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Post by spudbeaver on May 13, 2016 18:54:19 GMT -8
Remember the Alamo? Ha ha! Great one!
Lead off man getting on? Ng
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Post by spudbeaver on May 13, 2016 18:59:35 GMT -8
It's official. We suck!
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Post by shalombeaver on May 13, 2016 20:18:21 GMT -8
With Grenier's batting numbers being so low for so long, why is he still playing? Granted, I don't know that much about baseball but it seems a bit odd to me.
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Post by spudbeaver on May 13, 2016 21:07:42 GMT -8
Here you go! Pinch hitter Taylor.
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Post by spudbeaver on May 13, 2016 21:09:24 GMT -8
No difference.
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rafer
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Post by rafer on May 13, 2016 21:34:08 GMT -8
This season is about over now, terrible game again, can't watch it anymore, we suck!! I guess we get to BBQ early this year, no way on earth we are should be in playoffs now. Maybe we can find some players next year, feels like this group is done for this year. PC is going to have to raise this team up next year, the shine is off now, gotta earn it all over again. Saddens me to watch this team implode and become irrelevant, just an awful feeling.
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rafer
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Post by rafer on May 13, 2016 21:41:02 GMT -8
Amazing, 8th inning and virtually no one left in the stands, they have ALL given up on this team.
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Post by eugenedave on May 13, 2016 22:58:28 GMT -8
Amazing, 8th inning and virtually no one left in the stands, they have ALL given up on this team. I lefty early because I had no rain gear and got soaked in the downpour. Plus my signs were getting wet and I didn't want them ruined. I haven't given up on them, but they are hard to watch right now. First time in five years they have lost five in a row. We are in free fall, going from ranked #3 to being on the bubble and about to fall off the ends of the Earth. Come on guys, forget about tonight and deliver a W on Saturday! |
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Post by abureid on May 14, 2016 9:43:31 GMT -8
I for one remain optimistic.
This is a very talented team. We have the talent to make it to the CWS, or to go 2 & Q as a regional 4 seed.
We just need to play up to our level, get a few bounces, and the ship will right itself.
Did I mention I am optimistic.
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Post by baseba1111 on May 14, 2016 13:03:05 GMT -8
I for one remain optimistic. This is a very talented team. We have the talent to make it to the CWS, or to go 2 & Q as a regional 4 seed. We just need to play up to our level, get a few bounces, and the ship will right itself. Did I mention I am optimistic. And... I'm not being negative... I'm a supporter of the program even when Jack was running it and stubbornly over looking a plethora of Oregon talent. Down years happen. They only happen when you are an elite program. It stings, but is not the end of the world. PC will fix it before he hangs it up. BUT... I'll disagree with the key component of your statement and that of many on here on which they based their enthusiasm and high expectations... we are not that talented. Granted, the entirety of this team's "issues" is not just talent, but "potential/expected talent level" based on hype is not talent. Talent is often a word that is so misused. Talent is what actually happens in the "line of fire" (apologies to Vets that may construe that as inappropriate). I'll let others argue against this all they'd like, but the facts are very apparent. Not just the record, as that can be somewhat controlled by the level of play of your opponents. Which by the way, may be the weakest Pac12 over all in quite some time!? But, look at THE PLAY. Not only are there numerous mistakes in every facet of the game... lack of execution in the bunt/run game; lackadaisical approach/poor fielding technique; inability to throw multiple pitches for strikes in any count; and lack of carry over from practice to game; to name a few. Since we are not part of the inner circle we can only speculate about the attitude and 'buy in' as commented on by players and coaches. There is a total and utter break down in what has made this program successful. The "bedrock" of PC's beliefs are to out execute, hustle, and desire to play the game more than any opponent. That is not this team. Position by position we have some good to above average players... some based solely on potential. But, if you look at talent (again my definition), and the performances that have actually occurred on the playing field, we do not have a top caliber player at ANY position right now except catcher. (ok... here come the KJ lovers!! But, before you do check out his Pac 12 only BA, K/BB ratio). My expectations have never changed... hopefully get into the field of 64 to get some experience... PERIOD. Unless we win 6/7 of the last 8 I'm not sure even that is possible. However, it will also depend on how other teams finish. Down year... I think their might be 'addition by subtraction' head this way. We also need to grab at least (2) top notch JC/transfer arms that can start the weekend. |
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Post by beavaristotle on May 14, 2016 13:37:11 GMT -8
well said B1111, the talent, potential , actual results aspect of this team is troubling. at some point the results over a long period of time (a.k.a. a season)out weigh the potential and makes you question the "talent". I saw the pre season games in Arizona and the teams we played were not good, I think we ran up our record and gave a false sense of how good this team was. before the games I go down both teams lineups and compare position by position which team has the advantage. taking into consideration hitting, defense and pitching, catcher is the only spot where we have a decided advantage every game. we are often equal at most positions which would give us to win except for all the fielding errors, base running mistakes, lack of execution and walks by our pitchers. all problems that are fixable and maybe has most to do with approach and attitude than talent. our margin for error is razor thin. most disturbing was Andy Jenkins's comment before the U of P game that some players have not bought in or on the same page. that problem will over ride talent and potential and is a team killer.
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Post by hof99 on May 14, 2016 14:29:04 GMT -8
Everyone has injuries - but our pitching staff -
Starters and relievers has been wiped out.
Who can fill in for Rasmussen ? No - one. Hickey a one
year wonder or still not back to form.
The rest of the staff starts out fine, then,after 3-4
Innings, they can't find the plate. Then to the bullpen, and we are hitting batters, walking batters, can't field bunts . Is
It youth ?
Then the hitting is everyone trying to square something up instead of going up the middle or opposite field.
Everything that could go wrong with a team is hitting us like a perfect storm.
C'mon guys, let's get back to Casey ball.
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Post by abureid on May 14, 2016 14:39:53 GMT -8
I still think we are a talented team.
When it comes to determining if a kid has talent I will defer to the MLB pro scouts and PC. I think they have a better grip on it than I and they all believe we have a talented club.
Sometimes though... talented players are more selfish players. Less talented, but harder working (and veteran) clubs will often beat younger so-called "talent laden" clubs. (see UCLA nearly every year). Our NC teams may not have had the top talent, but they were tough, no quit, fundamentally sound players. Right now we seem to be missing some mental toughness and some fundamentals.
We have a young team with quite a few people playing either their first year in PAC play or their first year in a new position.
Greinier is a freshman who has been a shortstop his entire life... playing 3rd I expect some growing pains here.
Donahue is a second baseman playing the outfield for the first time since little league. Any wonder he loses a ball or two in the sun/lights?
I believe Nobloch is an infielder also.
We have long relievers who are now relied upon as starting pitching
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Post by baseba1111 on May 14, 2016 15:16:42 GMT -8
I still think we are a talented team. When it comes to determining if a kid has talent I will defer to the MLB pro scouts and PC. I think they have a better grip on it than I and they all believe we have a talented club. Sometimes though... talented players are more selfish players. Less talented, but harder working (and veteran) clubs will often beat younger so-called "talent laden" clubs. (see UCLA nearly every year). Our NC teams may not have had the top talent, but they were tough, no quit, fundamentally sound players. Right now we seem to be missing some mental toughness and some fundamentals. We have a young team with quite a few people playing either their first year in PAC play or their first year in a new position. Greinier is a freshman who has been a shortstop his entire life... playing 3rd I expect some growing pains here. Donahue is a second baseman playing the outfield for the first time since little league. Any wonder he loses a ball or two in the sun/lights? I believe Nobloch is an infielder also. We have long relievers who are now relied upon as starting pitching Just the difference in the definition of "talent"... you site potential... to me it's results. My mentor passed on much, but the one thing that stood out and I based a lifetime around... parenting, coaching, teaching, mentoring, evaluating... "REASONS or RESULTS". You give reasons... talent produces results. I can go on and on, but you make my point. There are infinite examples of "gifted" people... in and out of athletics... that squander their gifts and opportunities. That is NOT talent. There are others that work extremely hard to take whatever "gifts" and opportunities to the next level and beyond. THAT... is talent. That is the exception to the rule in today's world. It used to be the expectation for all when I grew up. No matter your lot in life do your best. Do more than is asked, and do not wait to be asked!! It is what I hate about recruiting/stars... it measures nothing but potential. And if you want to see my thoughts verified in a simplistic way, look at NFL or NBA rosters... 4/5* recruits are not what makes those leagues flourish. Especially the NFL. Same goes in everyday life. PC's best teams were not highly rated in terms of "recruiting circles"... they made themselves great by buying into a system. |
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