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Post by eugenedave on May 16, 2016 21:20:33 GMT -8
According to BoydsWorld.com, it was back in 2003. In 2008 we finished the season with an RPI of 55, and were denied joining the Field of 64. And yes, maybe it was because we only had 28 wins that year. Two years ago we were the number #1 National Seed, and the year before that we were the #3 National Seed.
This type of fall from grace is not unheard of, but it hasn't happened in over a decade. I think that's what is making this season so tough to take for many of us. We have been spoiled by outstanding teams year after year. I have no doubt that Pat Casey & Co. will reload and come out with guns blazing in 2017.
In the meanwhile, we have one more home stand left. I intend to sit back, take in the experience along with the great fans and friends that sit in my area, and enjoy watching the boys play for us. Come early on Senior Day, Travis Eckert will be the lone player honored.
GO BEAVS!
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Post by rilesinnewberg on May 18, 2016 9:37:14 GMT -8
That will probably be the last home game for Trevor and Logan also.
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Post by abureid on May 18, 2016 12:29:59 GMT -8
Casey strikes me as a guy who doesn't take losing well. There will be fire alright... if not in their bellies then on their asses
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Post by baseba1111 on May 18, 2016 12:43:13 GMT -8
Casey strikes me as a guy who doesn't take losing well. There will be fire alright... if not in their bellies then on their asses I'll agree with most of that... however, if at this point in your career you need someone to light you "on fire" to compete you best just find a new team or concentrate on school. These players are at one of the elite baseball schools around. If they are not more prideful and intrinsically motivated then more of a "prescribed burn" is needed to purge the clubhouse before real long term damage is done. I'm in the minority, but there needs to be a long hard look at the staffing also. For all those that thought MR was overly loyal in the face of diminished returns, I say much the same about this program. The top dog has not lost a step in what he wants out of his program. I think it's time for some fresh "voices" and coaching on the individual postions level... and, I'll say it... ESPECIALLY the development of the pitching staff. |
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Post by eugenedave on May 18, 2016 20:26:30 GMT -8
I strongly disagree on the pitching staff issue. "Late Nate" is one of the most widely respected college pitching coaches. I have heard nothing but praise for him from the likes of Matt Boyd and Andrew Moore. Nate hasn't lost his stuff. He has been decimated by injuries and guys who were expected to be 100% after healing up, that weren't yet ready to go. Every year we have a few guys who don't pan out. That's to be expected. It's a quantum leap from high school to the Pac-12. Some make it, some don't. The loss of Rasmussen was huge. Our staff wasn't deep enough to make up for it. Pointing the finger at Nate is easy, but it's also wrong.
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Post by eugenedave on May 18, 2016 20:30:57 GMT -8
Casey strikes me as a guy who doesn't take losing well. There will be fire alright... if not in their bellies then on their asses He most certainly does not take losing well. But show me one competitive person who does. I absolutely hated it when I played, and I was an average player, at best. The ball is in the player's court. They have to decide if they are going to run with it. |
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Post by baseba1111 on May 18, 2016 22:14:40 GMT -8
I strongly disagree on the pitching staff issue. "Late Nate" is one of the most widely respected college pitching coaches. I have heard nothing but praise for him from the likes of Matt Boyd and Andrew Moore. Nate hasn't lost his stuff. He has been decimated by injuries and guys who were expected to be 100% after healing up, that weren't yet ready to go. Every year we have a few guys who don't pan out. That's to be expected. It's a quantum leap from high school to the Pac-12. Some make it, some don't. The loss of Rasmussen was huge. Our staff wasn't deep enough to make up for it. Pointing the finger at Nate is easy, but it's also wrong. I'm not going to argue points that are opinion on whether guys "like" him. But, it's fairly obvious I'm not talking this year or injuries. Nate is not as highly respected as you might think. You might ask yourself what jobs has Nate been rumored in line for? Has turned some big time job down? That's not opinion. Second, I do speak to former players, scouts, and other coaches it was part of my profession for over 30 years. Matt learned more about pitching in one stint in the minors than he did under Nate. Be a fan, but even from that perspective it is pretty easy to see that our pitching as a staff and its development have gone steadily downhill. Without be laboring a point that you and others find unpopular and will argue... we have less and less quality "pitchers" that can contribute. Is it poor recruiting? Poor development? Because that "jump" you describe is about recruiting and development. Some won't cut it. But, for an elite program we're trending the wrong way and it has nothing to do with losing this year and "pointing fingers". We've sustained major setbacks/injuries before and had other quality arms hold the fort. But, you see that's your job as a pitching coach, to build a STAFF. Not hope 3 guys make through a 56+ game season. We played a weak ass NC schedule that provided ample opportunity to get guys more innings. What did 18-3 or whatever get us? We have at least three guys with terrible balance points and arm mechanics. We have had almost no development of pitchers that are able to throw multiple quality pitches in any count. Hell, we've had trouble throwing one pitch for a strike. On top of that other than practice, 50% of said staff got little or no game experience. So now we're in the same exact boat next year. Except now your ace is coming off injury. Coaching is result driven, not reasoned excuses. As a fan do your Google search, look up the stats, compare to past teams/other teams, toss out your data... all you really have to do is watch. See how many of our pitchers have faded to black. Check to see how many leave the program considerably better than when they entered. Then take a look at how many last at the next level where flaws are exposed and either they or you are "eliminated". And please, bring up Andrew as one of your examples of success. Because Andrew came into the program with rock solid mechanics and kept them. Without a major league arm he'll last longer because of his mechanics and ability to throw strikes with multiple pitches. Something Matt for example, should have left OSU with. And, to clarify I never said Nate should be fired, that's a call PC makes. But, pointing fingers... yep he should be... in the mirror, squarely at himself. And, then get your work on making changes, cuz if your standing pat your not improving. |
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Post by nabeav on May 19, 2016 7:29:10 GMT -8
I don't think this can all be on Yeskie. Riding a few arms all season has been a staple of Oregon State baseball for the last 20 years. I don't know how I could ever prove this, but I distinctly remember a game vs. USC in 2001 or so where Stephen Copeland was running on fumes for like three innings vs. Mark Prior and we ended up losing 1-0 in extras. It was obvious to everyone sitting around me that Copeland was spent, but he kept coming back out and escaping jams...until he didn't. It's always been my one criticism of Casey's time at OSU. Some guys on the staff have one or two bad innings, and that's it for them for the season.
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Post by beaverbeliever on May 20, 2016 21:55:37 GMT -8
Yeah, that Yeskie guy - don't know why anyone would think he's any good. It's not like he won the 2013 National Pitching Coach of the Year award or anything.
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Post by baseba1111 on May 20, 2016 22:14:21 GMT -8
Yeah, that Yeskie guy - don't know why anyone would think he's any good. It's not like he won the 2013 National Pitching Coach of the Year award or anything. LMAO... because we all know coaching awards mean your the best coach. Never political. Never just "next guy up" from a prominent program. Never anything to do with ability to draw more talent to a name school. Let me burst your bubble. Although at the HS level, at the All-State meetings EVERY year I was involved I just shook my head... "What about the COY just be who ever wins the championship?". Cuz, we know the poor schmucks who coaches "out in the sticks" HS has no coaching ability and state championships are all coaching! Yep that award cements it. Just a figment our pitching staff has gradually dropped off to where it is now. |
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