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Post by 411500 on Feb 18, 2020 10:45:04 GMT -8
"Turnovers would actually be reduced if we played a more attacking style that puts defenses back on their heels."
An attacking style requires players who have the skills to attack the basket effectively and successfully....Among our top 6 players we have two players who have demonstrated in real game situations that they can actually do this - - Slocum and Pivec.
Tudor, Goodman, Washington, Brown, Jones have not as yet demonstrated that they are able to effectively and consistently attack the basket.
What you are suggesting is a bit like asking a pitcher who has an 88 mph fastball to start throwing a 98 mph fast ball. It might be desirable, it might improve his ERA, but it's simply not do-able with his arm strength.
Shifting gears slightly: A lot of talk recently has focussed on Rueck needing more athletic players.
What he really needs are players who can attack the basket, dribble penetrate to the rim, and score.
As I have been writing here since November, Tudor and Goodman are excellent 3-point shooters when squared up - but neither can dribble penetrate (attack) effectively. Hence, they are easier to check. Easier to shut down than a shooter who can blow by her check on the dribble.....
Osborne (UCLA) and Rogers (USC) are frosh who will be stars in this conference because they can do both - nail the 3 and blow by their defender.....
The Beavs best shot at signing this kind of a player recently has been Hailey van Lith.....
Without dramatic improvement in current skill set, next year the Beavs will have one player who can effectively attack the basket: Slocum.
Jas will be working all summer on this (I presume) but that's it....
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by billsaab on Feb 18, 2020 12:08:00 GMT -8
When we are pressed we should go to the hole .They will foul or we will score. Ralph’s teams could do it sometimes without ball touching floor. Not really any issue with what You stated. When the Ball stops things go south. Maddie stands with it and passes it off. Too bad She is not a deep threat. Not a dribbler either. Really liked what Pivic and Destiny did. The Turnovers and missed shots at free throw line were the difference. Not so much the refs which will never get better.
Why would any one officiate with all the guff they get. This starts at youth level and explains the small pool of people that advance or aspire to be Refs. We would like to straighten them out. Same thing at baseball games in Surprise. Small strike zone or shifting one. I was behind home and it was frustrating for Me. The guys to my right or left could not tell whether ball crossed the plate or not but made comments all game.
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Post by shelby on Feb 18, 2020 12:31:46 GMT -8
I think the best points are regarding the quickness and the way we are defenses by the teams that have exceptional quickness and length. Almost seems like it is 6 on 5 for certain sets. We seem to freeze, quit looking for a shot, then over- pass into an area that has already established a defensive wall. We need to do more pressing, ourselves, on defense. We never cover the inbounds passes.
I could only watch the second half, however, I don't think. I saw ANYONE shoot a three in the second half , except Jazz ( one make, one miss ). She is good, but Kat, Aleah , and Mik and Destiny shouldn't just shut down. Meanwhile they were hitting 3's every time down the floor .
I will also go back to the short bench . Our only real option, once Jones fouled out - was Morris - never saw her in the game.
Oh well - expected some losses and rebuild due to the youth of our bigs , and all of the injuries . But, we seem to come unglued with pressure at the end of the game .
Go Beavers - I am still 110 % behind them , but would like to see the team rewarded for all of their hard work !
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 18, 2020 12:51:51 GMT -8
"Turnovers would actually be reduced if we played a more attacking style that puts defenses back on their heels." An attacking style requires players who have the skills to attack the basket effectively and successfully....Among our top 6 players we have two players who have demonstrated in real game situations that they can actually do this - - Slocum and Pivec. Tudor, Goodman, Washington, Brown, Jones have not as yet demonstrated that they are able to effectively and consistently attack the basket. What you are suggesting is a bit like asking a pitcher who has an 88 mph fastball to start throwing a 98 mph fast ball. It might be desirable, it might improve his ERA, but it's simply not do-able with his arm strength. Shifting gears slightly: A lot of talk recently has focussed on Rueck needing more athletic players. What he really needs are players who can attack the basket, dribble penetrate to the rim, and score. As I have been writing here since November, Tudor and Goodman are excellent 3-point shooters when squared up - but neither can dribble penetrate (attack) effectively. Hence, they are easier to check. Easier to shut down than a shooter who can blow by her check on the dribble..... Osborne (UCLA) and Rogers (USC) are frosh who will be stars in this conference because they can do both - nail the 3 and blow by their defender..... The Beavs best shot at signing this kind of a player recently has been Hailey van Lith..... Without dramatic improvement in current skill set, next year the Beavs will have one player who can effectively attack the basket: Slocum. Jas will be working all summer on this (I presume) but that's it.... GO BEAVS !! Most teams only have 2-3 players who can effectively dribble and attack the paint on a consistent basis. As you have noted, the Beavs have two who have demonstrated an ability to do so consistently. Perhaps the two incoming frosh will be able to do so next season. Until then, our drivers will need to continue to attack and keep their dribbles alive in order to create open shots for themselves and their teammates. Dribbling and then holding the ball without passing or shooting is a death sentence for the offense. We saw plenty of that last night and have throughout the season. |
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Post by shelby on Feb 18, 2020 13:53:48 GMT -8
They dribble into coverage, then have no outlet pass options and are unable to shoot . Seems to be a shortage of help with everyone standing still, when the ball handler/ shooter is trapped .
There were several 'great' individual moves to the hoop, but we were not getting and ones. Mik, as usual, played her heart out .
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Post by bvrbooster on Feb 18, 2020 16:37:55 GMT -8
I am fairly certain that few offensive sets are designed with the idea that Maddie should have the ball in her hands somewhere around the free throw line or beyond with 6 seconds on the clock, but we seem to have seen a that fairly frquently of late - doesn't normally turn out too well.
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Post by willtalk on Feb 18, 2020 17:52:03 GMT -8
There used to be an old adage when your offense is facing pressure: "Fake a pass, to make a Pass." Very true. We don't fake our passes enough, especially before we have used our dribble. Our grind it out halfcourt sets allow defenses to get right up in our jerseys and lead to turnovers. OSU offensive schemes contribute to defenses gambling for steals against us. Turnovers would actually be reduced if we played a more attacking style that puts defenses back on their heels. Have you even been watching the games. The problem is the don't move the ball without the dribble. You create ball movement with smart passing. The problem is that the ball handlers are always trying to attack the basket off the dribble and they get themselves into bad situations. As I stated Slocum played really good ball to start this season but then regressed when she quit trying to create for others. Now we have the two primary ball handlers constantly attempting to attack the basket off the dribble instead of taking what the defense gives you and sometimes using dribble drive to draw defenders for kick outs and assist. Oregon St used to have more assists than they do now. Passing around the perimeter forces the defense to shift and adjust creating open lanes for passes and drives to the basket. Just attacking the basket off the dribble puts them into double teams that make shots and passes difficult which results in turnovers. As to the defense being set up to created difficult shots at the trade off of steals- that too is a thing of the past. UCLA made their comeback run by getting a number of wide open outside open looks. If you watch you will see the entire defense bunched up in the paint and an open shooter on the perimeter until one defender decides to jump out much too late to challenge the shot. Sometimes no one even jumped out. Who's assignment that was is a mystery because it wasn't always the player who did jump out. There are constant defensive breakdown because and that combined with players not willing to challenge every shot results in open looks for the other team. There is a reason for the differentiation between PG, SG. Wing, PF and Center. The have different primary roles on the team for it to operate effectively. What the team has regressed too is pick up ball. But then again that is what you are promoting. There is also no player leadership to keep the team focused on team play. No one is held accountable and those responsible just do their own thing. This nice girl everyone gets along also can have negative consequences and it is manifesting on this team in a lack of focus. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 18, 2020 18:17:59 GMT -8
Yes. I have seen every game that the Beavs have played this season either in person or via streaming. Willtalk doesn't care for Slocum's play this season and believes her play has regressed. Willtalk doesn't seem to approve of point guards that score as a primary option for their teams.
I think Slocum has to look to both score and assist on this team because she can break down opposing defenses off the dribble. I have advocated all year for quicker passing to make opposing defenses adjust. However, that doesn't appear to be the focus of many of the team's offensive sets.
The Beavs utilize a lot of screening and double screens to free up shooters away from the basket. They also will back screen for the 5 and look to lob to the paint. They have been doing so for years. The point guard often has to keep her dribble alive against tight pressure when the screening takes place.
Slocum has to look to score when the defense overplays her and attack with her dribble to create shots for herself and her teammates. I don't believe she is neglecting her teammates when she drives. She has kicked the ball out to her teammates off the dribble to get them open shots throughout the season.
Perhaps I am a little protective of Slocum because I know that she consistently gives good effort, praises her teammates and coaches through the media, and celebrates their successes together as a team. She shows leadership as a captain on and off the floor.
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Post by lotrader on Feb 18, 2020 18:25:58 GMT -8
Many turnovers are a result of "picking up your dribble". Once you pick up your dribble, here comes the double team, or, defender gets up in your grill and you have nowhere to go. How many times did it happen in the UCLA game? Players have to be able to shield the ball from their defender and keep their dribble alive. Picking up your dribble is a basketball "sin", just like "giving up the baseline" when defending.
I'll never understand how a team as skilled as the OSU WBB team can have so many players that cannot protect the ball and keep their dribble alive. All OSU coaches have to do, is pull out some film of Gary Payton, and drill this into their practices.
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