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Post by chinmusic on Aug 4, 2020 14:00:31 GMT -8
From things we have heard and seen (recent and past), There are some opinions forming on the state of the baseball coaching situation. Kerry Egger's piece shed a little light on Baileys departure but there are likely some complicated events driving it. Here's my two-bits.
Pat Bailey is a man of character, a skilled coach and mentor for college athletes. Oregon State's baseball team was well served during Pat's 13 year tenure. It was unfortunate that he essentially became a victim of two poor decisions, one was the lack of security in a laboratory in Wuhan, China, the other was the decision by the NCAA to attach a "rider" to the proposal to add a 3rd paid coach in college baseball - an additional softball coach. A majority of College Athletic Directors chose to vote that down because it defied common sense, Title IX or not.
MC was faced with a difficult decision, a complicated choice of losing a valued assistant coach, Pat Bailey or Ryan Gipson. The Pandemic killed the summer OSU baseball camps, along with donations, a primary source of funding our unpaid 3rd assistant. A seriously jeopardized the OSU athletic budget was in no position to help. Gipson is considered by peers to be an excellent young coach and attractive to Head Coaches in the market for a highly rated assistant or an A.D. of another school seeking a promising, young head coach. Faced with the reality of not being able pay and retain Ryan, MC was forced to release PB. That had to be a very painful decision for Mitch considering the circumstances. From comments made, MC admires and holds Coach Bailey in high regard. They have a good relationship and there has never known to be any issue of animosity between them.
MC has a vision for OSU baseball. He has articulated it publicly - it is lofty, ambitious and focused. He is building a young and talented group of coaches that probably are going to be together for quite a while. It is a shared vision and the staff is united and in sync with the goals ahead. There is a common thread in the fabric of the coaches working with the team (including Wong and Robertson), they all played for the Beavers and have been influenced heavily by their rich college experience playing for a HOF Coach, Pat Casey. MC isn't here to be a caretaker, he want's to build upon the foundation.
A position on the Oregon State coaching staff is considered to be a plum. When the time is right monetarily, OSU will make a HR hire and return to full staff strength.
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Post by greshambeaver on Aug 8, 2020 16:27:16 GMT -8
I see you are a corona virus expert too? what are those qualifications. I guess no forum will ever be released from the scourge of DJT!
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Post by sagebrush on Aug 8, 2020 18:51:13 GMT -8
Why the snark? chin music makes a good reasoned post. MC wants his own guys just like head coaches in a lot of sports.
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Post by Tigardbeav on Aug 8, 2020 19:48:46 GMT -8
What is the considered opinion of Dorman? The thing w/Jake switching to a starter was embarrassing. He was not remotely ready for that. And to hang someone out there that has given so much to the program is nuts. I also watched a podcast he did. IMO he did not come off well. At least not what I would like to see in a PC. Love him or don't I really liked Yeskie's approach. A thinking man's game. The first pitch sets up the rest of the AB. And the later innings
Maybe I haven't seen enough of Dorman
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Post by jefframp on Aug 9, 2020 5:51:22 GMT -8
Why the snark? chin music makes a good reasoned post. MC wants his own guys just like head coaches in a lot of sports. "lack of security in a laboratory in Wuhan" Most scientists believe it was the live animal trade in Wuhan and not a lab that unleashed the virus. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 9, 2020 6:49:45 GMT -8
What is the considered opinion of Dorman? The thing w/Jake switching to a starter was embarrassing. He was not remotely ready for that. And to hang someone out there that has given so much to the program is nuts. I also watched a podcast he did. IMO he did not come off well. At least not what I would like to see in a PC. Love him or don't I really liked Yeskie's approach. A thinking man's game. The first pitch sets up the rest of the AB. And the later innings Maybe I haven't seen enough of Dorman Mulholland wanted to start, and as a senior he wish was accommodated. His problem was, he wasn't completely healthy. He also failed as a reliever in the SDSU series. Dorman did an outstanding job with Christian Chamberlin. We had good pitching this year. Just not good, experienced pitching. Our problem was we could not hit and had little or no power. |
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Post by rafer on Aug 9, 2020 10:51:11 GMT -8
Why the snark? chin music makes a good reasoned post. MC wants his own guys just like head coaches in a lot of sports. "lack of security in a laboratory in Wuhan" Most scientists believe it was the live animal trade in Wuhan and not a lab that unleashed the virus. That would be, "some scientists"..... Will we ever know, I have my doubts.. Even if so, the chinese let the cat out of the bag by NOT limiting travel immediately, and then we had some politicos begging us to go to china town....!!!! |
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Post by Tigardbeav on Aug 9, 2020 13:52:16 GMT -8
What is the considered opinion of Dorman? The thing w/Jake switching to a starter was embarrassing. He was not remotely ready for that. And to hang someone out there that has given so much to the program is nuts. I also watched a podcast he did. IMO he did not come off well. At least not what I would like to see in a PC. Love him or don't I really liked Yeskie's approach. A thinking man's game. The first pitch sets up the rest of the AB. And the later innings Maybe I haven't seen enough of Dorman Mulholland wanted to start, and as a senior he wish was accommodated. His problem was, he wasn't completely healthy. He also failed as a reliever in the SDSU series. Dorman did an outstanding job with Christian Chamberlin. We had good pitching this year. Just not good, experienced pitching. Our problem was we could not hit and had little or no power. Small sample size for sure. I should let it play out over a full year. His bona fides at GCU look good. Point taken on Chamberlin. Thanks however it looks as if he was splitting time between GCU & OS Rich Dorman is in his fourth season as the Lopes’ pitching coach in 2020. gculopes.com/sports/baseball/roster/coaches/rich-dorman/883 |
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Post by giantkillers83 on Aug 13, 2020 17:07:15 GMT -8
Why the snark? chin music makes a good reasoned post. MC wants his own guys just like head coaches in a lot of sports. "lack of security in a laboratory in Wuhan" Most scientists believe it was the live animal trade in Wuhan and not a lab that unleashed the virus. Maybe most Chinese scientists.... most of the stuff I’ve seen.... opinion is it was NOT related to animal trade.... I.e. wet market. Think Chinese screwed up in lab work and it escaped there while they were playing with it..... |
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Post by giantkillers83 on Aug 13, 2020 17:10:33 GMT -8
What is the considered opinion of Dorman? The thing w/Jake switching to a starter was embarrassing. He was not remotely ready for that. And to hang someone out there that has given so much to the program is nuts. I also watched a podcast he did. IMO he did not come off well. At least not what I would like to see in a PC. Love him or don't I really liked Yeskie's approach. A thinking man's game. The first pitch sets up the rest of the AB. And the later innings Maybe I haven't seen enough of Dorman I’m wait and see on Dorman..... we haven’t really seen much. I haven’t been real excited about his recruiting.... but who knows....... as far as what someone else said.... MC building on foundation of program..... What foundation ?? .... the dam foundation is built we don’t need to build on it.... we need to maintain it..... |
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Post by chinmusic on Aug 15, 2020 15:38:08 GMT -8
I don't think Canham and this staff are interested in maintaining anything. I don't think that's what Pat Casey had in mind when Canham was selected to replace Pat Bailey. There is no neutral gear in coaching baseball in the PAC. There is forward or reverse. If your program isn't getting better every day, it's getting worse. Oregon State won a national championship in June of 2018. Twenty-one months later, OSU has won 10 of their last 29 games. So much for "maintenance".
The current staff has it's sights set squarely on the CWS and a winning week in Omaha. Not next year, every year. They aren't interested in playing well, they are interested in winning it. Is that possible? Is that even reasonable? probably not, but is it the right goal to begin every season with? Absolutely.
Can Oregon State recruit better talent? Can the Beavers train better and more effectively? Can OSU develop players better? Can OSU hit better, pitch better and field better over a 56 game schedule? If your answer isn't yes to those questions, you should not be leading this program. Coaches want to improve. Players want to improve. Fans want the Beavs to improve. 2017 and 2018 raised the bar for OSU's program - let's meet the challenge.
Martin will field much more competitive teams at WSU. UW can be a pain because Meggs continues to recruit strong pitching to Seattle. The guy down the road should present a stronger challenge than George did. Cal is getting better ever year, Stanford recruits well and will improve post Marquiss, USC should be a stronger program and Savage has an uber-talented roster and he can coach. The two Arizona schools are loaded and are Omaha contenders. The point? You had better be improving your program if you expect to meet those Omaha goals.
Maintaining just isn't a very good option.
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 19, 2020 6:15:47 GMT -8
I don't think Canham and this staff are interested in maintaining anything. I don't think that's what Pat Casey had in mind when Canham was selected to replace Pat Bailey. There is no neutral gear in coaching baseball in the PAC. There is forward or reverse. If your program isn't getting better every day, it's getting worse. Oregon State won a national championship in June of 2018. Twenty-one months later, OSU has won 10 of their last 29 games. So much for "maintenance". The current staff has it's sights set squarely on the CWS and a winning week in Omaha. Not next year, every year. They aren't interested in playing well, they are interested in winning it. Is that possible? Is that even reasonable? probably not, but is it the right goal to begin every season with? Absolutely. Can Oregon State recruit better talent? Can the Beavers train better and more effectively? Can OSU develop players better? Can OSU hit better, pitch better and field better over a 56 game schedule? If your answer isn't yes to those questions, you should not be leading this program. Coaches want to improve. Players want to improve. Fans want the Beavs to improve. 2017 and 2018 raised the bar for OSU's program - let's meet the challenge. Martin will field much more competitive teams at WSU. UW can be a pain because Meggs continues to recruit strong pitching to Seattle. The guy down the road should present a stronger challenge than George did. Cal is getting better ever year, Stanford recruits well and will improve post Marquiss, USC should be a stronger program and Savage has an uber-talented roster and he can coach. The two Arizona schools are loaded and are Omaha contenders. The point? You had better be improving your program if you expect to meet those Omaha goals. Maintaining just isn't a very good option. ” There is forward or reverse. If your program isn't getting better every day, it's getting worse.”. Yep. One of my mantras while coaching youth sports. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Aug 19, 2020 13:56:00 GMT -8
I don't think Canham and this staff are interested in maintaining anything. I don't think that's what Pat Casey had in mind when Canham was selected to replace Pat Bailey. There is no neutral gear in coaching baseball in the PAC. There is forward or reverse. If your program isn't getting better every day, it's getting worse. Oregon State won a national championship in June of 2018. Twenty-one months later, OSU has won 10 of their last 29 games. So much for "maintenance". The current staff has it's sights set squarely on the CWS and a winning week in Omaha. Not next year, every year. They aren't interested in playing well, they are interested in winning it. Is that possible? Is that even reasonable? probably not, but is it the right goal to begin every season with? Absolutely. Can Oregon State recruit better talent? Can the Beavers train better and more effectively? Can OSU develop players better? Can OSU hit better, pitch better and field better over a 56 game schedule? If your answer isn't yes to those questions, you should not be leading this program. Coaches want to improve. Players want to improve. Fans want the Beavs to improve. 2017 and 2018 raised the bar for OSU's program - let's meet the challenge. Martin will field much more competitive teams at WSU. UW can be a pain because Meggs continues to recruit strong pitching to Seattle. The guy down the road should present a stronger challenge than George did. Cal is getting better ever year, Stanford recruits well and will improve post Marquiss, USC should be a stronger program and Savage has an uber-talented roster and he can coach. The two Arizona schools are loaded and are Omaha contenders. The point? You had better be improving your program if you expect to meet those Omaha goals. Maintaining just isn't a very good option. "The guy down the road should present a stronger challenge than George did." What makes you say that? Jelly Roll Horton had a couple of decent seasons. |
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Post by chinmusic on Aug 21, 2020 18:09:00 GMT -8
George Horton is a good baseball coach and was an impressive hire to resurrect the UO baseball program. His Oregon program started fast by winning over 40 games in 4 of the first 5 years he was in Eugene. The next 5 years were a monument to mediocrity posting a 150-134 record. Essentially, UO was playing little better than .500 baseball at .527.
What went wrong at the mid-polnt of Horton's tenure at UO? The University built him a new ballpark, he had a husky budget for baseball operations, and he was well compensated as the head coach. His athletes had access to Oregon's opulent facilities and trappings, and Nike fitted his team with the same garish uniform design the football team displays on Saturdays. Oregon baseball never caught on - the anticipated fan support never materialized, the team never received the attention their neighbor to the north was receiving, and 11 years into the re-start, they have no idea where Omaha is.
Oregon needed a re-set and with new HC Mark Wasikowski,they have that. Wasikowski knows the program, he assisted Horton from 2012 through 2016.
During his time at UO, the Ducks went 205-106 and were competitive. He has a solid coaching pedigree assisting the legendary Andy Lopez for 10 years at Arizona and 3 years at Florida. They won a NC at Arizona. He took over a moribund Purdue program (previous 3 years were 43-115) and improved that to 87-82 in 3 seasons at West Lafayette. He is preceded by a reputation of being offensive minded, good in player development and a capable recruiter.
On paper, Oregon should be better than their current 3 year trend line. Oregon needs to build and you can't do that with 26-29, 27-29 and 8-7. The Ducks lose 5 seniors. They return 4 hitters that had an OBP of .400 or better this spring. Offensively they should improve with more power in the middle of lineup. They have some experienced pitching with 6-7 veterans that have logged considerable innings. Their front line starters will likely offer a rotation of Kenyon Yovan, Caleb Sloan and Cullen Kafka. Walker, Fuller, Breaux, Ahlstrom and Spears are reliable arms the can call upon.
Oregon's recruiting may strengthen - Wasikowski recruits nationally and seems to favor southern California and Nevada. I don't think there is much early help in their 2020 class or 2021, but their start with the '22 class is potent. I don't expect him to recruit well in Oregon or Washington.
Oregon in 2021?
Slightly better offense.
Settled pitching
More competitive
Fresh Start
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Post by babeav on Aug 21, 2020 18:38:26 GMT -8
Thought I read somewhere that Yovan’s days on the bump are over.....he swings the bat pretty good so 1st/3rd could be his destination.
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