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Post by grad1973 on Dec 21, 2020 17:42:33 GMT -8
If they got some calls fairly on their own home court they would have beaten the mighty(mouse) ducks
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Post by sparty on Dec 21, 2020 17:46:13 GMT -8
If they got some calls fairly on their own home court they would have beaten the mighty(mouse) ducks Maybe they are not any good. It is all perspective I guess.
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Post by willtalk on Dec 27, 2020 5:53:56 GMT -8
In basketball often the best team does not even win. It is a game where matchups and timing play a major role. By timing I refer to either team or players on those teams having a good of bad shooting day. It also includes things such as injuries and officiating which might vary from game to game. Often even consistant officiating might favor one team over the other. If the devide between teams is too great then neither timing or match ups would make a difference. But if the teams are close enough in talent they can make all the difference.
To often fans put too much credence into a small sample. Especially in college ball where the teams do not really play that many games, those samples are often not really a good measure of a teams actual strength. One has to also look at how the results and out comes were determined. We they a result of aome out of the ordinary effort by individual player or even the team as a whole?
As I often say, No team or player is ever as good as their best game or as bad as their worst. Teams and players production varies, on a sliding scale, from game to game. It takes more than one or a few games to really get a perspective of the abilities of a team. Especially this season with so many variables at play.
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Post by grad1973 on Dec 27, 2020 16:34:50 GMT -8
I do not believe the ducks beat us because their players were any better then ours. The skeems we faced beat us. We had no answer to their zone defense for most of the game nor defended their half court offense very well, for the most part.0 We were out coached in my opinion.
We gave up easy inside shots to the ducks cuz our post did not come out to meet them.why? Fear of fouling out? Not a good reason to not play aggressive defense. They shot well outside because we won't use a man to man? Several games like that now. Our skeems we stay in make us look like we are only 5 deep. Not a good scenario going forward. We need to be deeper than that to compete.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 27, 2020 17:15:10 GMT -8
I do not believe the ducks beat us because their players were any better then ours. The skeems we faced beat us. We had no answer to their zone defense for most of the game nor defended their half court offense very well, for the most part.0 We were out coached in my opinion. We gave up easy inside shots to the ducks cuz our post did not come out to meet them.why? Fear of fouling out? Not a good reason to not play aggressive defense. They shot well outside because we won't use a man to man? Several games like that now. Our skeems we stay in make us look like we are only 5 deep. Not a good scenario going forward. We need to be deeper than that to compete. Skeems eh? We don’t play man because we don’t have the quickness to play man. Also, I don’t know what to tell you if you cant see that they have more talent.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Dec 27, 2020 19:53:35 GMT -8
I think there is a clear difference in talent. IMO Goodman, Goforth and Jones would be the only Beavers who would be playing regular minutes for Oregon.
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 27, 2020 20:25:16 GMT -8
I do not believe the ducks beat us because their players were any better then ours. The skeems we faced beat us. We had no answer to their zone defense for most of the game nor defended their half court offense very well, for the most part.0 We were out coached in my opinion. We gave up easy inside shots to the ducks cuz our post did not come out to meet them.why? Fear of fouling out? Not a good reason to not play aggressive defense. They shot well outside because we won't use a man to man? Several games like that now. Our skeems we stay in make us look like we are only 5 deep. Not a good scenario going forward. We need to be deeper than that to compete. Skeems eh? We don’t play man because we don’t have the quickness to play man. Also, I don’t know what to tell you if you cant see that they have more talent. The first half the Beav's were outscored by 21 pts playing the zone. The second half the Beav's won by a point playing man. Not sure your lack of quickness works out by the facts.
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 27, 2020 20:45:05 GMT -8
I do not believe the ducks beat us because their players were any better then ours. The skeems we faced beat us. We had no answer to their zone defense for most of the game nor defended their half court offense very well, for the most part.0 We were out coached in my opinion. We gave up easy inside shots to the ducks cuz our post did not come out to meet them.why? Fear of fouling out? Not a good reason to not play aggressive defense. They shot well outside because we won't use a man to man? Several games like that now. Our skeems we stay in make us look like we are only 5 deep. Not a good scenario going forward. We need to be deeper than that to compete. Twelve of the Beav's sixteen missed 3 pt shots were wide open (just watched the game again). They were just missing, no great defense by the Ducks. And on the Beav's only being 5 deep. OSU's bench outscored U of O's bench 26 to 16. I think it's the Ducks who need some bench help, not the Beav's. Over and over the Beav's get killed by an opposing guard having a career scoring day, mostly from 3's. Why SR won't play man to man I haven't a clue.
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Post by steinlager on Dec 27, 2020 22:11:21 GMT -8
I do not believe the ducks beat us because their players were any better then ours. The skeems we faced beat us. We had no answer to their zone defense for most of the game nor defended their half court offense very well, for the most part.0 We were out coached in my opinion. We gave up easy inside shots to the ducks cuz our post did not come out to meet them.why? Fear of fouling out? Not a good reason to not play aggressive defense. They shot well outside because we won't use a man to man? Several games like that now. Our skeems we stay in make us look like we are only 5 deep. Not a good scenario going forward. We need to be deeper than that to compete. Twelve of the Beav's sixteen missed 3 pt shots were wide open (just watched the game again). They were just missing, no great defense by the Ducks. And on the Beav's only being 5 deep. OSU's bench outscored U of O's bench 26 to 16. I think it's the Ducks who need some bench help, not the Beav's. Over and over the Beav's get killed by an opposing guard having a career scoring day, mostly from 3's. Why SR won't play man to man I haven't a clue. Rueck may be playing more zone defense to keep Goodman out of possible foul trouble, and any other starters. Backup point guard not too strong presently.
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Post by grad1973 on Dec 27, 2020 23:26:44 GMT -8
Against WSU he didn't use his bench MUCH was why I said 5 deep. The players he used were not productive he kept in there. That is particularly Taya. Where someone like Samuels could maybe scored more then Taya OR Simmons.
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Post by willtalk on Dec 28, 2020 6:29:20 GMT -8
Against WSU he didn't use his bench MUCH was why I said 5 deep. The players he used were not productive he kept in there. That is particularly Taya. Where someone like Samuels could maybe scored more then Taya OR Simmons. I think you might have a point. I don't think Scotty knows yet what he wants to do with is rotations. Her still seems to be experimenting. Just an example of my earlier post on using a small sample to evalutate teams. The Clippers beat the Lakers in their opener. The Lakers beat the Mav's by twenty leading the entire game. Playing the Clippers a few games ago the Mave's set a new NBA record by having a 50 pt half time lead. Now based on these games alone it would be difficult to decide which team was the best. But the NBA plays enough games that it soon becomes evident. This is something that does not happen in college ball. This is an example of catching teams at the right time- or as I say timing. In college they do not play as many games and most of the time, except for league they never play each other twice. In evaluating teams by outcome one has to also consider how and one team beat another team along with the circumstances to get a clear picture of actual team strength. Most college fans, however, never consider those variables. As another poster pointed out, defense often makes no difference. Often players have open shots and just miss. If a player is hot they can dictate a game. One thing I noticed and did not like about their man to man defense. It is when a defender follows their assignment around a pick rather that cutting across the player setting the pick. I understand that is what Scott teaches. Goodwin got picked off on a key basket by Washington state when she could have challenged the shot by going around the pick on the other side rather than following their assignment. Players should be taught to fight through a screen.
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Post by sparty on Dec 28, 2020 7:19:58 GMT -8
Against WSU he didn't use his bench MUCH was why I said 5 deep. The players he used were not productive he kept in there. That is particularly Taya. Where someone like Samuels could maybe scored more then Taya OR Simmons. I think you might have a point. I don't think Scotty knows yet what he wants to do with is rotations. Her still seems to be experimenting. Just an example of my earlier post on using a small sample to evalutate teams. The Clippers beat the Lakers in their opener. The Lakers beat the Mav's by twenty leading the entire game. Playing the Clippers a few games ago the Mave's set a new NBA record by having a 50 pt half time lead. Now based on these games alone it would be difficult to decide which team was the best. But the NBA plays enough games that it soon becomes evident. This is something that does not happen in college ball. This is an example of catching teams at the right time- or as I say timing. In college they do not play as many games and most of the time, except for league they never play each other twice. In evaluating teams by outcome one has to also consider how and one team beat another team along with the circumstances to get a clear picture of actual team strength. Most college fans, however, never consider those variables. As another poster pointed out, defense often makes no difference. Often players have open shots and just miss. If a player is hot they can dictate a game. One thing I noticed and did not like about their man to man defense. It is when a defender follows their assignment around a pick rather that cutting across the player setting the pick. I understand that is what Scott teaches. Goodwin got picked off on a key basket by Washington state when she could have challenged the shot by going around the pick on the other side rather than following their assignment. Players should be taught to fight through a screen. This sounds like a stock market analysis I just read. If you pick the right stocks and get hot you win big. It is like catching a stock at the right time. At the end of the day you are judged how well you do not what you did to get there. Looking at conference standings at this point pretty much tells you "about" where everyone is at. You can't convince me that if CAL played 3 games and that Stanford played 6 games this year that we still don't know who is better yet.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 28, 2020 8:35:24 GMT -8
Skeems eh? We don’t play man because we don’t have the quickness to play man. Also, I don’t know what to tell you if you cant see that they have more talent. The first half the Beav's were outscored by 21 pts playing the zone. The second half the Beav's won by a point playing man. Not sure your lack of quickness works out by the facts. Great, we just barely lost the 2nd half to their bench. That’s encouraging.
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Post by jrbeav59 on Dec 28, 2020 11:10:37 GMT -8
The first half the Beav's were outscored by 21 pts playing the zone. The second half the Beav's won by a point playing man. Not sure your lack of quickness works out by the facts. Great, we just barely lost the 2nd half to their bench. That’s encouraging. Funny, their starters played a total of 116 minutes and guess what? Our starters played 116 minutes.
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Post by billsaab on Dec 28, 2020 15:47:41 GMT -8
We are not quick and out hustled for rebounds. Does not matter if we won or lost the 2 Nd half we were 20 points behind at the end. We allowed WSU to take control in the final minutes. Seems to Me we do not have all the pieces. Our Center is not our strength. Helena has a long way to go.
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