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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 9:17:19 GMT -8
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Post by beaver12345 on May 11, 2016 20:45:37 GMT -8
I read somewhere that Tinkle wants to carry over 1 of the 2016 classes scholarships to 2017. Loseing Bruce and adding Stacy wash each other out for scholarship count to make math easy. So we have 2 open now and I believe Duv and N'diya (or however you spell it) are our only 2 seniors on Scholly unless I'm wrong. So in 2017 most everyone expects is to get little Thompson who is a guard/wing guy. That then leaves only 1 for 2017 and I guess Tinkle has said we have some good dude interested so that's why he wants more then 1 scholly to play with and that's where the carry 1 over came into play. Here is my issue if we sign Carlos and carry 1 over we have nothing left for a big man in 2016 which in my opinion is not a option. So if that's the case do you really want Carlos? Carlos is a very good player but also Tinkle knows in the back of his head he has Baby Thompson coming in 2017 to give us another wing. Position wise we will be crowded with 2s and 3s and hurting for 4s big time. With kones injury and the fact the other 2 guys in the 2016 class are 2 true point guard and a athletic 3 in Dew I think you might have to pass on Carlos to find a true 4/power forward. If kone is healthy maybe you can risk it but was his health I'm just not sure you can downs another scholly on anyone who is not a 4 or 5. Just my opinion and in no way am I doubting Carlos' skill set this is only about position of need . I'd love to hear if anyone else has any thoughts on this because I have been a little worried but no one has really mentioned in that I have seen. Heck maybe I'm crazy and am over thinking this....
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Post by beavs6 on May 12, 2016 4:54:40 GMT -8
I read somewhere that Tinkle wants to carry over 1 of the 2016 classes scholarships to 2017. Loseing Bruce and adding Stacy wash each other out for scholarship count to make math easy. So we have 2 open now and I believe Duv and N'diya (or however you spell it) are our only 2 seniors on Scholly unless I'm wrong. So in 2017 most everyone expects is to get little Thompson who is a guard/wing guy. That then leaves only 1 for 2017 and I guess Tinkle has said we have some good dude interested so that's why he wants more then 1 scholly to play with and that's where the carry 1 over came into play. Here is my issue if we sign Carlos and carry 1 over we have nothing left for a big man in 2016 which in my opinion is not a option. So if that's the case do you really want Carlos? Carlos is a very good player but also Tinkle knows in the back of his head he has Baby Thompson coming in 2017 to give us another wing. Position wise we will be crowded with 2s and 3s and hurting for 4s big time. With kones injury and the fact the other 2 guys in the 2016 class are 2 true point guard and a athletic 3 in Dew I think you might have to pass on Carlos to find a true 4/power forward. If kone is healthy maybe you can risk it but was his health I'm just not sure you can downs another scholly on anyone who is not a 4 or 5. Just my opinion and in no way am I doubting Carlos' skill set this is only about position of need . I'd love to hear if anyone else has any thoughts on this because I have been a little worried but no one has really mentioned in that I have seen. Heck maybe I'm crazy and am over thinking this.... All great points. The problem is you cannot manufacture a big. Like the saying goes...you can't coach height. If there isn't a 4 or 5 left out there in the 2016 cycle, do you take a kid you don't think can contribute but is tall, or a kid that can actually play at the level you need? Also (and I am not advocating this, but it is true) we have a lot of flexibility with scholarships with so many coach's kids on the team. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 12, 2016 5:35:41 GMT -8
Bingo on the flexibility. Tres is on scholarship isn't he? Coach Tinkle has the ace in the hole of being able to pay his way to school and opening up a scholarship any time he wants... and that's without Thompson doing the same (it would be tacky to ask an assistant to take one for the team and pay their own kid's way to school).
In theory, if the coaches wanted to pay their kid's way to school, the Beavers could have as many as 3 additional scholarships available in 2017. I am not advocating that at all, but there's room if the right big guy wants to be a Beav.
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Post by beaver12345 on May 12, 2016 12:44:25 GMT -8
I think the coach giving his own kid a scholarship is almost pointless when you look at how little they pay got their kid to go to osu. My friend played sports at osu years ago and had a patent who was a coach at the University and I remember him telling me he got Somewhere between 80 to 90 percent of tuition but that deal was only good for 1 kid per family so for example if the younger Thompson comes here they could only give 1 of the 2 kids the discount. You truly make a great punt though. I had not thought about that flexibility at all. I believe Alford Cabo at ucla pulled his son off scholarship either his Jr or Sr year so I don't believe their is anything in the rule book against it. I know some people will frown on it but I guess the way I see it is if it was a concern the NCAA would have dealt with it along time ago so I guess it's fair game and if that's that case then by all means take advantage of something you have the upper hand in.
Pretend or coaches kids were not coaches kids just for sake of argument. I totally agree with bringing Talent in and completely agree on not settling for some player that's probably not a pac 12 player (I have never seen the kid Play to be fair but I feel like we had a extra scholly and may have settled for Manuel in the 15 class). My argument isn't to go grab a bad big guy. It's more to hold it until 2017 where you have a fresh pool of talent to dig into instead of tying it down to another guard got 4 years. If we use this scholly of carlos then we only have 3 available between now up until the 2018 class. You have to pencil 1 of those 3 in for Thompson so now you got to left and honestly I think we need more then just 2 more bugs.
Lucky that scenario I said is a fantasy because the idea you guys brought up about coaches kids and scholarship flexibility has got to be Tinkles ace in the whole so it looks like we are in way better shape then I thought but I'm sure you guys understand where my concerns were about scholarship numbers prior. That's why I enjoy this board. People are polite for the most part and work together to figure out what's really going down with our beavers!
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 17:05:58 GMT -8
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Post by TheGlove on May 19, 2016 9:25:25 GMT -8
Bingo on the flexibility. Tres is on scholarship isn't he? Coach Tinkle has the ace in the hole of being able to pay his way to school and opening up a scholarship any time he wants... and that's without Thompson doing the same (it would be tacky to ask an assistant to take one for the team and pay their own kid's way to school). In theory, if the coaches wanted to pay their kid's way to school, the Beavers could have as many as 3 additional scholarships available in 2017. I am not advocating that at all, but there's room if the right big guy wants to be a Beav. That's not gonna happen in either of their cases. It just won't. Why? Seems like it could happen and has happened before. |
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Post by Quint on May 19, 2016 16:12:44 GMT -8
So...... Is no news bad news??? |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 16:24:40 GMT -8
He chose UW
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Post by Quint on May 19, 2016 16:36:50 GMT -8
Cripes! Are we done, or are there other rocks to turn over???
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Post by ochobeavo on May 20, 2016 7:27:42 GMT -8
I don't follow basketball recruiting that closely but feels like there's probably not much out there at this point unless there's a graduate transfer or international kid who could come in and be an end of rotation piece. Seems like it would be better to pocket the schollie for next season versus bringing in a project type.
Crossing fingers that JaQuori can come in and contribute right away + a healthy Kone.
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Post by Quint on May 20, 2016 7:53:57 GMT -8
If we're done for 2016/17, seems like we will be doing one of the following:
1. Playing "small ball"
2. Playing Eubanks and Big G at the same time.
3. Kone gets healthy and can play.
Interesting. Just thought we could go out and get a good JC power forward. I'm sure Tinkle has a plan!
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Post by beaverstever on May 20, 2016 12:01:50 GMT -8
If we're done for 2016/17, seems like we will be doing one of the following: 1. Playing "small ball" 2. Playing Eubanks and Big G at the same time. 3. Kone gets healthy and can play. Interesting. Just thought we could go out and get a good JC power forward. I'm sure Tinkle has a plan! If this is where we end up, it will bum me out. I'm sure that Tinkle could have landed a big (maybe still will) that was only Pac12 caliber at defense and rebounding and offensively challenged - which would still greatly help this team. I worry he was too picky and instead will land nothing. |
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