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Post by beavs6 on Apr 25, 2016 20:35:05 GMT -8
I think that of the major sports, "faith" does have the most to do with baseball. Whether the term is faith, voodoo, superstition, or anything else. Ever seen a team use rally caps, rally monkeys, or rally ____? Slump busters, favorite stir-ups or sacrifices to Jobu, "faith" of some sort is intimately woven into the fabric of Baseball. Not having the #1 arm has everything to do with injury. Pitching does not seem to be down from past teams, but the offense seems to be a little ahead. (No, I did not look up the stats, it just seems that way to me) With as young as this team is, I'm hoping for as long of a run as possible to gain some experience and then have a serious shot at it all next year. Baseball is a funny sport. One where the best team does not win as much as other sports. Mmmmm... not sure I would define "faith" in that way, nor do I think it was used in that fashion (original poster can weigh in on that), nor did I respond with that definition in mind. I read it as in having "faith" in the team. Fate happens in athletics, but faith in your team from a fan base has little to do with a team's success. Now, faith in your teammates/yourself as a player has an direct correspondence to successes. Baseball's idiosyncrasies seem to be more widely publicized when it comes to superstitions, but almost all athletes have their own little nuisance/belief systems on pre-game routines, meals, momentum "shifts", etc. But, again to me, "faith" is not synonymous with such things. If you get down to it being superstitious is actually "faith" in an outside force "assisting", not your team. Injury or not, we do not have a true #1. And, losing Drew, who was definitely our #1 by a wide margin in my opinion, not only caused a drop off in talent, but shifted the entire staff dynamics. I would say losing Tweedt early on started that shift, and it's very apparent our pitching stability and performance is down. You can't lose guys like Andrew, Drew, Sam and not have others come forward and "shine" and say anything different. It actually goes toward how good our program really is that we are still 26-10/8-7 when you lose what could have been your league rotation, and then have others drop off or be inconsistent. A lot of programs would love to have this be their down year! Are swine flying and is it colder in hell than PDX!? This almost sounds like a positive post. I won't be drawn into a religeous discussion...as I am and you are not. I think it is positive that you understand that this team is doing something positive with less than a full team comliment.
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Post by jimbeav on Apr 26, 2016 21:13:56 GMT -8
Am I reading this thread right?
Did somebody repeat a famous quote that Darth Vader said to Admiral Motti on the Death Star before he force choked him, and that turned into a somewhat heated discussion about the significance of faith in baseball?
That's what I'm reading, right? Just want to make sure, thanks...
8^)
GO BEAVS!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 28, 2016 13:42:40 GMT -8
I have zero evidence to back up this feeling, but it seems like the kind of year where we struggle in conference, lower fan expectations, and then route through the regionals and supers to Omaha. Hope I didn't jinx it. (If you say "hope I didn't jinx", it neutralizes a jinxing. I swear, look it up.) Totally possible. I would think winning the Pac 12 guarantees a 2 seed and then it depends on what regional you draw and how it plays out. The ONLY thing that gives me a HUGE pause in any post season success... PITCHING. Just no true #1 stud/put him on the mound you can pencil in a "W" type... pen has been inconsistent at best when a guy falters. BUT, the league is not overpowering either, so it could get real interesting. Since the creation of the Pac-12, the Pac-12 champion has always hosted and always been a national seed. That is only a four-year sample size. To expand on that, though: In 1999, the Pac-10 kicked Portland State out of the conference and got rid of the North and South Divisions. In the same year, the NCAA expanded the field from 48 to 64 and instituted the Regional/Super Regional setup, which we have today. Since 1999, i.e. each of the past 17 seasons, the Pac-10/12 champion has always hosted a Regional. In fact, in 14 out of the 17 years, the Pac-10/12 champion has received a national seed. There are only three years where the conference champion did not receive a national seed: 2002, 2006, and 2011. In 2002, Stanford earned the national seed over USC, despite the Trojans winning the conference. They met in a Super in Palo Alto and Stanford swept into the College World Series, finishing fourth. In 2006, Cal State Fullerton took the West's national seed. Oregon State won the conference and hosted. The Beavers hosted the Super Regional after Stanford upset Texas in the Austin Regional. In 2011, the entire region was down and the committee gave the top six seeds to ACC and SEC teams. Pac-10 champion, UCLA, hosted, as did runner-up, Oregon State, and third-pace, Arizona State. UCLA lost in its own regional. The Beavs and Sun Devilsescaped their Regionals, only to lose against national seeds in the Super Regionals. Sixth-place California won the Houston Regional and then hosted a Super Regional to get into the College World Series. Now, this year, the conference looks down, but the Pac-12 Champion should still host a Regional. Period. To assert that the Pac-12 champion should receive anything less is to assert that the Pac-12 is a second-rate conference, which it is not. To add to that analysis, remember that Santa Barbara may finish as a one-seed but cannot host a Regional, as their stadium does not meet the NCAA's minimum hosting standards. They have a fallback host spot at Lake Elsinore, but they cannot host there this year either. A Pac-12 team may host Santa Barbara as a two-seed.
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 28, 2016 14:24:20 GMT -8
Totally possible. I would think winning the Pac 12 guarantees a 2 seed and then it depends on what regional you draw and how it plays out. The ONLY thing that gives me a HUGE pause in any post season success... PITCHING. Just no true #1 stud/put him on the mound you can pencil in a "W" type... pen has been inconsistent at best when a guy falters. BUT, the league is not overpowering either, so it could get real interesting. Since the creation of the Pac-12, the Pac-12 champion has always hosted and always been a national seed. That is only a four-year sample size. To expand on that, though: In 1999, the Pac-10 kicked Portland State out of the conference and got rid of the North and South Divisions. In the same year, the NCAA expanded the field from 48 to 64 and instituted the Regional/Super Regional setup, which we have today. Since 1999, i.e. each of the past 17 seasons, the Pac-10/12 champion has always hosted a Regional. In fact, in 14 out of the 17 years, the Pac-10/12 champion has received a national seed. There are only three years where the conference champion did not receive a national seed: 2002, 2006, and 2011. In 2002, Stanford earned the national seed over USC, despite the Trojans winning the conference. They met in a Super in Palo Alto and Stanford swept into the College World Series, finishing fourth. In 2006, Cal State Fullerton took the West's national seed. Oregon State won the conference and hosted. The Beavers hosted the Super Regional after Stanford upset Texas in the Austin Regional. In 2011, the entire region was down and the committee gave the top six seeds to ACC and SEC teams. Pac-10 champion, UCLA, hosted, as did runner-up, Oregon State, and third-pace, Arizona State. UCLA lost in its own regional. The Beavs and Sun Devilsescaped their Regionals, only to lose against national seeds in the Super Regionals. Sixth-place California won the Houston Regional and then hosted a Super Regional to get into the College World Series. Now, this year, the conference looks down, but the Pac-12 Champion should still host a Regional. Period. To assert that the Pac-12 champion should receive anything less is to assert that the Pac-12 is a second-rate conference, which it is not. To add to that analysis, remember that Santa Barbara may finish as a one-seed but cannot host a Regional, as their stadium does not meet the NCAA's minimum hosting standards. They have a fallback host spot at Lake Elsinore, but they cannot host there this year either. A Pac-12 team may host Santa Barbara as a two-seed. As I mentioned... winning the Pac12 guarantees a #2... there is precedence you illustrate that winning does NOT guarantee hosting. It is totally possible with our remaining schedule that we could win the title over Zona lets say, by a game, and their RPI is 15-20 points higher and get they host the regional. Might we get a regional, sure... but we have along road to go to even think that with our RPI (49 vs Zona's 27 and NC SOS 243 vs 11). We do not fair well in RPI/SOS/NC SOS: Zona... 27/44/11 Cal... 39/56/119 UW... 41/27/79 OSU... 49/178/243
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 28, 2016 23:38:08 GMT -8
Since the creation of the Pac-12, the Pac-12 champion has always hosted and always been a national seed. That is only a four-year sample size. To expand on that, though: In 1999, the Pac-10 kicked Portland State out of the conference and got rid of the North and South Divisions. In the same year, the NCAA expanded the field from 48 to 64 and instituted the Regional/Super Regional setup, which we have today. Since 1999, i.e. each of the past 17 seasons, the Pac-10/12 champion has always hosted a Regional. In fact, in 14 out of the 17 years, the Pac-10/12 champion has received a national seed. There are only three years where the conference champion did not receive a national seed: 2002, 2006, and 2011. In 2002, Stanford earned the national seed over USC, despite the Trojans winning the conference. They met in a Super in Palo Alto and Stanford swept into the College World Series, finishing fourth. In 2006, Cal State Fullerton took the West's national seed. Oregon State won the conference and hosted. The Beavers hosted the Super Regional after Stanford upset Texas in the Austin Regional. In 2011, the entire region was down and the committee gave the top six seeds to ACC and SEC teams. Pac-10 champion, UCLA, hosted, as did runner-up, Oregon State, and third-pace, Arizona State. UCLA lost in its own regional. The Beavs and Sun Devilsescaped their Regionals, only to lose against national seeds in the Super Regionals. Sixth-place California won the Houston Regional and then hosted a Super Regional to get into the College World Series. Now, this year, the conference looks down, but the Pac-12 Champion should still host a Regional. Period. To assert that the Pac-12 champion should receive anything less is to assert that the Pac-12 is a second-rate conference, which it is not. To add to that analysis, remember that Santa Barbara may finish as a one-seed but cannot host a Regional, as their stadium does not meet the NCAA's minimum hosting standards. They have a fallback host spot at Lake Elsinore, but they cannot host there this year either. A Pac-12 team may host Santa Barbara as a two-seed. As I mentioned... winning the Pac12 guarantees a #2... there is precedence you illustrate that winning does NOT guarantee hosting. It is totally possible with our remaining schedule that we could win the title over Zona lets say, by a game, and their RPI is 15-20 points higher and get they host the regional. Might we get a regional, sure... but we have along road to go to even think that with our RPI (49 vs Zona's 27 and NC SOS 243 vs 11). We do not fair well in RPI/SOS/NC SOS: Zona... 27/44/11 Cal... 39/56/119 UW... 41/27/79 OSU... 49/178/243 Over the top response for emphasis: The scarecrow needed a brain, the tin man needed a heart, and the cowardly lion needed courage. When you get to the Emerald City, I really hope that the wizard has a bag filled with reading comprehension for you. Also, the word I believe that you were looking for was "fare," not "fair." For the past 19 years, the Pac-10/12 champion has hosted a Regional every single year. Under the 64-team Tournament system, the Pac-12 champion has always hosted a regional. The champion of the Conference of Champions being a two-seed would be an unprecedented slight. In 2011, UCLA won the last Pac-10 championship and hosted a regional with an RPI of 34. Moving on. As you point out, the big series coming up is the one against Arizona. If the Beavers can take two-of-three against the Wildcats, Oregon State will have the tiebreaker against the other three teams currently on top of the conference. Oregon State needs to take at least two, and preferably three, from Stanford; beat Seattle; and then win the series against Arizona. If the Beavers can do that, I feel good about Oregon State hosting. If not, the Beavers' chances are bleak. Big seven games coming up.
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 29, 2016 12:47:43 GMT -8
As I mentioned... winning the Pac12 guarantees a #2... there is precedence you illustrate that winning does NOT guarantee hosting. It is totally possible with our remaining schedule that we could win the title over Zona lets say, by a game, and their RPI is 15-20 points higher and get they host the regional. Might we get a regional, sure... but we have along road to go to even think that with our RPI (49 vs Zona's 27 and NC SOS 243 vs 11). We do not fair well in RPI/SOS/NC SOS: Zona... 27/44/11 Cal... 39/56/119 UW... 41/27/79 OSU... 49/178/243 Over the top response for emphasis: The scarecrow needed a brain, the tin man needed a heart, and the cowardly lion needed courage. When you get to the Emerald City, I really hope that the wizard has a bag filled with reading comprehension for you. Also, the word I believe that you were looking for was "fare," not "fair." For the past 19 years, the Pac-10/12 champion has hosted a Regional every single year. Under the 64-team Tournament system, the Pac-12 champion has always hosted a regional. The champion of the Conference of Champions being a two-seed would be an unprecedented slight. In 2011, UCLA won the last Pac-10 championship and hosted a regional with an RPI of 34. Moving on. As you point out, the big series coming up is the one against Arizona. If the Beavers can take two-of-three against the Wildcats, Oregon State will have the tiebreaker against the other three teams currently on top of the conference. Oregon State needs to take at least two, and preferably three, from Stanford; beat Seattle; and then win the series against Arizona. If the Beavers can do that, I feel good about Oregon State hosting. If not, the Beavers' chances are bleak. Big seven games coming up. Hmmmm, because history ALWAYS repeats itself, so your saying there's no chance... 19 years makes it so... and there have never been unprecedented slights in NCAA selections? And thanks for your OCD correction of my spelling... although... never mind not worth it for some replies! LMAO Every series is huge. Really can't afford to lose one, need to sweep one to gain ground.
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