quickly and easily passed inbounds to OSU's best free throw shooter, which would burn a second or so and guaranteed to move the ball to the other end with under 2 seconds. Keeping the last TO in the pocket just in case you cannot get it in after about 3 seconds would have saved a lot of stress. Give yourself 2 chances to inbound the ball to close out the game instead of just 1. |
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Post by seastape on Mar 15, 2021 17:52:49 GMT -8
Hated that timeout, especially as Lucas had just caught the ball. It made me wonder if a no time-out is better in that situation as Colorado had no chance to set up for the inbounds pass. Complained about it to my wife, who doesn't give two bits about basketball. But she sympathetically shook her head and told me she was sorry. I had already put her through the ringer on that game; I never felt comfortable until about five seconds after the final horn sounded.
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Post by beaverdreams on Mar 15, 2021 17:53:06 GMT -8
Yep...I was questioning that myself....but I tend to think well, Tinkle knows what he's doing....but it gnawed at me for sure. Seems like he let's that go, and we don't stress so much at the end with a three point shot getting off at the end. But like someone else said, why wasn't Silva coached to miss second free throw? Meh....it's all water under the bridge, but since it was asked...yeah, it bothered me at the time.
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