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Post by chinmusic on Aug 21, 2020 20:45:55 GMT -8
Yovan was basically on the shelf in 2019 and 2020. The word on the street was his future is in the batters box, but Kendall Rogers with DI Baseball and well connected in the college game, mentioned him as Oregon's Friday night guy next year. Coach Wasikowski has said they want his bat in the middle of the order next in 2021. In 15 games last year he put up a hefty slash line - .429/.566/.714
That sounds like an every-day player to me.
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Post by ag87 on Aug 21, 2020 21:37:01 GMT -8
I still don't understand why being both a hitter and a pitcher is such a rare thing - at D1 and MLB.
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Post by Tigardbeav on Aug 22, 2020 7:50:44 GMT -8
it seemed like tsdtr fortunes spiraled after Checketts left. Based on absolutely no evidence at all. Doesn't explain the reliance on HBP & inability to hit
Based on a small sample size they didn't look as if they were having much fun. Sample size based on OS series where they got (p)owned
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Post by chinmusic on Aug 22, 2020 13:13:24 GMT -8
One possible explanation of the pitcher/hitter puzzle may fall under "specialization" at the college level. With a limited number of practice hours weekly, coaches may not want pitchers to give up any practice time (throwing, training, drills) in the batting cage. Another concern might be the risk of injury, at the plate or running the bases. A fracture or a jammed digit could end the season for a pitcher/hitter.
Frequently the high school coaches are playing their best athlete at P/SS or P/CF. In high school, OSU pitching recruits usually play a position when not pitching and some are standouts at doing both. Bryce Fehmel was a good example, a good hitter with a good glove, he was an All League and All CIF-Southern Section shortstop that pitched infrequently as Agoura High's closer. He came to Corvallis to be "further evaluated" by PC and NY. He had a great fall, was sent to the bump and 30 + wins later the SF Giants drafted him. PC was prepared to see him in the Beaver infield had he not pitched so well in the fall.
Recently, Christian Chamberlain was recruited by UCLA and UNLV as an outfielder(UNR and OSU offered as a pitcher). Was Christian a good hitter at Reno HS? His Senior year he hit .485 with 24 XBH including 10 Home Runs. His Junior year, he was .375 with 13 XBH including 3 HR. His career BA at Reno was .444. Would you have sent him up to hit at OSU in 2019 when we had a couple of players mired in deep slumps?
Our current roster contains several prolific hitters in high school ball. a Senior, Jack Washburn hit .464 with 26 XBH including 9 dingers and 47 RBI. His Junior year he hit .443 with 22 XBH with 10 HR and 55 RBI. A D-1 bat? Absolutely. Cooper Hjerpe hit .427/.505/.813 with 6 HR's and 37 RBI his Senior Year at Woodland HS. His Junior year he hit .328/.439/.539 with 13 XBH including 1 HR. Scouting reports on Cooper touted his plus fielding ability at 1B, a flawless fielder with a strong and accurate arm.
You might include Ryan Brown as a versatile, athletic 2-way player as well. Ryan was a tough out at South Salem HS. As a Senior, he hit .354/.436/.609 with 17 XBH, 6 HR's and 24 RBI. His Junior year, he hit .370/.438/.632 with 15 XBH and 7 HR's with 46 RBI.
Assuming these pitchers took their hacks every day, were squared up, and making loud contact, would you hesitate to pinch hit any of them? Good athletes are able to excel at a number of things - Washburn was a standout hooper at Webster HS and won the Wisconsin state D-II HJ title at 6'4 1/2"- he can swing a bat. Ryan Brown was a 3-sport athlete that can crush a baseball, Chamberlain was a feisty starting guard on the Reno basketball team.
Hitters hit regardless of their field position.
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Post by sagebrush on Aug 22, 2020 14:24:43 GMT -8
Chinmusic hit it in the first paragraph. Injury. Pull something hitting or running, get drilled and break/bruise something. Foul ball off the foot/ankle. Any of that and you lose a pitcher.
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Post by mbabeav on Aug 22, 2020 15:05:21 GMT -8
Watched Yovan playing in the Wild, Wild West league at North Marion high school with the Portland Pickles, and he didn't pitch. He hit ok, but that was against a lot of D2 and JC talent. Considering his considerable time in the Pac 12, he should have hit a lot better imo.
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Post by giantkillers83 on Aug 25, 2020 17:24:19 GMT -8
I don't think Canham and this staff are interested in maintaining anything. I don't think that's what Pat Casey had in mind when Canham was selected to replace Pat Bailey. There is no neutral gear in coaching baseball in the PAC. There is forward or reverse. If your program isn't getting better every day, it's getting worse. Oregon State won a national championship in June of 2018. Twenty-one months later, OSU has won 10 of their last 29 games. So much for "maintenance". The current staff has it's sights set squarely on the CWS and a winning week in Omaha. Not next year, every year. They aren't interested in playing well, they are interested in winning it. Is that possible? Is that even reasonable? probably not, but is it the right goal to begin every season with? Absolutely. Can Oregon State recruit better talent? Can the Beavers train better and more effectively? Can OSU develop players better? Can OSU hit better, pitch better and field better over a 56 game schedule? If your answer isn't yes to those questions, you should not be leading this program. Coaches want to improve. Players want to improve. Fans want the Beavs to improve. 2017 and 2018 raised the bar for OSU's program - let's meet the challenge. Martin will field much more competitive teams at WSU. UW can be a pain because Meggs continues to recruit strong pitching to Seattle. The guy down the road should present a stronger challenge than George did. Cal is getting better ever year, Stanford recruits well and will improve post Marquiss, USC should be a stronger program and Savage has an uber-talented roster and he can coach. The two Arizona schools are loaded and are Omaha contenders. The point? You had better be improving your program if you expect to meet those Omaha goals. Maintaining just isn't a very good option. You misunderstood.... our program is elite and CWS championship threat.... we have 3 titles since 2005. And have been there in 2005 and 2013. Maintaining means continuing to fight for Titles every year. that.... my friend isn’t being stagnant or settling for anything. That.... is the point.
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Post by chinmusic on Aug 26, 2020 21:36:34 GMT -8
No, I didn’t misunderstand anything. I think you are confusing Foundation with Tradition.
“I’m wait and see on Dorman..... we haven’t really seen much. I haven’t been real excited about his recruiting.... but who knows.......
as far as what someone else said.... MC building on foundation of program..... What foundation ?? .... the dam foundation is built we don’t need to build on it.... we need to maintain it.....”
“You misunderstood.... our program is elite and CWS championship threat.... we have 3 titles since 2005. And have been there in 2005 and 2013. Maintaining means continuing to fight for Titles every year. that.... my friend isn’t being stagnant or settling for anything. That.... is the point”
Using the term foundation in the context of it being the base, i,e.something supporting a structure. In this case the foundation is the inanimate base of the program, Goss Stadium, the Ellsbury Locker Room, the Omaha Room, the Indoor facilities, the Campus, etc. Something built in the past that is still serviceable today.
The true strength of the program is the TRADITION built by the human part of the equation. The tradition of winning conference titles, regionals, trips to to Omaha and the 3 CWS titles. Oregon State is respected for the accomplishments of the people that have been involved with OSU baseball. That’s an expansive list, the donors, the fans, the Dugout Club and other individual and family boosters, HOF Coach Pat Casey and all of the quality assistants that have coached here over the years, the endless stream of dedicated student athletes, trainers, advisers and everyone along the way that has contributed to OSU’s success. That is the core of the Tradition.
All those people and all those wins are now our past. Canham will try to build for the future by strengthening, maybe enlarging the foundation and the tradition, that being accomplished with outstanding coaching and outstanding players. That isn’t maintaining, or doing it the same way it’s always been done – that’s adapting to change, innovating and improving to stay competitive with a difficult schedule every year. A winning tradition is accomplished by great coaches and great players, not by maintaining foundations
While we’re at it, I don’t get your comment on Dorman’s recruiting either. He is primarily if not exclusively, recruiting pitchers. I saw 14 games in 2020, which I felt was a good sample of his feel for his staff after having only such a short period of time with them, handling of the pitchers, and pitch calling. By what method would you judge his recruiting? He didn’t recruit any pitcher on last year’s roster. Are you able to judge a coach’s recruit before he ever throws a pitch for the Beavers?
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