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Post by bennyskid on May 21, 2020 6:42:37 GMT -8
So the NCAA has released its list of programs being sanctioned for low APR.
Remarkably, of the 15, all but two are "historically black" universities. (There are 101 HBCU's in the country, not all of which have NCAA sports.)
How can this be? What is it about HBCUs that makes them ~30 times more likely to be sanctioned than other schools? How did the train get so far off the rails?
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Post by thebeav on May 21, 2020 6:58:51 GMT -8
Maybe the reason is that many of their ex students (I hesitate to use the term “alumni”) have not been given a fair chance at NFL coaching jobs? Or maybe the failing students need more financial aid?
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Post by Werebeaver on May 21, 2020 9:47:12 GMT -8
So the NCAA has released its list of programs being sanctioned for low APR.
Remarkably, of the 15, all but two are "historically black" universities. (There are 101 HBCU's in the country, not all of which have NCAA sports.)
How can this be? What is it about HBCUs that makes them ~30 times more likely to be sanctioned than other schools? How did the train get so far off the rails?
What are your theories? |
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Post by spudbeaver on May 21, 2020 10:19:44 GMT -8
Maybe the reason is that many of their ex students (I hesitate to use the term “alumni”) have not been given a fair chance at NFL coaching jobs? Or maybe the failing students need more financial aid? Really? I thought this was satire until I read the second sentence. That's a good one too. The age old cure for education: Throw more money at it. They'll study harder if we subsidize their education? I know this is radical thinking, but maybe the schools and the students didn't take the appropriate steps to elevate their grades? |
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Post by thebeav on May 21, 2020 15:30:01 GMT -8
Satire. Yep.
I’m sure CNN will pick this story up and run with it. I think we should just start throwing more money at the situation and make sure these “students” are first in line for all highly sought after jobs after they “graduate”. The new Rooney Rule.
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Post by Werebeaver on May 21, 2020 16:05:55 GMT -8
Satire. Yep. I’m sure CNN will pick this story up and run with it. I think we should just start throwing more money at the situation and make sure these “students” are first in line for all highly sought after jobs after they “graduate”. The new Rooney Rule. I didn’t see any mention of anyone asking for money because of these NCAA postseason sanctions. Did I miss something? |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 21, 2020 19:03:56 GMT -8
Maybe the reason is that many of their ex students (I hesitate to use the term “alumni”) have not been given a fair chance at NFL coaching jobs? Or maybe the failing students need more financial aid? Really? I thought this was satire until I read the second sentence. That's a good one too. The age old cure for education: Throw more money at it. They'll study harder if we subsidize their education? I know this is radical thinking, but maybe the schools and the students didn't take the appropriate steps to elevate their grades? Cmon, we all know the only place you can cure problems by throwing gobs money at it is the DOD. |
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Post by spudbeaver on May 21, 2020 19:40:44 GMT -8
Satire. Yep. I’m sure CNN will pick this story up and run with it. I think we should just start throwing more money at the situation and make sure these “students” are first in line for all highly sought after jobs after they “graduate”. The new Rooney Rule. I didn’t see any mention of anyone asking for money because of these NCAA postseason sanctions. Did I miss something? Or maybe the failing students need more financial aid? |
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Post by Werebeaver on May 21, 2020 19:54:21 GMT -8
I didn’t see any mention of anyone asking for money because of these NCAA postseason sanctions. Did I miss something? Or maybe the failing students need more financial aid? Are you offering? If so, I’m impressed with your generosity. |
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Post by spudbeaver on May 21, 2020 20:10:18 GMT -8
Or maybe the failing students need more financial aid? Are you offering? If so, I’m impressed with your generosity. Um, quoting an earlier post. |
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Post by bennyskid on May 22, 2020 7:26:18 GMT -8
You can't argue that it's money - we're talking about being able to graduate a tiny subset of your students. Many of these are *basketball* teams - we're talking about being able to graduate 3 or 4 kids each year. You practically have more staff than you have players!
I wonder what the longevity of these coaches is. Is this a matter of coaches that just want to get enough wins to get the attention of a higher-level school - taking on recruits that have little chance of graduating and telling them, "to hell with school, get back in the gym"?
Of course, it could be the college president making this happen. How much was making the NCAAs worth to Stephen F Austin this year? Is that president happier about the tourney appearance than he is pissed about the program being sanctioned? Probably.
But these factors are the case everywhere - probably more so at places like U-Nike than Grambling State. So, why HBCU's in particular? Is it because they are mostly segregated in their own conferences, so there is less competitive pressure to achieve academically? Does "HBCU" simply carry a stigma that says, "academics don't matter here"?
Maybe it's time to break up Southland Conference.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 22, 2020 7:37:25 GMT -8
Some HBCUs are taking matters into their own hands. Longtime MEAC power Hampton University joined the Big South several years ago, significantly raising its academic and athletic profile. The Big South is a nice mix of solid regional private universities and smaller branch-campus public schools.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 22, 2020 14:13:29 GMT -8
You can't argue that it's money - we're talking about being able to graduate a tiny subset of your students. Many of these are *basketball* teams - we're talking about being able to graduate 3 or 4 kids each year. You practically have more staff than you have players! I wonder what the longevity of these coaches is. Is this a matter of coaches that just want to get enough wins to get the attention of a higher-level school - taking on recruits that have little chance of graduating and telling them, "to hell with school, get back in the gym"? Of course, it could be the college president making this happen. How much was making the NCAAs worth to Stephen F Austin this year? Is that president happier about the tourney appearance than he is pissed about the program being sanctioned? Probably. But these factors are the case everywhere - probably more so at places like U-Nike than Grambling State. So, why HBCU's in particular? Is it because they are mostly segregated in their own conferences, so there is less competitive pressure to achieve academically? Does "HBCU" simply carry a stigma that says, "academics don't matter here"? Maybe it's time to break up Southland Conference. Stephen F. Austin has bigger fish to fry than a low APR. I believe that the NCAA found that 83 players for SFA were ineligible. SFA had to vacate the 2016 Tournament appearance and 50% of its profit from the 2016 Tournament. Neverthless, I believe that SFA had the worst APR score of any Division 1 school, 810. The next lowest was Delaware State's 901. Men's basketball teams routinely have APR problems, because there are few players and schools can get dinged when players declare for the draft or decide to play overseas. Four of the 15 teams are men's basketball teams and that is the only reason that Alabama State and Delaware State are on the list. Not on the list are Chicago State and Coppin State men's basketball, who also were also assessed Level One (penalties short of probation) APR penalties. |
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