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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 25, 2020 10:04:34 GMT -8
Who has done the best coaching job in the conference this season?
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Post by 411500 on Feb 25, 2020 10:13:03 GMT -8
Adia Barnes - good job improving her team defensive play; good job maximizing productivity of Aari McDonald; good job recruiting....
Tara Vanderveer - good job managing her roster talent---she has coached much of the season with 3 starters out with injuries, and her team remains a Top 5 team in National Polls.......
Hopefully, at this time next year, Scott Rueck will be the runaway winner....
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 25, 2020 12:14:51 GMT -8
No CTT?
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 25, 2020 12:18:25 GMT -8
I couldn't allow myself to list CTT. I just don't like how she paints herself and her team as victims. She gets a lot out of her teams year after year. I don't like the type of basketball that CTT encourages. |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Feb 25, 2020 12:26:43 GMT -8
What's the criteria? Exceeding expectations, getting the most out of a roster, winning games?
For me it's down to Barnes and Graves. Oregon was picked to win the conference, but they've absolutely dominated (other than one hiccup @ ASU) a loaded conference.
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Post by 411500 on Feb 25, 2020 12:36:13 GMT -8
Graves has delivered. But face it. He's got a once in a lifetime roster....National POY, # 1 Draft Pick - and two other talented Bigs who will go in the top five of the draft....
Plus he picked up a very solid addition in M. Moore who became an immediate starter on this power-packed roster....
I don't think every coach in the Pac could take this team to a # 3 national ranking, but I'm guessing many of them could......
I'm not inclined to discredit what Coach Graves has done this year....But I don't think what he has done merits COY......
The most impressive things he did this year, in my opinion, is: (1) secure his job, and (2) bring in one of the best recruiting classes in recent history - - anywhere !!
So, long story short, Barnes is my front runner for Pac-12 COY......
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by green85 on Feb 25, 2020 12:42:52 GMT -8
Graves has delivered. But face it. He's got a once in a lifetime roster....National POY, # 1 Draft Pick - and two other talented Bigs who will go in the top five of the draft.... Plus he picked up a very solid addition in M. Moore who became an immediate starter on this power-packed roster.... I don't think every coach in the Pac could take this team to a # 3 national ranking, but I'm guessing many of them could...... I'm not inclined to discredit what Coach Graves has done this year....But I don't think what he has done merits COY...... The most impressive things he did this year, in my opinion, is: (1) secure his job, and (2) bring in one of the best recruiting classes in recent history - - anywhere !! So, long story short, Barnes is my front runner for Pac-12 COY...... GO BEAVS !! Tough to give COY to Graves with that roster. But there has been a change in the UO defense and intensity. That change should be credited to the coaching staff. Still if I had a vote it would not go to Graves. Adia Barnes is probably the best candidate for the COY award. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 25, 2020 13:01:21 GMT -8
Graves has delivered. But face it. He's got a once in a lifetime roster....National POY, # 1 Draft Pick - and two other talented Bigs who will go in the top five of the draft.... Plus he picked up a very solid addition in M. Moore who became an immediate starter on this power-packed roster.... I don't think every coach in the Pac could take this team to a # 3 national ranking, but I'm guessing many of them could...... I'm not inclined to discredit what Coach Graves has done this year....But I don't think what he has done merits COY...... The most impressive things he did this year, in my opinion, is: (1) secure his job, and (2) bring in one of the best recruiting classes in recent history - - anywhere !! So, long story short, Barnes is my front runner for Pac-12 COY...... GO BEAVS !! Tough to give COY to Graves with that roster. But there has been a change in the UO defense and intensity. That change should be credited to the coaching staff. Still if I had a vote it would not go to Graves. Adia Barnes is probably the best candidate for the COY award. I guess I'm confused... coaches don't get credit for meeting high expectations with a loaded roster... that they recruited?? |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 25, 2020 13:09:16 GMT -8
Tough to give COY to Graves with that roster. But there has been a change in the UO defense and intensity. That change should be credited to the coaching staff. Still if I had a vote it would not go to Graves. Adia Barnes is probably the best candidate for the COY award. I guess I'm confused... coaches don't get credit for meeting high expectations with a loaded roster... that they recruited?? Good point. The bar for Graves to overcome is pretty high and he just might do it. I voted for Barnes with Graves as my runner-up. Lots to really like how he has handled his squad, protects his players, and knows when to praise and to push his stars and supporting cast. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 25, 2020 13:16:00 GMT -8
I guess I'm confused... coaches don't get credit for meeting high expectations with a loaded roster... that they recruited?? Good point. The bar for Graves to overcome is pretty high and he just might do it. I voted for Barnes with Graves as my runner-up. Lots to really like how he has handled his squad, protects his players, and knows when to praise and to push his stars and supporting cast. It doesn't matter to me really. Just seems strange you recruit and awesome roster, you coach them up (as no one expected SI and the bunch to be this good), you get super talented players to play together, you rout a team like UConn on the road, you will win the Pac12 regular season for the 3rd straight year... yet only get credit for having a talented roster and you should win? |
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Post by green85 on Feb 25, 2020 14:23:15 GMT -8
Good point. The bar for Graves to overcome is pretty high and he just might do it. I voted for Barnes with Graves as my runner-up. Lots to really like how he has handled his squad, protects his players, and knows when to praise and to push his stars and supporting cast. It doesn't matter to me really. Just seems strange you recruit and awesome roster, you coach them up (as no one expected SI and the bunch to be this good), you get super talented players to play together, you rout a team like UConn on the road, you will win the Pac12 regular season for the 3rd straight year... yet only get credit for having a talented roster and you should win? Kinda gets back to "exceeding expectations". You make a case for how Graves has actually exceeded expectations (UCON win, beating Stanford twice, beating OSU twice, margin of victory in Pac12). And your point about recruiting adds to that. The negative is that Graves has a tendency to keep his starters in too long in blowouts (IMO). But I will say it looks like he has extended the bench a bit more with Shelly, Chavez, Wittenburg, and Giomi (lately). Still, if this was voted after the NCAA tourney it might make a difference in how far Arizona and Oregon go in that tourney. Right now, I lean to Barnes for COY |
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Post by beaverstever on Feb 25, 2020 15:08:18 GMT -8
I think it's Graves by a mile. Having an overwhelmingly talented roster doesn't mean much if they refuse to play defense or operate efficiently on offense.
That said, I'd like to reserve the right to change my mind if they don't win the title. Their losses to UL and ASU showed they were vulnerable to physical teams that pushed them into inefficient offense - if they actually leverage to adapt and find a way to win it all, which I expect they will do, then Graves deserves all the due possible.
How about putting it this way - did Casey show less coaching prowess in 2018 compared to 2006 or 2007? I don't think so ... it's clear the 2018 team couldn't just show up and win it all. More margin for error I guess.
Rueck getting no love this year, lol. Not that I disagree too much - this year hasn't been pretty despite still having a top 20 team. And I have concerns about the spotty production of some very solid players historically, as well as some slower development of the bench players than maybe what we're used to. But one only has to look to Notre Dame and their sparking 11-17 record and realize things can fall apart fast - that is a team having won the NC 2 years ago and was ranked #16 to start the season. OSU was ranked #7 to start the season, has lost 2 starting forwards since and had two more bigs never suit up this season, yet have only dropped 10 spots in their ranking to date. Their worst loss on the season is by 12 points, on the road to highly ranked teams ... all while playing a top 5 SOS schedule. Yes, there's room for improvement, but overall that's still pretty darn impressive by OSU's coaching staff.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Feb 25, 2020 15:49:58 GMT -8
OSU is 2-7 against the top half of the Pac 12 this season. It doesn't matter how many injuries there have been, Rueck can't seriously be in consideration for COY. Arizona St. at 2-6 w/ an upcoming game against Stanford, CTT also can't be considered a legit candidate.
Arizona is 4-4, UCLA 5-2, Stanford 2-3 (w/ 2 more upcoming) and Oregon 8-1.
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Post by beavadelic on Feb 25, 2020 16:09:48 GMT -8
I think it's Graves by a mile. Having an overwhelmingly talented roster doesn't mean much if they refuse to play defense or operate efficiently on offense. That said, I'd like to reserve the right to change my mind if they don't win the title. Their losses to UL and ASU showed they were vulnerable to physical teams that pushed them into inefficient offense - if they actually leverage to adapt and find a way to win it all, which I expect they will do, then Graves deserves all the due possible. How about putting it this way - did Casey show less coaching prowess in 2018 compared to 2006 or 2007? I don't think so ... it's clear the 2018 team couldn't just show up and win it all. More margin for error I guess. Rueck getting no love this year, lol. Not that I disagree too much - this year hasn't been pretty despite still having a top 20 team. And I have concerns about the spotty production of some very solid players historically, as well as some slower development of the bench players than maybe what we're used to. But one only has to look to Notre Dame and their sparking 11-17 record and realize things can fall apart fast - that is a team having won the NC 2 years ago and was ranked #16 to start the season. OSU was ranked #7 to start the season, has lost 2 starting forwards since and had two more bigs never suit up this season, yet have only dropped 10 spots in their ranking to date. Their worst loss on the season is by 12 points, on the road to highly ranked teams ... all while playing a top 5 SOS schedule. Yes, there's room for improvement, but overall that's still pretty darn impressive by OSU's coaching staff. I feel that SR has done a pretty good job of getting his team to battle. Between injury issues and the off-court adversity that was documented earlier, and the inability to finish out games against tough opponents with a ridiculously competitive schedule, it’s just been a rough year. If our most disappointing season in terms of pre-season expectations involves discussions of “only” being a 5 or 6 seed in the NCAA tourney tells me that SR consistently has coached them up, including this year. Coaches are responsible to bring in the talent, and all of the top 6 in our conference have done that. They’re charged with developing that talent, they all have done that. They are expected to prepare that talent and give them the best chance to win, and every coach in that group has done a good job with that, including SR. Even though some question decisions regarding playing time or who starts or whether strategy should have been adjusted differently given the aforementioned setbacks that we’ve faced. Nobody is questioning that we have a really good coach. He didn’t stop being really good. Graves has a loaded team, one that we have to admire. He recruited them and has done about as much as anyone could expect with them so far. Wouldn’t surprise me to see them hoist the NC trophy in 5 or 6 weeks at all. My vote would be for Barnes simply because UA has made the most progress in 2 years. They were about an automatic W for everyone just a couple of years ago, and they are every bit as tough as us of UCLA or ASU at this point. It’s got Barnes’ name written all over it. While Graves (rightfully) took advantage of $$ and facilities and promised starting spots to 8 players simultaneously to build a super roster, Barnes returned to the school that she started for, and resurrected a stale program that had closed off several sections of McHale that had previously been used when they were good in the past. Those seats are being offered again and she has quickly built a scary program. For that reason, I feel she gets the nod. Graves has done great, and Tara always will because she’s a top 5 coach with a top 5 program, but the serious exceeding of expectations in this nasty conference is what does it for me. |
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Post by billsaab on Feb 25, 2020 16:10:54 GMT -8
I do not like Fraves or anything about them. Saying that COY is Graves. They are special. I disagree that they are a one Year deal. They have recruited far better than us. We must step it up or get buried.
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