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Post by alwaysorange on Jun 27, 2020 15:59:21 GMT -8
In the spirit of prince the game should be called. “The Big Brawl” Formally known as the Civil War I AM SERIOUS. THAT IS A WINNER. You need to call the AD and get that name going. Platypus sucks,
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jun 27, 2020 16:32:58 GMT -8
OSU is the Beaver State no? I vote for Beaver Bowl...ftd
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Post by astro4519 on Jun 27, 2020 18:07:31 GMT -8
The athletic cup
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Post by kersting13 on Jun 28, 2020 11:40:40 GMT -8
"Changing this name is overdue as it represents a connection to a war fought to perpetuate slavery," I don't like the change and I really don't like this line. Seems to me that's a bad way to look at it, I've always thought of the Civil War as a war to end slavery. That's on top of the fact that there's no real connection between the athletic rivalry and the American Civil War. Seriously, the good guys WON the Civil War! Why should that name have a negative connotation?
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Post by kersting13 on Jun 28, 2020 11:56:10 GMT -8
Are black people sad that the Civil War was fought?
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Post by kersting13 on Jun 28, 2020 12:03:03 GMT -8
Thank you for posting. I strongly agree with your sentiments. I would like to say a whole lot more on this, but I recently got banned for attaching a link regarding Covid 19. I guess, I can't help myself. One more thing. I feel like our freedoms are slowly being taken away from us. Changing the narrative of history puts us down a very dangerous path. No one is changing the narrative of history. The real Civil War won't cease to exist. The south won't win suddenly Gettysburg. A Union soldier who died (I am directly related to three) will not suddenly have died in vain because of this change. In my way of thinking, after receiving considerable, thoughtful input from some of the athletes who actually played/play in the rivalry, the schools decided they no longer wanted their sports series named after a conflict that divided the Union, resulted in a divisive war that killed 600,000 Americans (about half of whom were fighting to preserve the right to enslave another race of human beings), resulted in the postwar terrorizing of black Americans and in many ways still divides our country today. Things change as circumstances change. At one point OSU was OSC, and before that OAC. The Dodgers were named the Bridegrooms, Robins and Supurbas and played in Brooklyn, the Giants played in New York, the A's played in Philadelphia and Kansas City, the Orioles played in St. Louis and the Braves played in Boston and Milwaukee. Kansas used to play Missouri and Texas used to play A&M. Blacks used to be excluded from MLB, the SEC and the ACC. But things changed as circumstances changed. As always, other's mileage may vary. I’d say the difference between this and the other changes you listed is that there were good reasons for those changes.
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Post by sparty on Jun 28, 2020 12:07:46 GMT -8
Are black people sad that the Civil War was fought? There never was a Civil War. Did not happen.
There also was no holocaust in WW2 as some out there actually think. Man never set foot on the moon either.
Basically history is what you want it to be. Just as there were never any losses in football between the Schmucks. Still undefeated folks in the series and that makes a person feel good.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 28, 2020 12:17:56 GMT -8
Are black people sad that the Civil War was fought? Only one way to find out. Ask a few.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jun 28, 2020 12:32:16 GMT -8
Simplify it. Call it "The War".
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Post by orangeblood on Jun 28, 2020 12:41:17 GMT -8
Was the state of Oregon "Civil War" named after the United States Civil War, or not?
Civil War is defined as "a war between citizens of the same country." There have been numerous other internal conflicts in other countries around the globe that are referred to as a "Civil War", e.g. Spain, Denmark, etc.
I think the current OSU-uo Civil War is called such not as a remembrance of the US Civil War, but because it is a conflict between peoples of the same "country." It does not now have, nor ever had any connection to slavery, pro or con.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 28, 2020 13:26:01 GMT -8
No one is changing the narrative of history. The real Civil War won't cease to exist. The south won't win suddenly Gettysburg. A Union soldier who died (I am directly related to three) will not suddenly have died in vain because of this change. In my way of thinking, after receiving considerable, thoughtful input from some of the athletes who actually played/play in the rivalry, the schools decided they no longer wanted their sports series named after a conflict that divided the Union, resulted in a divisive war that killed 600,000 Americans (about half of whom were fighting to preserve the right to enslave another race of human beings), resulted in the postwar terrorizing of black Americans and in many ways still divides our country today. Things change as circumstances change. At one point OSU was OSC, and before that OAC. The Dodgers were named the Bridegrooms, Robins and Supurbas and played in Brooklyn, the Giants played in New York, the A's played in Philadelphia and Kansas City, the Orioles played in St. Louis and the Braves played in Boston and Milwaukee. Kansas used to play Missouri and Texas used to play A&M. Blacks used to be excluded from MLB, the SEC and the ACC. But things changed as circumstances changed. As always, other's mileage may vary. I’d say the difference between this and the other changes you listed is that there were good reasons for those changes. And I'd say no longer wanted their sports series named after a conflict that divided the Union, resulted in a divisive war that killed 600,000 Americans (about half of whom were fighting to preserve the right to enslave another race of human beings), resulted in the postwar terrorizing of black Americans and in many ways still divides our country today, is a plenty good reason for change. We'll agree to disagree. Civaly, of course.
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Post by irimi on Jun 28, 2020 13:34:22 GMT -8
"Changing this name is overdue as it represents a connection to a war fought to perpetuate slavery," I don't like the change and I really don't like this line. Seems to me that's a bad way to look at it, I've always thought of the Civil War as a war to end slavery. That's on top of the fact that there's no real connection between the athletic rivalry and the American Civil War. Seriously, the good guys WON the Civil War! Why should that name have a negative connotation? Perhaps because there are folks in this country that still wave the flag of the losing side as a symbol of white power in order to intimidate and threaten people of color. The Civil War ended more than 150 years ago, but the ideologies don’t die easily.
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Post by irimi on Jun 28, 2020 13:47:34 GMT -8
Are black people sad that the Civil War was fought? Of course not. But are black people sad that Americans still fly the Confederate flag?
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Post by jimbeav on Jun 29, 2020 12:58:51 GMT -8
I blame Glove for this. Ray and Barnes saw his post about closing down Bennyshouse, and they both got together and said, "Ha! We'll show him a reason to keep a discussion board up!"
My quick take and compromise proposal: The term "civil war" does not define a single conflict. It's a generic term that applies to many, many historical conflicts throughout the world. One thing these conflicts have in common is a theme of divided loyalties, often splitting up families, friends, and neighbors. With 2 schools just 60 miles apart, and sharing a single major metro area, this is the exact same dynamic in play within our rivalry, a dynamic that's unique and different than anywhere else in the country. And this is exactly why the term "Civil War" is such an accurate and unique and cool description of our rivalry.
To simply throw this term out is a damn crying shame, makes no logical sense, and reeks of victimhood and looking for fake problems to solve in the hopes that people don't realize that the real problems are still out there and being ignored.
My compromise proposal: If the current political climate dictates that we absolutely _MUST_ differentiate our rivalry from the American Civil War (regardless of why anybody would make such a stupid connection), then I think we should simply come up with a descriptive addition to the term. My favorite is the Northwest Civil War. But just about anything would do. Pigskin Civil War, Valley Civil War, whatever. Fans can still just call it The Civil War, and the official name will make clear the lack of any connection to a real conflict. Just please don't throw out this very apt name for a bitter rivalry that goes back 150 years.
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Post by EOBeav on Jun 29, 2020 15:42:42 GMT -8
That makes no sense whatsoever. Sure it does. Corvallis is not located on I-5. Parker Stadium became Reser Stadium. Coleman Field was changed to Goss Stadium (only Mike Parker still calls it Coleman Field at Goss Stadium; everyone else just calls it Goss). Apperson Hall became Kearney Hall. Education Hall became Fuhrman Hall. Kerr Library became the Valley Library. Marysville became Corvallis. Things change. This too shall pass. It's close enough. Jeez.
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