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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 1, 2020 18:30:44 GMT -8
in her last three games. Getting her back on track gives this team a huge shot in the arm.
Great to see Kat score an efficient 16 points today as well.
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Post by norm on Feb 1, 2020 19:05:33 GMT -8
Aleah is again ranked in the top 15 in the nation, top 3 in the pac 12, and OSU’s all time leader in 3 point shooting percentage.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 1, 2020 19:20:43 GMT -8
Aleah is again ranked in the top 15 in the nation, top 3 in the pac 12, and OSU’s all time leader in 3 point shooting percentage. That is why it was so surprising that she would be in a prolonged shooting slump for about 10 games. Goodman started the season on fire from distance during the WNIT Preseason Tournament and has now returned to elite shooter status. If both Goodman and Tudor can shoot 40%+ from distance with consistency going forward, the team's scoring droughts should be lessened. The burden on Pivec, Slocum, and Jones to score consistently will be lightened if our two most prolific catch-and-shoot specialists can be what they have been throughout their collegiate careers. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Feb 1, 2020 21:00:21 GMT -8
Aleah is again ranked in the top 15 in the nation, top 3 in the pac 12, and OSU’s all time leader in 3 point shooting percentage. That is why it was so surprising that she would be in a prolonged shooting slump for about 10 games. Goodman started the season on fire from distance during the WNIT Preseason Tournament and has now returned to elite shooter status. If both Goodman and Tudor can shoot 40%+ from distance with consistency going forward, the team's scoring droughts should be lessened. The burden on Pivec, Slocum, and Jones to score consistently will be lightened if our two most prolific catch-and-shoot specialists can be what they have been throughout their collegiate careers. Team was 45% on 3's today, which is very, very good - point production-wise, it's equivalent to shooting 67.5% from inside the arc. You're going to win a lot of games doing that. Case in point - Arizona State. We shot 10% on 3's in that game. Had we managed 25%, we would have won. But both Kat and Aleah seem to have shot their way out of their 3 point doldrums, and I like our chances next weekend. |
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Post by 411500 on Feb 2, 2020 8:55:03 GMT -8
I'll add my 2 cents worth one more time.....
My view is that Aleah and Kat's shooting percentage has taken a big hit - as everyone knowns....However, I do not believe it is because they are in a shooting slump.
It is because defenses are pressuring them more, playing them tighter than ever. Neither of them shoot well against tight pressure defenses...Neither of them are good at creating daylight to nail the open shots they are so good at.
A strong shooting weekend against Colorado & Utah doesn't mean they have broken out of any "slump" - it just shows how well they can shoot against a non-pressure D.....
Now, if they shoot well against Arizona and ASU this weekend they will have shown they can shoot well against pressure D....
I truly hope they do....I'm 100% behind these girls. I'm flying in for the Arizona games then headed down to LA for the USC & UCLA games....So, as much as anyone I'm hoping to see Kat and Aleah nail 3 after 3 after 3....
But to confuse a shooting slump, with the pressure D that causes it, is to totally mis-diagnose the situation....
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by shelby on Feb 2, 2020 9:40:32 GMT -8
Hurt the other team from the inside , then set up some effective kick outs for three pointers !
The offensive sets have to create Space, and with effective movement and the ability to catch and shoot - these girls can hit from anywhere.
An example was Mikayla's full court swish rom the opposite baseline . She was open, had space, and nailed it ! Of course, that is not the best example - but just had to bring Magical Mik into the conversation.
Seems like Slocum should be discussed as well !
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 2, 2020 10:08:50 GMT -8
I'll add my 2 cents worth one more time..... My view is that Aleah and Kat's shooting percentage has taken a big hit - as everyone knowns....However, I do not believe it is because they are in a shooting slump. It is because defenses are pressuring them more, playing them tighter than ever. Neither of them shoot well against tight pressure defenses...Neither of them are good at creating daylight to nail the open shots they are so good at. A strong shooting weekend against Colorado & Utah doesn't mean they have broken out of any "slump" - it just shows how well they can shoot against a non-pressure D..... Now, if they shoot well against Arizona and ASU this weekend they will have shown they can shoot well against pressure D.... I truly hope they do....I'm 100% behind these girls. I'm flying in for the Arizona games then headed down to LA for the USC & UCLA games....So, as much as anyone I'm hoping to see Kat and Aleah nail 3 after 3 after 3.... But to confuse a shooting slump, with the pressure D that causes it, is to totally mis-diagnose the situation.... GO BEAVS !! I appreciate your huge support in following the team. Either a shooter makes a shot or he/she misses, regardless of the reason(s) why the shot was or wasn't successful. The team's top players will face double teams and the opponent's top defenders guarding them. Sometimes, a player will be fouled on a shot but it won't be called by the officials. The bottom line is whether the shot is made. If you are shooting less than 35% over an extended period of time, you are in shooting slump. Factors such as defensive pressure or tight defense are assumed. Scouting reports will certainly force Goodman and Tudor to drive whenever possible. They are now used to that and will face that challenge the rest of their careers. |
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Post by 411500 on Feb 2, 2020 11:53:03 GMT -8
Let's try a hypothetical. For the fun of it.
Fred is a baseball player who's hitting .400. He's amazing.
Film analysis reveals that 90% of his hits come off breaking balls.
Also discovers he has a terrible weakness when it comes to hitting an inside fast ball.
Opposing coaches adjust and now he gets nothing but inside fast balls - and his batting average drops to .215
Is he in a slump? No, he's not. He just can't hit an inside fast ball.
Now he goes on a road trip to Utah and gets nothing but curve balls and hits .550.
Is he out of his slump? No, because when he faces a pitcher who gives him a steady diet of inside fast balls he drops back to .215
He's out of his "slump" when he learns to hit the inside fast ball. Not a minute before - no matter what he did in Utah against a curve ball pitcher who has no inside fast ball.....
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GO BEAVS !!
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 2, 2020 12:14:43 GMT -8
I believe that your Fred in the above scenario is in a slump if he is hitting .215 for an extended (5+ games) period of time, regardless of whether he was batting against all of the top pitchers in the league and/or playing through an injury.
All athletes experience some level of "slump" in which they do not perform near their historic averages. If you don't produce the expected results that you have achieved over time, I believe you are in a slump, regardless of the reasons why.
We can try to explain or offer excuses for the reason(s) for the loss of production, but in the results-based sport of basketball, slumps are common and simply indicate that the athlete is not achieving the results that we expect of him/her.
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Post by 411500 on Feb 2, 2020 12:40:04 GMT -8
Fair enough, I hear what you're saying....
However, it sure makes it a lot harder for a shooter to get out of her slump if you don't know what causes it....
From a coaches point of view it makes it much harder to know what to work on, what to correct, what to avoid when you believe that a shooter's percentage drop is just "a slump."
Obviously, I'm not at practice - but you can bet coach is not having Aleah & Kat work on hitting their open 3. They've got that mastered. It's their version of what the curve ball is to Fred.
Coach likely has got them working on how to better create space, how to have teammates help them separate, how to use screens better, how to shoot while feeling body contact.
Kat and Aleah's slump is not because they can't shoot. They are both premiere shooters under the right conditions. Their problem is they can't shoot against a quality pressure D that cheats out toward them.
This weekend we will be able to see for ourselves if they have learned to hit the inside fast ball.....If they haven't it's not because they are in a slump. It's because they can't hit the inside fast ball....
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by norm on Feb 2, 2020 13:26:42 GMT -8
Nobody in women’s college basketball shoots well against pressure defense.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 2, 2020 13:48:29 GMT -8
Fair enough, I hear what you're saying.... However, it sure makes it a lot harder for a shooter to get out of her slump if you don't know what causes it.... From a coaches point of view it makes it much harder to know what to work on, what to correct, what to avoid when you believe that a shooter's percentage drop is just "a slump." Obviously, I'm not at practice - but you can bet coach is not having Aleah & Kat work on hitting their open 3. They've got that mastered. It's their version of what the curve ball is to Fred. Coach likely has got them working on how to better create space, how to have teammates help them separate, how to use screens better, how to shoot while feeling body contact. Kat and Aleah's slump is not because they can't shoot. They are both premiere shooters under the right conditions. Their problem is they can't shoot against a quality pressure D that cheats out toward them. This weekend we will be able to see for ourselves if they have learned to hit the inside fast ball.....If they haven't it's not because they are in a slump. It's because they can't hit the inside fast ball.... GO BEAVS !! Having heard stories of how much extra time both Kat and Aleah have put into becoming elite shooters, you can bet that the two teammates have continued to get extra shots up in Gill and the practice facility throughout their shooting woes. That is what shooters do to reinforce to themselves that they can convert a high percentage of shots regardless of the level of defense. The OSU coaches must believe that if the team executes the offense appropriately (like you have noted above), then the team's best shooters will have time to get their shot off despite tight pressure defense. Tight pressure defense is what teams do to OSU's best shooters because they know that good shooters are often bothered by it. That is why OSU needs to drive and get the ball inside to Taylor Jones on occasion to ensure that the offense isn't too one-dimensional by settling for the trifecta too much of the time. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 2, 2020 13:54:30 GMT -8
Nobody in women’s college basketball shoots well against pressure defense. True. All the more reason to drive and go backdoor to get pressuring teams into foul trouble and get OSU to the free throw line. Opposing defenses will continue to pressure until a team punishes them for pressuring. The last few minutes of the Utah game are a classic example of how a pressuring team took advantage of OSU and was not punished for gambling and being aggressive. |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 2, 2020 14:17:36 GMT -8
You just had to bring up free throws (sigh).
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 2, 2020 14:26:55 GMT -8
Aleah corrected herself in one of her interviews. After saying she's been practicing her 3 point shot's, she changed it to, she's been practicing her shots at game speed.
It's obvious who you are playing against will change your ability to shoot, but at the same time it seems obvious to me that people do go through shooting slumps. You get into bad habits, you start doubting yourself, small injuries lead you to changing your shot, etc.
And again, Aleah herself admitted that she had begun to doubt herself.
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