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Post by ostate on May 14, 2016 16:56:53 GMT -8
We were predicted to win the P12 this year..pretty obvious it won't happen and the team isn't anywhere as good as predicted..so what is missing? Leadership (players)? Coaching? Experience? Health? Trust in each other? I guess a bit of each. I would have hoped that coaching and leadership could have made up for some of the other factors. Drew is the missing ingredient... literally, he's missing...
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Post by northvalleybeaver on May 14, 2016 17:10:04 GMT -8
I had an uncle in Klamath Falls who coached Babe Ruth for 20+ years. His oldest son eventually assisted him. I talked with him and shared my ideas on what I saw compared to my 11 years of coaching baseball. By the way his son thinks the world of coach Casey. He said this years team was candy asses. I said I think I know what you mean, mental toughness. He said exactly, there is little fight in many of the players. They don't face every pitch with fierceness and toughness of I may get out but it will be the toughest out you will get tonight. He said that attitude is what carried our two championship teams to their titles. Fighting every pitch of every inning of every game, and fighting to never let their team mates down.
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Post by jdogge on May 14, 2016 23:03:22 GMT -8
We were predicted to win the P12 this year..pretty obvious it won't happen and the team isn't anywhere as good as predicted..so what is missing? Leadership (players)? Coaching? Experience? Health? Trust in each other? I guess a bit of each. I would have hoped that coaching and leadership could have made up for some of the other factors. Tweedt, Rasmussen being injured; Martinek and Hickey being not back completely. Add a load of immaturity -- they don't seem to be able to battle against adversity very well. Heimlich tonight was a case in point. When things were going his way, he was lights out. Something went wrong and he was his own worst enemy.
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Post by eugenedave on May 14, 2016 23:48:40 GMT -8
I had an uncle in Klamath Falls who coached Babe Ruth for 20+ years. His oldest son eventually assisted him. I talked with him and shared my ideas on what I saw compared to my 11 years of coaching baseball. By the way his son thinks the world of coach Casey. He said this years team was candy asses. I said I think I know what you mean, mental toughness. He said exactly, there is little fight in many of the players. They don't face every pitch with fierceness and toughness of I may get out but it will be the toughest out you will get tonight. He said that attitude is what carried our two championship teams to their titles. Fighting every pitch of every inning of every game, and fighting to never let their team mates down. Candy assses, really? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) One thing Coach Casey is great at is being an excellent judge of character. Do you think for one minute he would bring in guys who were candy asses? There are lot of issues with the team this year, but this is not one of them.
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Post by beavheart on May 14, 2016 23:57:55 GMT -8
Fehmel. I would rally around this kid. Had the espin guys waxing about David Berg or something. I though he carried a little of the Gundy mojo with him tonight. 5 Ks in 8 or 9 AB. Dam son! Like the hair cut too. All biz. Closer material. 4th starter in post season. Done and done.
I thought I saw some of the fire that several are questioning in tonight's performance. Still time to get the ship steering the right direction. More of that is what the Dr ordered. Still a mystery to me what's up with Madrigal, but maybe losing an everyday starter for a while will help the guys circle the wagons.
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Post by touchdownbeavers on May 15, 2016 2:49:16 GMT -8
I had an uncle in Klamath Falls who coached Babe Ruth for 20+ years. His oldest son eventually assisted him. I talked with him and shared my ideas on what I saw compared to my 11 years of coaching baseball. By the way his son thinks the world of coach Casey. He said this years team was candy asses. I said I think I know what you mean, mental toughness. He said exactly, there is little fight in many of the players. They don't face every pitch with fierceness and toughness of I may get out but it will be the toughest out you will get tonight. He said that attitude is what carried our two championship teams to their titles. Fighting every pitch of every inning of every game, and fighting to never let their team mates down. I had an uncle in Klamath Falls who coached Babe Ruth for 20+ years. WOW!!!!. Your uncle must be at least 140 years old! Even Mike Keck wouldn't even be 70 yet. I don't know what candy ass even means, but it is a good colorful phrase. I also don't know what all this 'leadership' stuff means. I hear and read all the time that coaches want a 'leader' to emerge on a team. I know coaches of any sport want a vocal player or two who lives and breathes 'the team', but what does that exactly mean? Does it mean a player can wave off a bunt sign, or a player who ignores a 'take' sign on a 3-0 pitch? Was the NY Yankee dugout an example of player leadership when Billy Martin and Reggie Jackson were going at it on national television? To quote a phrase from 'Remember the Titans', "leadership begins at the top." I listen to Pat Casey enough to know he likes the talent on this particular Beaver team but he also recognizes they are young. Two years ago I thought a Madrigal was some sort of singer. This team has one senior and about 7 juniors on the roster, and the freshman class out number the sophomores (if you count the redshirts- and i do.)
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Post by TonySoprano on May 15, 2016 9:00:24 GMT -8
Perhaps I'm oversimplifying, but these guys don't seem to be having any FUN and, for whatever reason, total lack of BELIEF.
I'll never forget Darwin giving Coach Casey what looked like a wet willy in the dugout during the second game against UNC in 2007. Why? Because Case was apparently too serious for Darwin.
That's what these guys are missing to me...fun, confidence and belief in their ability.
The prestige and expectations of Beaver Baseball appears to be weighing heavy.
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Post by abureid on May 15, 2016 9:25:50 GMT -8
Perhaps I'm oversimplifying, but these guys don't seem to be having any FUN and, for whatever reason, total lack of BELIEF. I'll never forget Darwin giving Coach Casey what looked like a wet willy in the dugout during the second game against UNC in 2007. Why? Because Case was apparently too serious for Darwin. That's what these guys are missing to me...fun, confidence and belief in their ability. The prestige and expectations of Beaver Baseball appears to be weighing heavy. You are definitely not oversimplifying. Baseball is a game played by young kids... it should be fun. In my experience, if you are not having fun you will not play well.
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Post by usmc1958 on May 15, 2016 10:44:08 GMT -8
Also, maybe you're just not as good as yourself, the coach and the fans thought or hoped you would be. But, talent and attitude are usually the main ingredients. In MLB at this time Harper is one of the best. He is also at times a real ice hole. But, he doesn't just want to be the best, he wants to kick your tail while proving he's the best. Remember Matt Moore the QB? He had that attitude too. Matt thought he was the best and he wanted to prove it. If you have talent and attitude you will probably do okay. (hand/eye coordination and bat speed helps too)
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Post by rilesinnewberg on May 15, 2016 16:56:41 GMT -8
You know I don't know Trevor Morrison, nor have I played him on TV, but his facial expressions and body language seem to play out your thesis Tony. He just looks miserable on the field, and I feel so bad for him. Baseball is a game, and games are supposed to be fun. I know I always tried to lift my guys up in a time like that. Maybe Pat needs to give TMo a wet willy.
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Post by badwack on May 17, 2016 3:39:19 GMT -8
1. Pitching gets a C- and only average in the PAC-12 Every game is an adventure. No Ace! 2. BP is D- Every game unknown 3. Outfield most of the year gets a C. Very average or less. 4. Infield C+ 5. Catching gets a A 6. Hitting gets C+ Gets a D- with runners on.
Attitude and Killer Instinct = F
Losing to the Ducks is just unacceptable!
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Post by thewizard on May 17, 2016 6:17:32 GMT -8
This team has not jelled at all and they lack HEART. They don't know how to forget about something and just forward to the next pitch. Personally, I feel that TMo's attitude is the worse. I feel that he is just worrying about himself and his draft status. Great individual player, but I don't see him as a team player. How well did the team play late last year when he was hurt? The players seemed less tense on the field. Opinions are like a-holes, everybody has one and this is mine. Hate me if you want. Go Beavs!
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Post by badwack on May 17, 2016 7:24:30 GMT -8
Just a thought but it seems to me there is some kind of internal problem. My guess it has something to do with the young talent playing over older guys. Pitching really has been mediocre at best. When they get in trouble they seem to get worse. For the life of me I still don't understand a guy like Jake who has great velocity and a wicked curve just can't get people out. The kid has ML talent!
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Post by Tigardbeav on May 17, 2016 9:03:02 GMT -8
Losing to the Ducks is just unacceptable! I think I heard this last weekend was the nikes first Pac 12 series win. Not sure how that is possible if they are at .500 or 1 game over in Pac 12 play. I should probably research that. Which would require going to a duck site. I'll pass
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Post by ochobeavo on May 17, 2016 9:22:32 GMT -8
Losing to the Ducks is just unacceptable! I think I heard this last weekend was the nikes first Pac 12 series win. Not sure how that is possible if they are at .500 or 1 game over in Pac 12 play. I should probably research that. Which would require going to a duck site. I'll pass I believe it's their first P12 series win over US since reinstating baseball. (salt, meet wound). They've won a few conference series this year (USC, Cal, WSU). Edit* I stand corrected, I think they took 2 of 3 against us last year. But I thought I heard the ESPNU guys say that this would have been their first series win against us. But then again, alcohol impairs and that series drove me to drink. #MargeI'llBeDownAtMoes
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