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Post by aicandme on Jul 23, 2020 9:11:13 GMT -8
Was at Seton Hall then transferred to a JC. Picked OSU over going back to Seton Hall
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Post by beaverinohio on Jul 23, 2020 12:17:35 GMT -8
I like this pick up. From the one highlight tape I watched, seems to have toughness and looks to be a true combo guard — pretty good passer who likes to get to the hoop. Only thing I didn’t see a lot of in the tape was outside shooting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 13:18:13 GMT -8
At 2:45 of the video, he took 3 steps in his final move to the basket and got away with it.
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Post by seastape on Jul 25, 2020 15:18:04 GMT -8
I know it's JC ball, but over 21 ppg and 6 apg as a freshman are some nice numbers. So much better than the 5.4 ppg/1.2 apg that you often see us looking at.
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Post by steinlager on Jul 25, 2020 20:08:34 GMT -8
I know it's JC ball, but over 21 ppg and 6 apg as a freshman are some nice numbers. So much better than the 5.4 ppg/1.2 apg that you often see us looking at.[br ]I immediately thought of Ronnie Stacy. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 11, 2020 13:51:47 GMT -8
Davis is official...
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 1, 2020 11:35:31 GMT -8
Did not expect this to close. I'm a lot more excited about this pick-up based on seeing what the other kids have done so far this season. We've had a lot of misses on this front under WT, so hopefully that has changed. Dashawn passes the eye test though and a lot of boxes: athletic, can score at the rim with contact, respectable 3PT shooter at 36%, 73% FT shooter.
He had 3 straight games in the low 30s, one where he didn't hit a 3, another where he went 4-5. That's a pretty impressive scoring diversity range.
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Post by beaverinohio on Dec 1, 2020 15:10:15 GMT -8
I agree this is a solid pickup. Overall, I’m not for relying on JC transfers to build a program, but as we’ve seen with the first two games of the season they can add a lot to a program. Now we need to see WT bring in some talented freshmen too.
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 1, 2020 21:32:05 GMT -8
I agree this is a solid pickup. Overall, I’m not for relying on JC transfers to build a program, but as we’ve seen with the first two games of the season they can add a lot to a program. Now we need to see WT bring in some talented freshmen too. I don't love it either, but what's the average tenure of a kid at Kentucky? For that matter, what's the average tenure of kids at tsdtr? WT needs to do what he can to put a competitive team -- we are in no position to be choosy, and frankly, it's mostly middling programs that have kids that are there for 4 full years these days. Freshman also major drawbacks in that recruiting misses on them hurt for twice as long (or more) than transfers do, and unless elite, have a long ramp. I'm all for getting can't miss freshman, but I'd much rather a middling transfer than a project/limited upside frosh. And I don't think the recent trend is just a temporary thing, I think WT has wised up. That is, even a miss like Ronnie Stacy at least brought more to the table than say a Jack Wilson was going to in his first two years, and he didn't have to run Stacy off to not have a 4 year scholarship drag. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Dec 2, 2020 6:28:14 GMT -8
I agree this is a solid pickup. Overall, I’m not for relying on JC transfers to build a program, but as we’ve seen with the first two games of the season they can add a lot to a program. Now we need to see WT bring in some talented freshmen too. I don't love it either, but what's the average tenure of a kid at Kentucky? For that matter, what's the average tenure of kids at tsdtr? WT needs to do what he can to put a competitive team -- we are in no position to be choosy, and frankly, it's mostly middling programs that have kids that are there for 4 full years these days. Freshman also major drawbacks in that recruiting misses on them hurt for twice as long (or more) than transfers do, and unless elite, have a long ramp. I'm all for getting can't miss freshman, but I'd much rather a middling transfer than a project/limited upside frosh. And I don't think the recent trend is just a temporary thing, I think WT has wised up. That is, even a miss like Ronnie Stacy at least brought more to the table than say a Jack Wilson was going to in his first two years, and he didn't have to run Stacy off to not have a 4 year scholarship drag. Well that might be the only time we see Kentucky basketball mentioned in same post as Oregon St basketball. Are you really going to equate KY’s one and done machine to OSU’s situation? Again, I’m not knocking WT for bringing in the 3 JC transfers and one regular transfers this year nor this guy. If you read my earlier post from July as well as my posts in threads on those players you’ll see I was positive on all and even defended the pickups in some. Transfers of any kind can be valuable tools to building a team. I still believe sustained success requires strong high school recruiting. You say you’d rather have a middling transfer than a limited upside frosh. If those are the only options with WT than the Beavs should be looking elsewhere for a coach. You also mention a four year drag a high schooler might result in, but truth is now those types of situations are rarer too with all the transferring. Overall, I think we’re pretty much agreement. With all openings we had for this season, transfers were pretty much necessary. And Davis looks like a good pickup in this class. But overall having JC transfers regularly out number freshmen recruits is not a recipe for success. In fact, since you brought KY into the discussion, this year they had 9 spots to fill and they didn’t go 7 transfers and 2 HS recruits, they went 6 HS recruits and 3 transfers (none from JCs). I’m all for WT using all avenues to improve and don’t expect JC transfers to go away, but neither can high school recruiting. And a strict reliance on JCs is not only an overall strain on recruiting (turning over team every 2 years), but it leads to negative recruiting against the Beavs in regards to high school recruiting. You think Beavs have trouble bringing in HS talent, see what happens when opposing coaches talk about how OSU will recruit over you every year with transfers. So basically what I’m saying is that for the class of 2022, WT knows that he has at least 4 open spots. He has time to recruit high schoolers, so that class needs to have at least 2 from HS and from my point of view preferably 3 or 4. If all those spots go to transfers again then I think the program will have a downward trajectory. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 2, 2020 7:43:00 GMT -8
I don't love it either, but what's the average tenure of a kid at Kentucky? For that matter, what's the average tenure of kids at tsdtr? WT needs to do what he can to put a competitive team -- we are in no position to be choosy, and frankly, it's mostly middling programs that have kids that are there for 4 full years these days. Freshman also major drawbacks in that recruiting misses on them hurt for twice as long (or more) than transfers do, and unless elite, have a long ramp. I'm all for getting can't miss freshman, but I'd much rather a middling transfer than a project/limited upside frosh. And I don't think the recent trend is just a temporary thing, I think WT has wised up. That is, even a miss like Ronnie Stacy at least brought more to the table than say a Jack Wilson was going to in his first two years, and he didn't have to run Stacy off to not have a 4 year scholarship drag. Well that might be the only time we see Kentucky basketball mentioned in same post as Oregon St basketball. Are you really going to equate KY’s one and done machine to OSU’s situation? Again, I’m not knocking WT for bringing in the 3 JC transfers and one regular transfers this year nor this guy. If you read my earlier post from July as well as my posts in threads on those players you’ll see I was positive on all and even defended the pickups in some. Transfers of any kind can be valuable tools to building a team. I still believe sustained success requires strong high school recruiting. You say you’d rather have a middling transfer than a limited upside frosh. If those are the only options with WT than the Beavs should be looking elsewhere for a coach. You also mention a four year drag a high schooler might result in, but truth is now those types of situations are rarer too with all the transferring. Overall, I think we’re pretty much agreement. With all openings we had for this season, transfers were pretty much necessary. And Davis looks like a good pickup in this class. But overall having JC transfers regularly out number freshmen recruits is not a recipe for success. In fact, since you brought KY into the discussion, this year they had 9 spots to fill and they didn’t go 7 transfers and 2 HS recruits, they went 6 HS recruits and 3 transfers (none from JCs). I’m all for WT using all avenues to improve and don’t expect JC transfers to go away, but neither can high school recruiting. And a strict reliance on JCs is not only an overall strain on recruiting (turning over team every 2 years), but it leads to negative recruiting against the Beavs in regards to high school recruiting. You think Beavs have trouble bringing in HS talent, see what happens when opposing coaches talk about how OSU will recruit over you every year with transfers. So basically what I’m saying is that for the class of 2022, WT knows that he has at least 4 open spots. He has time to recruit high schoolers, so that class needs to have at least 2 from HS and from my point of view preferably 3 or 4. If all those spots go to transfers again then I think the program will have a downward trajectory. Kentucky can get all four and five star recruits, so yes they are going to take HS kids. We rarely have been able to get a four star. I think what WT is doing needs to be our blueprint. Not 4 transfers per year, but maybe 2 HS kids you can develop and 2 transfers. We can’t rely on only HS kids. That blueprint has worked for teams like Iowa St. Being in a small market with no recent successful past, we’ve got to look to transfers for some success. Altman did this at uo until they got good enough that they could get high level HS players and it didn’t seem to have a negative effect on his recruiting |
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 2, 2020 8:47:01 GMT -8
I don't love it either, but what's the average tenure of a kid at Kentucky? For that matter, what's the average tenure of kids at tsdtr? WT needs to do what he can to put a competitive team -- we are in no position to be choosy, and frankly, it's mostly middling programs that have kids that are there for 4 full years these days. Freshman also major drawbacks in that recruiting misses on them hurt for twice as long (or more) than transfers do, and unless elite, have a long ramp. I'm all for getting can't miss freshman, but I'd much rather a middling transfer than a project/limited upside frosh. And I don't think the recent trend is just a temporary thing, I think WT has wised up. That is, even a miss like Ronnie Stacy at least brought more to the table than say a Jack Wilson was going to in his first two years, and he didn't have to run Stacy off to not have a 4 year scholarship drag. Well that might be the only time we see Kentucky basketball mentioned in same post as Oregon St basketball. Are you really going to equate KY’s one and done machine to OSU’s situation? Again, I’m not knocking WT for bringing in the 3 JC transfers and one regular transfers this year nor this guy. If you read my earlier post from July as well as my posts in threads on those players you’ll see I was positive on all and even defended the pickups in some. Transfers of any kind can be valuable tools to building a team. I still believe sustained success requires strong high school recruiting. You say you’d rather have a middling transfer than a limited upside frosh. If those are the only options with WT than the Beavs should be looking elsewhere for a coach. You also mention a four year drag a high schooler might result in, but truth is now those types of situations are rarer too with all the transferring. Overall, I think we’re pretty much agreement. With all openings we had for this season, transfers were pretty much necessary. And Davis looks like a good pickup in this class. But overall having JC transfers regularly out number freshmen recruits is not a recipe for success. In fact, since you brought KY into the discussion, this year they had 9 spots to fill and they didn’t go 7 transfers and 2 HS recruits, they went 6 HS recruits and 3 transfers (none from JCs). I’m all for WT using all avenues to improve and don’t expect JC transfers to go away, but neither can high school recruiting. And a strict reliance on JCs is not only an overall strain on recruiting (turning over team every 2 years), but it leads to negative recruiting against the Beavs in regards to high school recruiting. You think Beavs have trouble bringing in HS talent, see what happens when opposing coaches talk about how OSU will recruit over you every year with transfers. So basically what I’m saying is that for the class of 2022, WT knows that he has at least 4 open spots. He has time to recruit high schoolers, so that class needs to have at least 2 from HS and from my point of view preferably 3 or 4. If all those spots go to transfers again then I think the program will have a downward trajectory. I think we do pretty much have the same perspective. My general point is that when WT hasn't been able to draw the kids he really wanted (i.e. fills gaps, can contribute right away) with HS kids, I'd much prefer he go the transfer route, so that the scholarship frees up sooner to try again to get what is really wanted/needed. I feel like a lot of his offers have been reaches in terms of kids that can compete in the Pac-12, and the performance/transfers out numbers support that. Certainly you can say it's an indictment on WT of being able to consistently bring in Pac-12-level kids out of HS, but that's been true for every coach the last 30 years now at OSU. So I'm pretty happy to see guys that can compete show up on campus, even if they are only here 2-3 years. As it is, many of the best players we've had this millennium have come the transfer route: GPII, Kyler Kelley, Eric Moreland, Nick DeWitz and Phillip Ricci come to mind. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Dec 2, 2020 10:52:35 GMT -8
Judge and Beaverstever,
Yes I think we’re all pretty much in agreement. As I’ve said I thought the JC adds were good pickups. Not sure if I had an opinion on the Alatishe signing, but obviously that looks like a great pickup. All things being relatively equal, I’d always prefer a HS recruit to a JC transfer, but we know HS recruiting hasn’t always been up to par so the transfer route was needed. Just need to have balance.
As to Oregon, I don’t feel like doing a deep dive, but seems like they’ve relied a bit more on transfers from 4-year colleges than JC — though they’ve had some success with JC also. Think Duarte was JC, though a highly ranked JC. And, of course, they’ve always gone the HS route too. I think there is a difference between JC transfers and those coming from a four- year schools, and I prefer the latter. It will be interesting to see if the one-year waiver pertaining to not having to sit out upon transferring impacts the Beavers 2021 recruiting class (as well as current roster).
And while Judge points out it doesn’t look like Oregon has suffered from negative recruiting with regards to high schoolers because of taking transfers, it is a little easier to overcome negative recruiting when you’ve finished 4th or higher in league 8 out of 10 years. And one of those “down” occurred after program was established and still went to NIT.
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 2, 2020 10:59:30 GMT -8
Agree on the JC vs 4-year transfer, but mainly because a lot of the JC kids are more likely to be risky academically, and harder to project based on the relative competition. That said, with kids like Boucher and Kelly coming out of the JC ranks, it's prudent to keep pursuing kids from there as well, IMO.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Dec 2, 2020 12:48:04 GMT -8
I'm a little surprised to see no one mentioning that we also got GPII via the JC route. Easily our most influential player of this century. I agree that there needs to be some level of HS recruiting as well, but last year's class with Lucas, Hunt, and Franklin looks to be a solid HS class so far. Isaiah Johnson looked good in the minutes he's gotten so far this year, but admittedly we don't really know much about him yet. I don't think the influx of JC/transfer guys is anything to worry about yet. If this becomes a trend then I think it becomes a little more worrying. Also think had we landed Gregg this conversation would be very different right now.
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