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Post by TheGlove on Dec 11, 2020 12:00:04 GMT -8
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Dec 11, 2020 12:11:38 GMT -8
Honestly, this is probably being too generous to WT. Mike Riley had a much longer period of sustained success, and had multiple teams that were in big time bowl conversations (although never getting there), had an undefeated team over half way through the season one year, and is the all-time leader in wins in program history. While WT may be the most successful coach in the last 30 years for basketball, it does not equate him to Mike Riley. IMO a better comparison would be Ralph Miller to Mike Riley. Ralph is 2nd in wins all-time, and both lacked major post-season success. Although MR teams generally won their bowl games and Ralph's teams generally had better regular seasons.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 11, 2020 12:45:30 GMT -8
At this point, I would say that that's insulting to Mike Riley.
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Post by OSUprof on Dec 11, 2020 12:45:40 GMT -8
Tinkle has never achieved the success that Mike Riley did. It's true that Riley faltered in his last 5 years at OSU winning only 46% of his games. But part of that is on the AD for going the cheap route and not supporting the program. Tinkle had the one NCAA bid that was literally due to Payton's son but it was offset with the worst season in OSU basketball in the last 110 years.
Tinkle is who he is and this has been known to folks that know sports for a long time. The rest of the fans see guys running up and down a court and that's the limit of their basketball knowledge - if we win it's good.
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 11, 2020 14:28:52 GMT -8
LOL - Mike Riley = Ralph Miller sounds like heresy, but I agree that it seems more accurate than this take. I don't think Mike Riley ever came close to a top-ranked team though, for whatever that's worth mid-season. WT feels like OSU's equivalent of a Lorenzo Romar or Ernie Kent; able to recruit effectively relative to the associated university's program support, but only wins with players that can inherently run games themselves.
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 11, 2020 14:41:12 GMT -8
Whether you want to give credit to romar or Kent they both had success. Kent took the ducks to the tourney five times, elite eight twice. Roomar took huskies six times sweet sixteen twice.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Dec 11, 2020 14:53:00 GMT -8
LOL - Mike Riley = Ralph Miller sounds like heresy, but I agree that it seems more accurate than this take. I don't think Mike Riley ever came close to a top-ranked team though, for whatever that's worth mid-season. WT feels like OSU's equivalent of a Lorenzo Romar or Ernie Kent; able to recruit effectively relative to the associated university's program support, but only wins with players that can inherently run games themselves. I don't love the Ralph to Mike comparison either but it does make more sense than WT to MR IMO. However, in week 8 in 2012 OSU football was ranked #7 and was 6-0 going into a game against then last place and 1-5 UW. It was Mannion's first game back from knee surgery and the beavers were upset 20-17. Canzano didn't help our cause that week with his bulletin board material column calling the Huskies soft and saying they might as well not field a team because they didn't belong on the same field as OSU. I still think if we had just ridden Vaz for one more week before going back to Mannion then we win that one and are 8-0 going into the Stanford game and then who knows what happens. That season feels like one that got away.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 11, 2020 15:13:01 GMT -8
In 2005 there were 28 bowl games, and in 2010 there were 35, 2015 had 41. So in that time frame there were roughly as many teams qualifying for a bowl game as made the NCAA hoop tourney. Of course there are like 2 3/4 times as many basketball teams, so there's that. But if Tinkle got to the tourney half as many times as Riley made a bowl game, almost everybody on this board would be thrilled. I say almost, because no matter the situation, there's always someone unhappy here, usually the same 5 people! Or mathematically, at the rate of four to the seventh power I put two and two together and added 12 and carried five and come up with 22 thousand comparisons an hour. Apologies to CW McCall, oh, and most folks reading this.
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Post by osuft3 on Dec 11, 2020 15:17:56 GMT -8
All in all, downtown Pagosa Springs ain't all that bad. I know ( or used to) a good little Mexican Restaurant there.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 11, 2020 16:06:13 GMT -8
Whether you want to give credit to romar or Kent they both had success. Kent took the ducks to the tourney five times, elite eight twice. Roomar took huskies six times sweet sixteen twice. Kent tuned a mediocre Pac 12 WSU team into a bad Pac 12 team... just think of what he could do here. Romar had a mostly good run at UW. It'll be curious to see how he does at Pepperdine if he doesn't move up to a bigger name school.
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Post by irimi on Dec 11, 2020 16:34:26 GMT -8
I respect what Mike Riley did with the men. Lots of testimonials about how much he cared and what a great environment he created...like family. I don’t see that with Tinkle at all...Except that it really was family.
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 11, 2020 16:53:29 GMT -8
Whether you want to give credit to romar or Kent they both had success. Kent took the ducks to the tourney five times, elite eight twice. Roomar took huskies six times sweet sixteen twice. Kent tuned a mediocre Pac 12 WSU team into a bad Pac 12 team... just think of what he could do here. Romar had a mostly good run at UW. It'll be curious to see how he does at Pepperdine if he doesn't move up to a bigger name school. Romar didn't break 500 in his first two years at Pepperdine. He did mange to beat UCLA this year though. He put a lot of players in the NBA - for how many he had in the league, he has relatively little to show for it. He had 16 players go to the NBA over 14 years, so he often had multiple future NBA players on the roster every year. He had the first overall pick in the NBA Draft in a year they won 2 conference games. That's a GP-level talent worth a whole 2 conference wins - and finally got him fired.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 11, 2020 18:19:39 GMT -8
Kent tuned a mediocre Pac 12 WSU team into a bad Pac 12 team... just think of what he could do here. Romar had a mostly good run at UW. It'll be curious to see how he does at Pepperdine if he doesn't move up to a bigger name school. Romar didn't break 500 in his first two years at Pepperdine. He did mange to beat UCLA this year though. He put a lot of players in the NBA - for how many he had in the league, he has relatively little to show for it. He had 16 players go to the NBA over 14 years, so he often had multiple future NBA players on the roster every year. He had the first overall pick in the NBA Draft in a year they won 2 conference games. That's a GP-level talent worth a whole 2 conference wins - and finally got him fired. Plus, he had a former NBA’er turned boxer that just got his ass kicked by a you tube star. Tinkle has never produced one of those.
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Post by seastape on Dec 12, 2020 10:53:40 GMT -8
In 2005 there were 28 bowl games, and in 2010 there were 35, 2015 had 41. So in that time frame there were roughly as many teams qualifying for a bowl game as made the NCAA hoop tourney. Of course there are like 2 3/4 times as many basketball teams, so there's that. But if Tinkle got to the tourney half as many times as Riley made a bowl game, almost everybody on this board would be thrilled. I say almost, because no matter the situation, there's always someone unhappy here, usually the same 5 people! Or mathematically, at the rate of four to the seventh power I put two and two together and added 12 and carried five and come up with 22 thousand comparisons an hour. Apologies to CW McCall, oh, and most folks reading this. I like what you're saying here, but I think to get a little more apples-apples comparison between "number of bowls" and "teams in NCAA tourney," you need to bump up the basketball part to "teams in the NCAA, NIT and CBI tourneys" to get a better comparison of the percentage of teams that make the post-season in their respective sports. I still think football has a greater percentage of teams that make the post season, but on a slightly hungover Saturday morning, I don't care enough to look it up. I think Tinkle, to compare to Riley, needed to have made the NIT at 3-4 times by now and the NCAA once. Tinkle is nowhere near that. Frankly, Tinkle can't really hold Riley's jock. What really separates Riley from Tinkle is that Riley can develop winning teams despite OSU's recruiting disadvantages and Tinkle can't. I.e., Riley's teams rise above their alleged talent level and Tinkle's don't.
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