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Post by beavershoopsfan on Apr 19, 2020 9:46:24 GMT -8
I loved Destiny. Wish she still was on the team, but go back and watch a selection of about 20 or so times when the Beavs had the ball, running out the clock to end the quarter, and judge for yourself how successful those 10 seconds were. As for the Aleah "high pressure" talk. I think Aleah is great too, I jsut think you can't have her alone as the main ball handler. Honsetly, we may be making too much of this. I'm fairly confident Sasha will be able to help in those situations as well. The main question would be, if Aleah is the point guard, is there a backup? Right now, it doesn't look like it. Very true. The Beavs were not very good last season during the last 10-15 seconds of a quarter when they had the final possession. That was not Slocum or Goodman at their best. Often, the look that they got was a contested three-pointer from behind a high post screen. I would agree that Sasha may be our best option as a frosh to take some ballhandling pressure off from Aleah, given the expected roster. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Apr 19, 2020 10:41:25 GMT -8
I loved Destiny. Wish she still was on the team, but go back and watch a selection of about 20 or so times when the Beavs had the ball, running out the clock to end the quarter, and judge for yourself how successful those 10 seconds were. As for the Aleah "high pressure" talk. I think Aleah is great too, I jsut think you can't have her alone as the main ball handler. Honsetly, we may be making too much of this. I'm fairly confident Sasha will be able to help in those situations as well. The main question would be, if Aleah is the point guard, is there a backup? Right now, it doesn't look like it. Very true. The Beavs were not very good last season during the last 10-15 seconds of a quarter when they had the final possession. That was not Slocum or Goodman at their best. Often, the look that they got was a contested three-pointer from behind a high post screen. I would agree that Sasha may be our best option as a frosh to take some ballhandling pressure off from Aleah, given the expected roster. I have never made the effort to crunch any actual numbers, but I don't think the Beavs are an isolated case in college basketball of stinking up the joint in the waning seconds of the quarter. And it's coaching, not the players;virtually all coaches, not just Scott. Having your team wait until there's roughly 10 seconds left on the clock to start running their half court offense is, in my mind, stupid beyond belief. It leads time after time to a very poor last second shot, or no shot at all. |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Apr 19, 2020 11:05:51 GMT -8
Very true. The Beavs were not very good last season during the last 10-15 seconds of a quarter when they had the final possession. That was not Slocum or Goodman at their best. Often, the look that they got was a contested three-pointer from behind a high post screen. I would agree that Sasha may be our best option as a frosh to take some ballhandling pressure off from Aleah, given the expected roster. I have never made the effort to crunch any actual numbers, but I don't think the Beavs are an isolated case in college basketball of stinking up the joint in the waning seconds of the quarter. And it's coaching, not the players;virtually all coaches, not just Scott. Having your team wait until there's roughly 10 seconds left on the clock to start running their half court offense is, in my mind, stupid beyond belief. It leads time after time to a very poor last second shot, or no shot at all. I think for the most part coaches collectively made a decision that they are less concerned with scoring at the end of a quarter than they are with making sure the other team doesn't get the ball back with a chance to score. I don't like it, but it seems to be the way the game has gone.
I don't think they even start to make their move at 10 seconds. That's they way it used to be. Now it's more like 6 or 7 seconds, which is just not enough time to create anything decent most occasions.
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Post by billsaab on Apr 19, 2020 11:43:12 GMT -8
They also never played two for 1 at quarters end. I don't like it either. Antithesis of athletic quick score to break pressure.
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Post by grad1973 on Apr 19, 2020 11:58:26 GMT -8
There are two ways to break a press and one of them, do to KB skill set, helped us bringing ball up court.
The other skill set is a person who speed and ball skills like a pg can break down a press.
The only person in the back court since we lost so many experienced players, has a speed skill set, there is Jasmine. With her speed she could do that but she has not demonstrated a nack for passing
In a crunch.
We have scholarships to find a press break kid. Preferably African American. To come in and help Aleahh
bring the ball up court.[br
]There's nothing harder than playing out of position against top match competition. Just think if Scott would think about as much as he has with all the ht he has recruited. That he would take as serious and address why we have turn over issues even with Destiny playing.the last few years. Does it have to do with personnel he recruits?
I know he is trying to get this type of person so I know he cares about this issue.
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I'd hate for freshmen to be out of position. Sasha had a great point guard. She knows the value and difference they bring. Might even be a letdown for her.
To Scotts credit the 4 he is bringing in seems like a real gem move. Super smart lady and probably has a great overall game inside or out.
This will help Taya come back without a lot of pressure.
Taya is a great athlete but I hope someone is working on her tapping into her offensive talent. With a developing inside game.
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Post by shelby on Apr 19, 2020 12:50:18 GMT -8
The types of turnovers I saw were based on overdribbling ( need better passing lanes ),
Forcing passes into the Center when the defense was collapsing two or three bigs ( timing and arc of pass ),
One of the most frustrating was getting stripped from behind when bringing the ball down court.
When driving , we also had a tendency to drive right into the defenders chest - to the point where you can no longer get off a good shot !
Towards the end of the season , Jazz was really improving her passing game inside and outside.
She just had a lot more confidence !
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Post by beaveragain on Apr 19, 2020 13:06:06 GMT -8
We need Jazz and Aleah to step up next season. Both of them have some spotlight issues, but they both also have a lot of ability and I think if they can take the attention they will have a great season. When Jazz kicks it up she's as fast as the Beav's have had in a while and she does it under control. Now if she can just finish.
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Post by bvrbooster on Apr 19, 2020 13:32:07 GMT -8
I have never made the effort to crunch any actual numbers, but I don't think the Beavs are an isolated case in college basketball of stinking up the joint in the waning seconds of the quarter. And it's coaching, not the players;virtually all coaches, not just Scott. Having your team wait until there's roughly 10 seconds left on the clock to start running their half court offense is, in my mind, stupid beyond belief. It leads time after time to a very poor last second shot, or no shot at all. I think for the most part coaches collectively made a decision that they are less concerned with scoring at the end of a quarter than they are with making sure the other team doesn't get the ball back with a chance to score. I don't like it, but it seems to be the way the game has gone.
I don't think they even start to make their move at 10 seconds. That's they way it used to be. Now it's more like 6 or 7 seconds, which is just not enough time to create anything decent most occasions.
To some extent, I think you're right - but that doesn't make any sense either. Once again, I don't have any hard numbers, but let's just say that possession of the ball with 10 seconds left results in points 20% of the time. And let's say both teams average 40% from the floor. You get the ball with 25 seconds left, plenty of time to run your normal offense, which scores 40% of the time. You basically wind up trading a 40% possession for a 20% possession because you'd prefer that to giving yourself a reasonable chance to score which might lead to a 20% chance to score for your opponent. Doesn't make sense. |
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Post by rafer on Apr 19, 2020 14:53:48 GMT -8
There are two ways to break a press and one of them, do to KB skill set, helped us bringing ball up court. The other skill set is a person who speed and ball skills like a pg can break down a press. The only person in the back court since we lost so many experienced players, has a speed skill set, there is Jasmine. With her speed she could do that but she has not demonstrated a nack for passing In a crunch. We have scholarships to find a press break kid. Preferably African American. To come in and help Aleahh bring the ball up court.[br ]There's nothing harder than playing out of position against top match competition. Just think if Scott would think about as much as he has with all the ht he has recruited. That he would take as serious and address why we have turn over issues even with Destiny playing.the last few years. Does it have to do with personnel he recruits? I know he is trying to get this type of person so I know he cares about this issue. br] I'd hate for freshmen to be out of position. Sasha had a great point guard. She knows the value and difference they bring. Might even be a letdown for her. To Scotts credit the 4 he is bringing in seems like a real gem move. Super smart lady and probably has a great overall game inside or out. This will help Taya come back without a lot of pressure. Taya is a great athlete but I hope someone is working on her tapping into her offensive talent. With a developing inside game. Preferably African American// wtf, John Stockton takes issue with that, why on earth would we care what color she is?? That's just poor taste ............please reconsider.... |
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Post by grad1973 on Apr 19, 2020 15:24:14 GMT -8
Genetics is why? Big leagues in basketball are dominated by black Americans . nothing personal. Rueck recruits them also.
Yes there are good to excellent causian pg's
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Post by nwhoopfan on Apr 19, 2020 15:45:49 GMT -8
Yeah, no need for the racial card. Sloot is probably the best PG in the WNBA right now. I would be overjoyed if OSU had a PG like Syracuse's Tiana Managakahia (that is a mouthful of a last name). I'm sure I can come up with a long list of pigment challenged players who are more than adequate drive and dish, press breaking guards.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Apr 19, 2020 16:41:00 GMT -8
I have never made the effort to crunch any actual numbers, but I don't think the Beavs are an isolated case in college basketball of stinking up the joint in the waning seconds of the quarter. And it's coaching, not the players;virtually all coaches, not just Scott. Having your team wait until there's roughly 10 seconds left on the clock to start running their half court offense is, in my mind, stupid beyond belief. It leads time after time to a very poor last second shot, or no shot at all. I think for the most part coaches collectively made a decision that they are less concerned with scoring at the end of a quarter than they are with making sure the other team doesn't get the ball back with a chance to score. I don't like it, but it seems to be the way the game has gone.
I don't think they even start to make their move at 10 seconds. That's they way it used to be. Now it's more like 6 or 7 seconds, which is just not enough time to create anything decent most occasions.
It is coaching 101 that when you have the ball late in the quarter or half you play for the last shot. You can either run a designed play or spread the court and put the ball in your best players hands to create a shot. If you start running a play too early and shoot with more then 4 or 5 seconds left you run the risk of the other team scoring which is the last thing you want. If you coach and work on this situation enough in practice there is no reason for the players not to be able to execute. |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Apr 19, 2020 16:48:43 GMT -8
Yeah, no need for the racial card. Sloot is probably the best PG in the WNBA right now. I would be overjoyed if OSU had a PG like Syracuse's Tiana Managakahia (that is a mouthful of a last name). I'm sure I can come up with a long list of pigment challenged players who are more than adequate drive and dish, press breaking guards. Skill level matters not skin color. Late in oregon's close games it was Ionescu who handled the ball which worked just fine. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Apr 19, 2020 17:18:34 GMT -8
I think for the most part coaches collectively made a decision that they are less concerned with scoring at the end of a quarter than they are with making sure the other team doesn't get the ball back with a chance to score. I don't like it, but it seems to be the way the game has gone.
I don't think they even start to make their move at 10 seconds. That's they way it used to be. Now it's more like 6 or 7 seconds, which is just not enough time to create anything decent most occasions.
It is coaching 101 that when you have the ball late in the quarter or half you play for the last shot. You can either run a designed play or spread the court and put the ball in your best players hands to create a shot. If you start running a play too early and shoot with more then 4 or 5 seconds left you run the risk of the other team scoring which is the last thing you want. If you coach and work on this situation enough in practice there is no reason for the players not to be able to execute. Well then, why, pray tell, is the success rate so low? Coaching 101 it may be, but that doesn't make it the optimal approach. Since its inception 85 years ago, it has been demonstrable every year that the Social Security system's results are inferior to investing in the stock market for retirement monies. Nevertheless, it remains Social Security 101 to continue doing things just as our ancestors did. Not trying to open a political debate in any way; just making a point. "It's always been done this way" doesn't make it right and doesn't make it the best approach. |
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Post by beaveragain on Apr 19, 2020 17:45:14 GMT -8
Just a polite hint to folks. Statements about we need African Americans for..... or, not trying to open a political debate but....
Please don't. The first IS racist and the second IS politics when this is not a political forum.
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