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Post by orange123 on Feb 22, 2020 9:39:17 GMT -8
Can someone explain why Tudor is always in the corner and is very, very seldom passed to and why Goodman only played 18 minutes and didn’t take a shot. The offense is so stagnant!
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Post by standerd on Feb 22, 2020 9:50:44 GMT -8
Can someone explain why Tudor is always in the corner and is very, very seldom passed to and why Goodman only played 18 minutes and didn’t take a shot. The offense is so stagnant! Good question...and Slocum takes 22 in Stanford game, twice as many as the next player. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 22, 2020 9:55:37 GMT -8
Can someone explain why Tudor is always in the corner and is very, very seldom passed to and why Goodman only played 18 minutes and didn’t take a shot. The offense is so stagnant! In the OSU offense for at least the past 5 seasons (and maybe longer), at least one player seems to be situated in the corner to space the defense. Sometimes, players are in both corners. That appears to be a preference of the head coach in order to try to make the offense a 3v3 game so that one or two opposing defenders can't leave their defensive assignments and help on defense. Anybody else care to guess why we station one or two players in the corners other than to space the opposing defense? |
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Post by norm on Feb 22, 2020 10:25:31 GMT -8
I don’t recall Rueck running any sets for either of them last night. He basically had them stand in the corners. In addition to taking a couple of potential scorers out of the offense, which they desperately need, they are very easy to defend and require Williams to not expend any energy on that end of the court.
As somebody mentioned earlier, it appears Rueck feels like the 3 player game gives them the best chance to win.
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Post by blastingsand on Feb 22, 2020 10:32:10 GMT -8
They went from swaggers in career high civil war games to this...  |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 22, 2020 10:34:21 GMT -8
There were fewer turnovers anyway.
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Post by standerd on Feb 22, 2020 10:36:54 GMT -8
I don’t recall Rueck running any sets for either of them last night. He basically had them stand in the corners. In addition to taking a couple of potential scorers out of the offense, which they desperately need, they are very easy to defend and require Williams to not expend any energy on that end of the court. As somebody mentioned earlier, it appears Rueck feels like the 3 player game gives them the best chance to win. Which doesn't appear to be working out. We need more scorers. All of Stanford's players scored last night. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Feb 22, 2020 10:59:43 GMT -8
I can't explain why Scott sticks them in the corner, but he's been doing it for years. I noticed it when Katie was a freshman, and not as involved in the offense as I had anticipated she would be.
Then again, over 4 years with Katie in the corner, the team won 115 games, so it can't be all bad. Don't lose track of the fact that these are not the players that were expected to be at those positions for significant portions of the game, and it's pretty hard to put in a new offense at this juncture.
I'm not one to second guess the coaching staff when we hit a rough patch. We'll get through this and get back on track at some point.
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Post by orange123 on Feb 22, 2020 11:14:33 GMT -8
I don’t recall Rueck running any sets for either of them last night. He basically had them stand in the corners. In addition to taking a couple of potential scorers out of the offense, which they desperately need, they are very easy to defend and require Williams to not expend any energy on that end of the court. As somebody mentioned earlier, it appears Rueck feels like the 3 player game gives them the best chance to win. That is what doesn’t make sense. I think they need scoring out of those two to possibly win another game. You talk about Williams saving energy, that is exactly right. A player standing in the corner isn’t too hard to defend. At this point I think it’s time to just cut loose and let those two shooters just start putting them up! The way the two Washington schools played last night, I wonder if we can even beat them next weekend. Go Beavs! |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 22, 2020 11:28:56 GMT -8
I can't explain why Scott sticks them in the corner, but he's been doing it for years. I noticed it when Katie was a freshman, and not as involved in the offense as I had anticipated she would be. Then again, over 4 years with Katie in the corner, the team won 115 games, so it can't be all bad. Don't lose track of the fact that these are not the players that were expected to be at those positions for significant portions of the game, and it's pretty hard to put in a new offense at this juncture. I'm not one to second guess the coaching staff when we hit a rough patch. We'll get through this and get back on track at some point. I'll add this not as criticism, but as observations of almost every coach from HS on up. After 8-10 seasons you best be reinventing yourself and style. At least some major tweaks/adjustments... in style and maybe in filling the roster?! At the D1/Pac12 level scouting and recruiting at the top is so very good that becoming stagnant catches up in a hurry. Scott has had major successes with his style and his "type" of player. I don't know if there was ever a thought of Destiny not being part of the OSU program, but she was definitely a different type of PG/player in being more ball dominate. Again part of all our observations come from a perceived lack of success to the previous standards. But, as I stated in the preseason when I thought OSU would fight for the 3-5 spots, OSU is in a bit of a reload/retooling in both youth and maybe a bit in style of play. At times Scott seems very uncomfortable with how we play. I'm not sure he has quite reconciled how to mesh more ball dominate players into his more team oriented style. In either case SR will need to mesh and adjust while staying true to what he believes in. This season is pretty much what I thought it would be. A ceiling of 3rd place and home for 2 NCAA games, and E8. Or, 5th or so in Pac12, and traveling for 2 with Rd of 32 as the ceiling. With the injuries it pretty much assure the former was going to be tough to achieve. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 22, 2020 13:23:02 GMT -8
I think that Coach Rueck and his assistants are trying to do what they can to adjust on the fly against many of the top teams in the country. You can tell by watching some of the interactions with the coaches caught by television last night that the coaches are barking at certain players. I saw it last night on two separate occasions when an assistant seemed to be angrily making a point. I recognize that losing does things to people who aren't used to it. Frustrations are evident for all associated with the program right now.
Word on the Stanford message board was that the technical was called on the OSU bench and likely on Brian Holsinger. The timing of that tech was curious because Belibi had just been called for a foul on Jones and it was OSU ball. Probably not the best time for the OSU bench to be complaining about anything. I can tell you that the Stanford message Board views OSU as a borderline dirty team that uses elbows and overly aggressive play. All fan bases see what they want to see.
Once again, showing displeasure with the refs isn't gaining the Beavs anything. Playing through calls and noncalls is what the players need to do. I thought that the players did so last night.
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Post by osu82 on Feb 22, 2020 14:39:49 GMT -8
Can someone explain why Tudor is always in the corner and is very, very seldom passed to and why Goodman only played 18 minutes and didn’t take a shot. The offense is so stagnant! I watched one offensive possession where Tudor went to the corner and stood there for the full possession and literally didn't move, not even 2 inches left or right. The ball never came close to her. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 22, 2020 15:08:16 GMT -8
Can someone explain why Tudor is always in the corner and is very, very seldom passed to and why Goodman only played 18 minutes and didn’t take a shot. The offense is so stagnant! I watched one offensive possession where Tudor went to the corner and stood there for the full possession and literally didn't move, not even 2 inches left or right. The ball never came close to her. I think that is what the spacer/shooter is supposed to do in that OSU set. McWilliams was often used in that role. Pivec still is used in that role on occasion. I would imagine that playing that role is somewhat limiting for whoever is "placed in the corner." |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 22, 2020 16:08:03 GMT -8
The corner person is always someone who can shoot the three. Keeps the defender trapped there while the Beav's try to run an offensive set with fewer defenders clogging things up. Teams have been double teaming Jones, so pulling people out allows her more of a chance to go one to one.
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Post by orange123 on Feb 22, 2020 16:10:49 GMT -8
I watched one offensive possession where Tudor went to the corner and stood there for the full possession and literally didn't move, not even 2 inches left or right. The ball never came close to her. I think that is what the spacer/shooter is supposed to do in that OSU set. McWilliams was often used in that role. Pivec still is used in that role on occasion. I would imagine that playing that role is somewhat limiting for whoever is "placed in the corner." If that is the philosophy, why waste Tudor in that corner? I’m just trying to figure this out. |
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