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Post by willtalk on Oct 27, 2020 22:40:51 GMT -8
There's very little you can do against a player that's 3-4 inches taller than you. All you can do is hope you get some weak side help, and try and keep them from getting the ball. Once they get it in the paint, there's not a lot you can do.  So Joanna, who was 6’8” should have averaged 30+ pts/game for us, right? Oh wait, she averaged 7. She was always the tallest player on the floor. There’s a lot more to it than height. Manure Bol agrees with me 😀 We have to consider the condiition that the poster stated. You have to work at keeping them from gettng the ball in the the spot where they can use their height. One of the problems with Joanna was the guards were not good at getting her the ball. She did not have the best of hands, but they made it more difficult for her because they were always passing up to her. The ball would usually still be elevating when it got to her and slip off her finger tips. As a poster in on another thread posted on this site both Pivec and Slocum were not good at lob passes, which come down to the player as opposed to them having to jump our in Joannas case stretch up and lose her position in the process. They had not problem getting the ball to Washington because they used bounce passes to her. They lost confidence in being able to get her the ball to Joanna. so they often would either hesitate or, not pass at all. You can not stay in the Key forever so when a player establishes position the ball has to find them quickly. I don't think they well have that same problem in getting the ball in to any of the Oregon St. Players. Especially some one who is that effective at BBQ's. You have to have good hands and a fighting spirit to succeed there. Everyone is always fighting for the drumsticks, |
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Post by beaverstever on Oct 28, 2020 10:03:42 GMT -8
So Joanna, who was 6’8” should have averaged 30+ pts/game for us, right? Oh wait, she averaged 7. She was always the tallest player on the floor. There’s a lot more to it than height. Manure Bol agrees with me 😀 We have to consider the condiition that the poster stated. You have to work at keeping them from gettng the ball in the the spot where they can use their height. One of the problems with Joanna was the guards were not good at getting her the ball. She did not have the best of hands, but they made it more difficult for her because they were always passing up to her. The ball would usually still be elevating when it got to her and slip off her finger tips. As a poster in on another thread posted on this site both Pivec and Slocum were not good at lob passes, which come down to the player as opposed to them having to jump our in Joannas case stretch up and lose her position in the process. They had not problem getting the ball to Washington because they used bounce passes to her. They lost confidence in being able to get her the ball to Joanna. so they often would either hesitate or, not pass at all. You can not stay in the Key forever so when a player establishes position the ball has to find them quickly. I don't think they well have that same problem in getting the ball in to any of the Oregon St. Players. Especially some one who is that effective at BBQ's. You have to have good hands and a fighting spirit to succeed there. Everyone is always fighting for the drumsticks, I understand what you're saying, but I don't think our guards are fully to blame for Joanna, probably not even 50% of the time. - 2 people participate in a pass, and IMO, passing TOs are often mis-attributed to the passer instead of the recipient. It's up to the post to let the passer know where to put the ball. Maddie often got low bounce passes because that's where she asked for it, based on how she was able to position/pin her defender. Grymek asked for the ball high because that's where she asked for it, and where she thought it was safest from her defender. The problem was that she needed a perfect pass - she would be learning into her defender and ask for the ball out away from her defender, and so have her center of gravity away from where her body needed to move if the ball was passed wide at all. Passes also often need to lead the recipient to a location further away from the defender to make it less likely to be intercepted (I think this is what was really the cause of Joanna's fingertip misses). Maddie could go get a ball low and in front of her, and was a low risk of her defender being able to get to a spot more quickly than she could. Joanna was not able to do that, making her consistently a much riskier target. I do not know if Mitrovic will better than Joanna at presenting a target and retrieving balls in a larger radius, but I'm pretty sure she will be closer to Joanna than Washington in terms of quickness. Jones has been effective in the post in large part due to her ability position her defender, give the guard a viable target, and retrieve the pass before the defense can jump the route. Ultimately, post players have to earn the trust from their passers that they are going to be able to retrieve a pass thrown to the target. A guard would never throw the ball to another guard with the defender right against them (unless also posting up), so it's unnatural pass to even throw and requires earning trust that it's not going to end up as a TO. |
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Post by bennyskid on Oct 28, 2020 13:52:01 GMT -8
Ultimately, post players have to earn the trust from their passers that they are going to be able to retrieve a pass thrown to the target. A guard would never throw the ball to another guard with the defender right against them (unless also posting up), so it's unnatural pass to even throw and requires earning trust that it's not going to end up as a TO.
Nope. Our ladies will pass according to the game plan. The coaches get the most detailed statistics imaginable on the opponent and they study film. From that they create a game plan. They explain the game plan to the ladies and they practice it. And on game day, they execute it. These ladies have absolute trust in the coaches and in each other.
That said . . . every play is kind of like a football read-option. If the lob isn't there for some reason, the game plan will include other options. But that decision will be based on the opponent reactions and details of positioning, not on any lack of trust.
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Post by beaverstever on Oct 28, 2020 15:56:22 GMT -8
Ultimately, post players have to earn the trust from their passers that they are going to be able to retrieve a pass thrown to the target. A guard would never throw the ball to another guard with the defender right against them (unless also posting up), so it's unnatural pass to even throw and requires earning trust that it's not going to end up as a TO.
Nope. Our ladies will pass according to the game plan. The coaches get the most detailed statistics imaginable on the opponent and they study film. From that they create a game plan. They explain the game plan to the ladies and they practice it. And on game day, they execute it. These ladies have absolute trust in the coaches and in each other.
That said . . . every play is kind of like a football read-option. If the lob isn't there for some reason, the game plan will include other options. But that decision will be based on the opponent reactions and details of positioning, not on any lack of trust.
I think I tried to say the same thing. I am sure the game plan is not to pass to the post even if the defender is going to steal it. Every pass a player makes is a run-time decision on the defense's probability of a steal. If Joanna's ability to receive a pass safely when posting a defender is a 50% likelihood of a TO, guards will not pass the ball when they view her positioning vs. her defender anything less than optimal. It doesn't matter if the game plan is to go in side all day, I am quite sure they are not instructed to pass regardless of the TO risk being high. Therein lies the trust issue - if a post proves they will go and get a 50/50 ball, guards will take a lot more risks on when they will push it inside. If they often lose those battles, they'll pass it around the perimeter until they see the post is in an optimal position to receive the pass. |
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