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Post by fridaynightlights on Mar 26, 2020 8:45:30 GMT -8
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 26, 2020 8:50:57 GMT -8
Not surprising given the lack of returning production, but man, looking around the conference, it looks weak all over the place. I wouldn't be surprised to see OSU finish in the middle of the conference.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 26, 2020 9:41:42 GMT -8
But, isn't that what solid recruiting is for? Not going thru these steep ups and downs of talent and depth.
As far as the rest of the Pac12, 7-9 teams have better classes coming in. Five have very solid classes that will contribute right away. And, the draft/NBA decisions might affect some who would have left early.
This coming season will highlight the two main weaknesses of WT over the first 6 years... no recruiting chops and lack of developing those h he gets into quality Pac12 players/depth.
Six seasons is plenty of time to build a reputation, program reputation that would attract better players. WT's comment on sons limiting recruiting will be his last excuse... it better improve.
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Post by seastape on Mar 27, 2020 8:58:06 GMT -8
But, isn't that what solid recruiting is for? Not going thru these steep ups and downs of talent and depth. As far as the rest of the Pac12, 7-9 teams have better classes coming in. Five have very solid classes that will contribute right away. And, the draft/NBA decisions might affect some who would have left early. This coming season will highlight the two main weaknesses of WT over the first 6 years... no recruiting chops and lack of developing those he he gets into quality Pac12 players/depth. Six seasons is plenty of time to build a reputation, program reputation that would attract better players. WT's comment on sons limiting recruiting will be his last excuse... it better improve. Agreed. My head says 2-4 conference wins. My heart, and we've had this discussion before, but my heart hopes, in a weird way, that Coach Tinkle did such a poor job developing players because he was too busy concentrating on his son that the new guys finally have a chance to shine and will do so. I further hope that the father-son basketball we've seen for the last five years will be replaced by a brand of full team basketball in which all the players have opportunity to step forward and 5-6 emerge to really carry the team. I know this "hope" paints a very negative picture of Tinkle, and I hate to have it, but the alternative is that Tinkle has nobody but Thompson next year as a legitimate Pac 12 starter with a bunch of guys who would at best be (deep) bench players on other Pac 12 teams. We will have a real problem if Thompson hits for 17 points/5 assists/5 rebs/game (excellent stats, by the way), 2 guys hit for 6-8 pts/game, and the rest don't go above 4 pts/game. That's what our roster looks like right now unless something changes in a radical way. |
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 27, 2020 9:51:26 GMT -8
But, isn't that what solid recruiting is for? Not going thru these steep ups and downs of talent and depth. As far as the rest of the Pac12, 7-9 teams have better classes coming in. Five have very solid classes that will contribute right away. And, the draft/NBA decisions might affect some who would have left early. This coming season will highlight the two main weaknesses of WT over the first 6 years... no recruiting chops and lack of developing those he he gets into quality Pac12 players/depth. Six seasons is plenty of time to build a reputation, program reputation that would attract better players. WT's comment on sons limiting recruiting will be his last excuse... it better improve. Agreed - I'm just saying that the recruiting shortcomings might not get as amplified as we'd expect because so many teams are not returning a lot of experienced strength. I am really tired of the lack of MBB recruiting news that gets me excited, with the only hope is there's another Kelly situation on the roster (major unexpected upside). |
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 27, 2020 10:13:15 GMT -8
But, isn't that what solid recruiting is for? Not going thru these steep ups and downs of talent and depth. As far as the rest of the Pac12, 7-9 teams have better classes coming in. Five have very solid classes that will contribute right away. And, the draft/NBA decisions might affect some who would have left early. This coming season will highlight the two main weaknesses of WT over the first 6 years... no recruiting chops and lack of developing those he he gets into quality Pac12 players/depth. Six seasons is plenty of time to build a reputation, program reputation that would attract better players. WT's comment on sons limiting recruiting will be his last excuse... it better improve. Agreed - I'm just saying that the recruiting shortcomings might not get as amplified as we'd expect because so many teams are not returning a lot of experienced strength. I am really tired of the lack of MBB recruiting news that gets me excited, with the only hope is there's another Kelly situation on the roster (major unexpected upside). Without knowing how the current situation will effect those that come out, and of course transfers... I went thru the rosters. Over half the Pac12 has more significant roster returnees and depth than our lineup provides. Add in scheduled transfers, injury returns, and signees OSU is about 10th, but to each their own when doing such an evaluation. Whatever improvements we expect from our roster, other teams will too see some improvements. It'll be interesting to see how transfers and the draft plays out. One issue marginal NBA players have to consider... going to play in Europe/ overseas will probably not be a great option for a while after this all settles. There has even been talk of shutting down the G League for a season, expanding NBA rosters by two. But, we've all got a long way to go before worrying about real basketball games. I'm just hoping for a real football season as long as it's 100% safe. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 27, 2020 12:54:42 GMT -8
Agreed - I'm just saying that the recruiting shortcomings might not get as amplified as we'd expect because so many teams are not returning a lot of experienced strength. I am really tired of the lack of MBB recruiting news that gets me excited, with the only hope is there's another Kelly situation on the roster (major unexpected upside). Without knowing how the current situation will effect those that come out, and of course transfers... I went thru the rosters. Over half the Pac12 has more significant roster returnees and depth than our lineup provides. Add in scheduled transfers, injury returns, and signees OSU is about 10th, but to each their own when doing such an evaluation. Whatever improvements we expect from our roster, other teams will too see some improvements. It'll be interesting to see how transfers and the draft plays out. One issue marginal NBA players have to consider... going to play in Europe/ overseas will probably not be a great option for a while after this all settles. There has even been talk of shutting down the G League for a season, expanding NBA rosters by two. But, we've all got a long way to go before worrying about real basketball games. I'm just hoping for a real football season as long as it's 100% safe. In my own mind, I think that things will start getting back to normal in mid-May. We really need new cases to taper off. Italy may turned the corner a couple of days ago, but deaths are still increasing there, which is another part of the problem. Once you get it under control (which it is not yet here) you still need to give it at least another 2 1/2 weeks to burn itself out. In the meantime, we hope that there is a treatment or a cure, so that we can start to attack the death rate and make sure that hospitals do not get overwhelmed. When the dust settles, I expect COVID-19 to be worse than H1N1, but I doubt that it is as bad as the 1957-58 Asian Flu. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 27, 2020 15:22:12 GMT -8
Without knowing how the current situation will effect those that come out, and of course transfers... I went thru the rosters. Over half the Pac12 has more significant roster returnees and depth than our lineup provides. Add in scheduled transfers, injury returns, and signees OSU is about 10th, but to each their own when doing such an evaluation. Whatever improvements we expect from our roster, other teams will too see some improvements. It'll be interesting to see how transfers and the draft plays out. One issue marginal NBA players have to consider... going to play in Europe/ overseas will probably not be a great option for a while after this all settles. There has even been talk of shutting down the G League for a season, expanding NBA rosters by two. But, we've all got a long way to go before worrying about real basketball games. I'm just hoping for a real football season as long as it's 100% safe. In my own mind, I think that things will start getting back to normal in mid-May. We really need new cases to taper off. Italy may turned the corner a couple of days ago, but deaths are still increasing there, which is another part of the problem. Once you get it under control (which it is not yet here) you still need to give it at least another 2 1/2 weeks to burn itself out. In the meantime, we hope that there is a treatment or a cure, so that we can start to attack the death rate and make sure that hospitals do not get overwhelmed. When the dust settles, I expect COVID-19 to be worse than H1N1, but I doubt that it is as bad as the 1957-58 Asian Flu. No one should go by any data from any other country than our own. Populations, ,medical conditions, facilities, and how deaths are reported completely falsify data from many countries. Italy for example has a patient population that is over 20 years older than the average patient in China, medical facilities and staffing is far from ideal, and the lead medical advisor in Italy stated how they register deaths is not accurate. If any patient dies that has the virus it is listed as the cause of death. And, all the quacks out there tossing out their "data" as predictions are largely irresponsible. The amount of contradictory information and numbers out there show some are just wanting their 15 minutes. The idiot epidemiologist from UW has tossed out #s since day one... 200+ mil infected/500k deaths... until this week stated now 80k deaths in the US by August 4th with specific dates that death rates peak and subside. However, when questioned his 95% assured window was anywhere from 7k to 200k deaths!! Wow, I guessing you do not have to be a trained health expert to toss out those type of figures. There is so much unknown that numbers like that are not only irresponsible in many ways, but meaningless. What do the number of confirmed cases really mean? Those never tested that may carry, those hardly symptomatic that may just have a cold, those not hospitalized, etc. Who knows the numbers as there is no data base for a disease such as this... it's not the flu, it's not a cold. And, the number have ZERO info on those who have fully recovered because there is no way to tell who all had/has it. The only level headed researcher and data I've found is the biophysicist from Furd, Nobel laureate Michael Levitt, who bases his data off hospitalizations and was extremely accurate early on with his number regarding what actually happened in China. I can't find his latest link, but March 23rd article was pretty good base for his ideas... www.yahoo.com/news/why-nobel-laureate-predicts-quicker-210318391.htmlBetween the celebs advertising their infection or routines at home, to all the crackpot idiots out there it's hard to even want to stay abreast of real news. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 27, 2020 16:45:23 GMT -8
I hope the Stanford guy is right.
University of Washington estimates released today have late April as the height of the crisis, with the last deaths on Aug. 4. That is the mean prediction, based on social distancing. Worst case scenarios are obviously later on the calendar.
Let's hope the Stanford guy is more accurate than the UW guy. I think at this point, it's an absolute crapshoot, and between staying home, closes businesses and no Beaver baseball, April is going to really suck.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 30, 2020 14:24:43 GMT -8
In my own mind, I think that things will start getting back to normal in mid-May. We really need new cases to taper off. Italy may turned the corner a couple of days ago, but deaths are still increasing there, which is another part of the problem. Once you get it under control (which it is not yet here) you still need to give it at least another 2 1/2 weeks to burn itself out. In the meantime, we hope that there is a treatment or a cure, so that we can start to attack the death rate and make sure that hospitals do not get overwhelmed. When the dust settles, I expect COVID-19 to be worse than H1N1, but I doubt that it is as bad as the 1957-58 Asian Flu. No one should go by any data from any other country than our own. Populations, ,medical conditions, facilities, and how deaths are reported completely falsify data from many countries. Italy for example has a patient population that is over 20 years older than the average patient in China, medical facilities and staffing is far from ideal, and the lead medical advisor in Italy stated how they register deaths is not accurate. If any patient dies that has the virus it is listed as the cause of death. And, all the quacks out there tossing out their "data" as predictions are largely irresponsible. The amount of contradictory information and numbers out there show some are just wanting their 15 minutes. The idiot epidemiologist from UW has tossed out #s since day one... 200+ mil infected/500k deaths... until this week stated now 80k deaths in the US by August 4th with specific dates that death rates peak and subside. However, when questioned his 95% assured window was anywhere from 7k to 200k deaths!! Wow, I guessing you do not have to be a trained health expert to toss out those type of figures. There is so much unknown that numbers like that are not only irresponsible in many ways, but meaningless. What do the number of confirmed cases really mean? Those never tested that may carry, those hardly symptomatic that may just have a cold, those not hospitalized, etc. Who knows the numbers as there is no data base for a disease such as this... it's not the flu, it's not a cold. And, the number have ZERO info on those who have fully recovered because there is no way to tell who all had/has it. The only level headed researcher and data I've found is the biophysicist from Furd, Nobel laureate Michael Levitt, who bases his data off hospitalizations and was extremely accurate early on with his number regarding what actually happened in China. I can't find his latest link, but March 23rd article was pretty good base for his ideas... www.yahoo.com/news/why-nobel-laureate-predicts-quicker-210318391.htmlBetween the celebs advertising their infection or routines at home, to all the crackpot idiots out there it's hard to even want to stay abreast of real news. Good stuff there. Also good stuff is that the delta of the delta has tapered off in the past four days. In theory, that means that new cases should plateau/taper off soon. Deaths should follow 2-3 weeks thereafter. You may see sports start to come back on line a couple of weeks after that. Probably not to full arenas and stadia at first, but it would be nice to have some sports on the TV again. This, of course, presupposes a nationwide plateau. It is possible that there are a couple of hard-hit areas that take longer to recover. We shall see. |
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Post by bill82 on Mar 31, 2020 18:51:04 GMT -8
Seems logical that a coach that will be fired after his sixth year would finish last in conference.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Apr 1, 2020 0:39:50 GMT -8
Seems logical that a coach that will be fired after his sixth year would finish last in conference. But WT hasn't been (and won't be) fired. And even if he was, then how would he be able to finish last in the conference anyway? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 1, 2020 7:12:31 GMT -8
Seems logical that a coach that will be fired after his sixth year would finish last in conference. But WT hasn't been (and won't be) fired. And even if he was, then how would he be able to finish last in the conference anyway? Wayne Tinkle will very likely be fired after his sixth year, but not immediately after his sixth year. It’s gonna take a minimum of one extra year to happen and could take several more, but eventually he probably will finish last in conference and get canned like just about every other coach in the league. It’s pretty rare for a coach to make it to retirement with the same team for 15 or more years these days. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 1, 2020 7:48:40 GMT -8
Seems logical that a coach that will be fired after his sixth year would finish last in conference. He's already coached here for six seasons. He didn't finish last this past season. And he's not getting fired. |
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Post by blastingsand on Apr 7, 2020 17:42:29 GMT -8
As long as he doesn't finish last for 3 years in a row must be the contract. And even if it happens, if there is a reasonable explanation (injury) he gets a break.
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